Newbie 1828: Utopia! - Game Over!

[Porkens]

Here's another game:

Assuming I'm town, why do I do the things I do?

Assuming I'm scum, why do I do the things I do?

[Nauci]

Gorny I don't understand your reads *at all*.

Porkens isn't even the one who began the bp claim game. Or asked for it.

IIRC he and I were against it.

[Nauci]

Dude it was after 2 AM and I put the phone down and went to sleep. It seems like you're going from person to person trying to put pressure on them, either by way of votes and saying you will put them to L-1 to see what happens or you put up a game or point out something about someone and then vote. If and when someone also votes the same you then unvote and react.

...isn't that standard scum hunting procedure?!?

[Gorny]

To me, this is what "over defensive" looks like.

8f you all want to do the BP thing, it's fine by me

Sure it does.

How could I already know anything, btw?

Why the misquote?

Answer: We all know as soon as one town claims, scum know the setup based on what roles they were assigned and you have been doing a lot of fishing this game both by way of your mini games (tbh, this is the first time I've seen anything like that, no other IC has done anything like it), and also by way of your poking people by voting them and seeing what might happen if other people also vote.

All in all it seems like you're looking for something, doesn't it?

Yes, I am looking...

Spoiler:

for scum

Aren't we all?

[Gorny]

To me, this is what "over defensive" looks like.

8f you all want to do the BP thing, it's fine by me

Sure it does.

How could I already know anything, btw?

Why the misquote?

Answer: We all know as soon as one town claims, scum know the setup based on what roles they were assigned and you have been doing a lot of fishing this game both by way of your mini games (tbh, this is the first time I've seen anything like that, no other IC has done anything like it), and also by way of your poking people by voting them and seeing what might happen if other people also vote.

All in all it seems like you're looking for something, doesn't it?

You don't consider the possibility that town would fake claim BP?

Anything's possible.

[Gorny]

Here's another game:

Assuming I'm town, why do I do the things I do?

Assuming I'm scum, why do I do the things I do?

As I

A) am not a mind reader

B) never played with you before

I can't answer this questiond

[Porkens]

I believe his claim. Do you?

[Gorny]

Gorny I don't understand your reads *at all*.

Porkens isn't even the one who began the bp claim game. Or asked for it.

IIRC he and I were against it.

I never said Porkens started it. Don't make stuff up.

Also, if you don't understand, I can't make it and clearer. I don't have an English to Nauci translator so you'll have to wing it.

[Gorny]

I believe his claim. Do you?

I don't have a reason not to. He hasn't lied or intentionally omitted something (for example like Noodle did), or done anything scum worthy that would cause me *not* to believe him.

[Aristophanes]

:O
Is McMeemo here?

[northsidegal]

it doesn't change my current read on gorny but i can definitely see the argument he's making - the specific strategy of running people up to l-1 to get reactions could also be motivated by trying to get as many claims as possible. i don't necessarily think that's what porkens was trying to do this game but it's not entirely illogical to suggest.

also, i don't think anyone here is bad enough to fake claim bulletproof as town. while it might throw scum off as to the true setup, it would rely on the idea that any of the real prs that could counterclaim wouldn't. all that would really end up happening would be a vt getting lynched and a pr getting outed. maybe there's some crazy gambit that instawins the game for town but i really don't see it.

[Nauci]

Has anyone played with gorny enough to tell me if he's normally so aggressive with his posts?

[Nauci]

Apologies for the temporary change in avatar; was making a joke in another thread.

[Porkens]

Not a game thread tho, correct?

[Nauci]

Does it matter?

[Aristophanes]

Does it matter?

In the context of "don't talk about ongiong games," yes. But if you werent asked the question it would not matter, so...no?

[Porkens]

ill pm the mod in the future.

Now let's get back into the fun.

WHO SHOULD WE KILL TODAY?

[darrenwoodward10]

I thought Aristo had a change of heart after I said I'm keeping my vote on him but he's literally done absolutely zero scumhunting since then. Everyone else keeps changing my reads list and I'm trying to get my reads straight.

[darrenwoodward10]

On my reads list*

[darrenwoodward10]

ill pm the mod in the future.

Now let's get back into the fun.

WHO SHOULD WE KILL TODAY?

I don't want to rush things and I really don't see why you would want to either

[Nauci]

ill pm the mod in the future.

Now let's get back into the fun.

WHO SHOULD WE KILL TODAY?

I don't want to rush things and I really don't see why you would want to either

I think that there's diminishing returns on what we can suss out on D1. Letting the conversation bake just gives scum more time to coordinate and sow seeds of doubt, while not necessarily improving town's guessing game at all.

The only thing I'm somewhat willing to wait for is Noodle posts, because Ari has had every chance to show us his cards.

[Nauci]

ill pm the mod in the future.

Now let's get back into the fun.

WHO SHOULD WE KILL TODAY?

To actually answer your question...

I'm pretty sure I'd have no qualms lunching Gorny based on his interactions with you, and my only reservation is if I'm unfairly biased against him because of his interactions with me. I think at best though, he's not the most useful town, mostly posting aggressively defensively.

[Nauci]

Although I may reconsider that.

Since striking up beef with me he's made solid scum hunting posts on me, and you as well! Though they were oddly aggressively retaliatory for standard checking under rocks posts.

[Nauci]

Answer: We all know as soon as one town claims, scum know the setup based on what roles they were assigned and you have been doing a lot of fishing this game both by way of your mini games (tbh, this is the first time I've seen anything like that, no other IC has done anything like it), and also by way of your poking people by voting them and seeing what might happen if other people also vote.

All in all it seems like you're looking for something, doesn't it?

How did his original mini game scumfish? What other mini game(s) did he do?

[Inferno390]

Alright, so after looking back through Acid, Porkens, and Aris in ISO, here's what I'm noticing.

Porkens is insistent that Acid has done more scumreading than Aris. This, quite simply is nonsense. Not only has Acid and Aris had almost the same number of posts, but most of Acid's post are nothing. Just, there's nothing to them at all. Acid has done little to no scumreading while looking active. And what scumreading she HAS done is broken up, unrelated, and is never followed up on.

Porkens, other than a few posts, hasn't really done much. He talks about "poking Noodle/Gorny" and "let's shake this tree a little bit," but then never follows up, almost acting like he expects other people to do his work for him... and then will jump on the wagon once they do. Seems fishy.

This:

1. Ok, but this isn't live mafia, you can wait a while to post. Everyone has a life. It's not weird to only post a couple times a day. So, you have time to purge those emotions, and post calmly and without "panic". So assume scum know this. And they will not be overly defensive. That's just my advice

Yet Porkens is complaining about Aris posting hardly at all.

I'm getting a feeling like Porkens is hitting some questions and looking like he's scumhunting, but again, never following up on his questions.

Porkens (and to a lesser extent, Acid) are putting a lot of emphasis on these "minigames," which the first feels more like a distraction tactic more than anything. I'm not sure why we had to bring the first game up almost 200 posts after Porkens first suggested it.

Porkens talks about how Aris has "never scumhunted," but then never explains why he thinks that...?

I theorize that Porkens is scum, he "tries to help me build my case," and then a few posts later, he blows up and accuses me of being scum. He's never explained why he did that though.

A couple incidents of AtE from Porkens.

I feel kind of bad putting so much time into Porkens without giving hardly any to Acid, but to be honest, there's very little to work with for Acid in the first place. And that makes me stop and think for a minute. Why does Porkens has all of this that I'm reading through, while I've literally had to skip over 2/3 of Acid's post because there's nothing in them?

I'm not going to lie, Porkens does a good job trying to read me in post 346. But he never actually follows it up after post 383. Because I don't give him a way to follow it up? Or another reason...?

Porkens does some hopping back and forth between Aris and Gorny/me. And he never really solidifies his claims. Odd...

I feel like me starting BP totally threw off Porkens Like, he was trying to get people to be read as scum, but one of them started BP and the other claimed it, and there's been no counterclaims yet...
Feels to me like I totally screwed up his "scumreading" plan to get a mislynch, honestly.

Okay, now to Aris:

First thing to note is that Aris uses

a lot

of emojis.

There is the point in RVS where Aris tries to read me for my vote. I like that.

Aris has been very relaxed in all of his posts, and I kind of get the feeling that he's doing some private scumreading throughout the game that he's not telling us about.

HE does ACT like he's reading Porkens in post 379, but it seems pretty off. Hmm....

Post 460, Aris does a very good job hitting old points and scumreading. All in all, he seems pretty honest.

Not much after that, but still feel pretty honest.

After meditation on these posts, I conclude that

ACID feels like she has not contributed at all to this game. Posts seem a little spammy. I think she is

scum.

Porkens does not seem to be following up any of his "reads" and has been pretty strong on the Aris=scum front, but with out a real argument (Aris has definitely contributed more than Acid.) But he also has been pretty active and looks like he is at least trying to scumread. So I am

Leaning towards scum.

ARIS seems pretty honest and relaed about this game. ANd he has done some contributing, despite Porkens statements otherwise. But he hasn't posted a lot. I am

leaning toward town.