Micro 744: ??? [Endgame]

Agent Dale Cooper · Post Post #525 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:42 am

In post 522, ProHawk wrote:Lol, okay, that sucks this is probably scum actually.

You never called me town. Scum is setting me up for lynch. That's why they killed the players they did.

"Scum is setting me up for lynch" -

please do not say that ever again

. Otherwise you will be lynched. I have no time to talk to players today using this as a reason for defence. If you think I am scum, you must say why in clear language for the 'majority of town' to act on.

My declining/weakening scum read of you is well documented. I had every chance to lynch you throughout this game, but have fought against it. That is the clear narrative. Therefore, this is why I said if you or Luca are scum, I need Lucky or Yume to help me see why, because I've been fighting against both yours and Luca's lynch.

I want open dialogue today

, and not "that sucks this is probably scum". Thank you.

Yume · Post Post #526 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:47 am

Nah, lay off there pls. He is not scum. Occam's razor dictates that Luca and Lucky are scum.

Agent Dale Cooper · Post Post #527 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:50 am

In post 526, Yume wrote:Luca and Lucky are scum.

You need to explain why. Then I move my head either horizontally side to side or vertically up and down.

Lucky2u · Post Post #528 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:51 am

In post 526, Yume wrote:Nah, lay off there pls. He is not scum. Occam's razor dictates that Luca and Lucky are scum.

Because of alliteration?

No seriously, why Luca over pro?

Yume · Post Post #529 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:57 am

For Lucky, well, the player who suspected him just died. That's why Occam's razor he is scum. He removed the person suspecting him. I mean, sure, you can go on and on about why that's not the case, but Occam's razor says so and disregarding it is a bad idea.

As for Luca, his posts kinda seem fake to me.

Lucky2u · Post Post #530 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:59 am

Intent to vote yume

Yume · Post Post #531 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:02 am

In post 530, Lucky2u wrote:Intent to vote yume

Sure you do, sure you do. Wanna cracker?

Yume · Post Post #532 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:03 am

Your words have no vale to me. You are cornered scum, voting whomever and whatever hoping that it would go away.

Agent Dale Cooper · Post Post #533 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:04 am

None of that please. You both sound like partners engaged in bad theatre.

Yume · Post Post #534 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:05 am

I mean, it's a perfectly valid reason why are you scum. And instead of trying to explain to why I am wrong, you respond with half-baked truths and OMGUS me to boot.

Agent Dale Cooper · Post Post #535 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:07 am

In post 529, Yume wrote:For Lucky, well, the player who suspected him just died. That's why Occam's razor he is scum. He removed the person suspecting him. I mean, sure, you can go on and on about why that's not the case, but Occam's razor says so and disregarding it is a bad idea.

As for Luca, his posts kinda seem fake to me.

Ok, we're going down the line of: 'because the dead townie said so'.

You need to do some digging outside of this please.

Why else is lucky scum?

[Because dead townies have also said ProHawk is scum for example].

Luca Blight · Post Post #536 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:09 am

Yume, please be more specific about what posts of mine seem fake to you. And why didn't you mention this on either of the previous days?

It feels like you're just trying to fabricate a reason to scumread me.

*reminder that I'm on holiday until the 22nd and will have very limited access until then. I would appreciate it if we abstain from voting until at least after I'm back from v/la.

Agent Dale Cooper · Post Post #537 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:11 am

Reading from page 1 either tonight or tomorrow for a full re-read.

Yume · Post Post #538 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:11 am

In post 533, Agent Dale Cooper wrote:None of that please. You both sound like partners engaged in bad theatre.

Okay, so explain to me why it isn't true that Lucky simply killed a player suspecting him? Is it so implausible to you? I am willing to engage with you here, as per your request, so talk to me about this.

p-edit: No, it's because Occam's razor said so. Why is so difficult for you to accept Occam's razor? FYI, violating Occam's razor led to town loss before, and you are about to let that happen again. Please stop.

Yume · Post Post #539 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:16 am

Yeah, okay, I am a big bad scum who let the player townread me get killed and removed my only defense from the equation, knowing that you would be at my throats the very next day. Sure. Let your conspiracy theories carry you.

Agent Dale Cooper · Post Post #540 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:19 am

Yes, I do accept that as a potential reason to suspect someone (as with VCA, POE, meta reasons etc).

But add something to it

. This is the last time I'm going to ask you.

Are you really going to write off scum-Agent Dale Cooper because no dead townie was pushing for my lynch yesterday?

I don't understand how you write off scum / lock on a scum read so strongly based on Occam's razor.

Agent Dale Cooper · Post Post #541 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:21 am

In post 538, Yume wrote:Okay, so explain to me why it isn't true that Lucky simply killed a player suspecting him? Is it so implausible to you? I am willing to engage with you here, as per your request, so talk to me about this.

Is ProHawk scum for the same reasons?

[Anxiety's main s/read was ProHawk.]

Yume · Post Post #542 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:33 am

In post 540, Agent Dale Cooper wrote:Yes, I do accept that as a potential reason to suspect someone (as with VCA, POE, meta reasons etc).
But add something to it
. This is the last time I'm going to ask you.

Are you really going to write off scum-Agent Dale Cooper because no dead townie was pushing for my lynch yesterday?

I don't understand how you write off scum / lock on a scum read so strongly based on Occam's razor.

Maybe I rely on it so strongly because violating it led to town loss in one of previous games I played? Experience is the best teacher, after all. Let me ask you a question in turn: why are you opposing it so strongly?

I wish mastina was here, she'd hit you for overthinking things like this. Since she's not, I have to hit you in her place.

Agent Dale Cooper · Post Post #543 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:40 am

I am not opposing it. I am saying, "yes, ah Occam's razor. That is a good point. However, what other reasons are there to scum read Lucky?"

Why are you using your last game as the golden rule for all other games, that's a logical fallacy. You can use it to help you make a decision this game, but to make it a black and white rule is naive.

Can you answer my question about ProHawk:

does Occam's razor point to ProHawk being scum?

Agent Dale Cooper · Post Post #544 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:42 am

In post 520, Yume wrote:Okay, these are my reads

Town: You, me, Pro
Scum: Lucky and Luca

Show me where 'Luca=scum' came from too.

Agent Dale Cooper · Post Post #545 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:45 am

In post 522, ProHawk wrote:Lol, okay, that sucks this is probably scum actually.

You never called me town. Scum is setting me up for lynch. That's why they killed the players they did.

ProHawk, have you stopped crying now?
Tell me about D2 which you missed. What do you hate about Elk's miss-lynch? Which votes were the worst?

Yume · Post Post #546 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:45 am

In post 543, Agent Dale Cooper wrote:I am not opposing it. I am saying, "yes, ah Occam's razor. That is a good point. However, what other reasons are there to scum read Lucky?"

Why are you using your last game as the golden rule for all other games, that's a logical fallacy. You can use it to help you make a decision this game, but to make it a black and white rule is naive.

Can you answer my question about ProHawk:
does Occam's razor point to ProHawk being scum?

In theory, yes, but that would mean too much scum in this game, and my scumread on Lucky is stronger.

Yume · Post Post #547 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:46 am

Luca as scum is largely based on PoE.

Yume · Post Post #548 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:49 am

And, admittedly, there are no other reasons, but saying that Occam's razor is irrelevant is also naive.

Yume · Post Post #549 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:59 am

Oh, and also, you yourself have pointed out that my case is weak. So, if he was truly innocent, he should be able to dismantle my case easily without resorting to 'intent to vote me'. So why didn't he make a nice long paragraph pointing out exactly why my read on him is wrong. And by that, I don't mean the weak reasoning he used already.