Mini 1953: XP Mafia (Game Over)

[NoticeMeSenpai]

VOTE: gerryoat.
Because he's scum even if his role PM says otherwise.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

VOTE: NoticeMeSenpai
OMGUS

I SAID GERRY NOT GINNGIE

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Vote: Raya36

Because it's my least favorite part of the game, RVS.

Btw legit think this could be scum.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

P-edit: I came here to lead, not to read

To be honest.
You'll probably be doing exactly that. I mean. I don't know whether it'll be you or us scum kill first, but. You're town. We're town. Scum fucked. Until we both inevitably end up nightkilled. (You can't lead the town if you're dead. )

[NoticeMeSenpai]

/inb4 mastina claims neighborizer upgrading to masonizer

I wish. I mean, I do have a role which, similar to a mason, has a very bad rep, just. In a different way. Let's see...

Independence Day - Star Trek Character != us, but is commonly confused with us.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

VOTE: Ghostlin.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

mastina is it weird that I know your role and it's only the first page >_>

Not weird, that's me doing my job.

But I think there's a fair chance you prolly got it wrong. You prolly have the right idea on my role though--this

is

a role which I wanted a second chance at since the first chance was shot to hell.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

what the fuck are you on lmao

Would it at all help you if I said "not faction, role"?

[NoticeMeSenpai]

i'll be back when it's not the shit show known as RVS, just need an ego post

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I feel like ghostlin is trying to sell me that he doesn't care

Well you could always vote him, so.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

NMS, voting doesn't work atm

It should. Intend to block is clear, so.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

...

Fuck you.

HURT: Ghostlin.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Also
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

MASTINA DIDN'T LET ME KNOW THIS STARTED D:

@Maki pretty much what drealm said in that we get to narrow down who to use actions on.. And if we had, saaaaaayyy a jailkeeper or something, that's 2 people who couldn't do the kill. Or follower/tracker that can know not to bother with one suspect.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Block: gerryoat

So here's how this is going to go down.
I'm going to tell you all flat out that gerryoat doesn't make the posts he made so far as town because he gives zero shits about anything as town.
You're all going to ignore me and want to leave scumfuck numero uno alive for whatever goddamn reason.
Then I'll get nightkilled and my read on the one person I am confident in reading will be ignored despite my flip ALSO pointing to the fact that he's fucking scum.
Then gerryscumfuckoat will win the game.

When I inevitably tilt I'm going to just quote this instead of raging. Hopefully. Maybe.
....I'mma probably still rage.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Oh I assumed everyone started as a VT and upgraded via EXP my mistake.

Maki-senpai, notice me

Shouldn't you be noticing the scumread on you?

No, because he wants to buddy you.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

because he gives zero shits about anything as town.

yes, not reading the rules is certainly caring lolol

Every time you're scum you pull this.
The fake towntell and "someone should explain the rules to me" where town!you doesn't even fucking bother and just posts something like "hate rvs" and walks off for the rest of the day phase. Town!you doesn't ask about the rules ever. Town!you doesn't respond to my scumread like this. Town!you IF YOU EVEN RESPOND omguses me to hell and back when I scumread you.
Scum!you responds with weak nitpicky discredits that completely skip over the main point.

This is scum!gerry. And I'm pretty sure mastina will agree with me when she sees this.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

am always down for a gerry lynch prettymuch

Come join the blocking party! <3

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Maki let me buddy you. lets be masons but without the masonry

Sure. block Ginngie mason buddy

Please don't fall for this.
For the love of god please don't fall for his shit.
Remember HoH?

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Hoh? Also Ginngies gerry block was really bad and is scum that needs to die. I'll focus on gerry later if he's scum but your aggro tone and confidence won't sell me on gerry scum I'm not "falling" for anything

House of Harmony.
I have a good track record of reading gerry. In fact, it's almost the complete opposite of your track record catching him as scum.

Ginngie isn't scum. Why? Because mastina said so and she can actually fucking soulread her.
Leave Ginngie to mastina. Trust me on gerry.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

this is a weird post, btw. from your point of view, you should be trying to sort out who would be my partner or not. but you immediately respond like you know she's town

Considering you're blatantly trying to buddy up to her there IS actually a decent possibility from your interactions towards her that she's town.
In any case, I'd rather get votes on the scumfuck I'm sure on than fuck around trying to find your partner pre-flip.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

this is a weird post, btw. from your point of view, you should be trying to sort out who would be my partner or not. but you immediately respond like you know she's town

Considering you're blatantly trying to buddy up to her there IS actually a decent possibility from your interactions towards her that she's town.
In any case, I'd rather get votes on the scumfuck I'm sure on than fuck around trying to find your partner pre-flip.

And since I know gerry's going to be all "you obviously aren't sure I'm flipping scum because you want to see the flip" - this is more so he can't wiggle his fucking way out of it by trying to say we should lynch his suspected partner instead.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

btw, this is my last town game i completed. viewtopic.php?t=72889&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go is this anything like NoticeMeSenpai says my town game is?

Lol this proves my point in the immense difference between gerry's town and scum games. Please do read it.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

jae doesn't display this level of confidence on jerry as scum

I need clarification, this can be read a few ways but I'll respond with that I think you're saying here.
If you're saying that my posting isn't me because of the confidence in gerry!scum.
I have literally found him as scum in the majority of his scum games and

still lost to him

.
I'm sick. And tired. Of losing. To the most obvious fucking scum on site.
I'm not giving him a fucking inch this game. I'm not letting up. I'm not letting him deflect to "lynch my partner instead?". Especially on the blocking when we can actually get something useful done with one scumfuck already blocked.

When both myself and mastina agree someone is scum, then you have a very high chance of that someone just being scum, and that's even ignoring my personal record with the guy.
So yes, I do display this level of confidence.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

unless mastina is pretending to be jae to screw with us >.> <.<

Neither of us would do this.
I understand this is just another one of your discrediting tactics.
But seriously, fuck that shit.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

jae, I still swear if I'd been alive endgame for Harmony I'd have led the lynch on gerry

It actually really hurts to keep losing to him. He's not good as scum and maybe you would have but the point I'm making to Maki is that it's going to be a repeat of that since I know she saw how that game panned out and listened to me whine about it after we lost.

@gin, dreal ah okay thanks for the clarification.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Jae are u scared of me?

Also how do you know mastina actually SR me and not a reaction test? You said mastina didn't tell you the game started yet

No.
Here's a concept for you.
We're dating. And I can damn near soulread her.
She actually scumread you. And I think she actually made that pretty fucking clear.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Btw when mastina voted me I wasn't here yet. So, jae, what are you saying?

i'll be back when it's not the shit show known as RVS, just need an ego post

Also
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat.

Blatant.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Gin I hate that you started to sr gerry after Jae called him out feels like you jumping on a TVT fight

This is not a TvT

.

GERRYOAT IS SCUM.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Jae are u scared of me?

Also how do you know mastina actually SR me and not a reaction test? You said mastina didn't tell you the game started yet

No.
Here's a concept for you.
We're dating. And I can damn near soulread her.
She actually scumread you. And I think she actually made that pretty fucking clear.

How? I wasnt even in the game yet when she voted me.

STOP FUCKING LYING
SHE VOTED YOU FOR RVS THEN VOTED YOU AGAIN AFTER YOU ENTERED THE GAME

[NoticeMeSenpai]

NINJA

<3 You are a beacon of sanity right now.
I need to jet, I'm doing the exact thing I didn't want to do and starting to tilt enough that I'm losing out on time with mastina.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

okay, everyone. i'm gonna be completely honest, i havent read the rules, and i cba to right now. someone wanna give me a tl;dr of this block thing?

KILL

[NoticeMeSenpai]

lolol i just joined cause NFL mafia got disbanded and i wanted to join a game

If there were any room for doubt.
gerry is scum.
gerry is. so. fucking. scum.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I guess that makes sense and if we're hurting scummy players
HURT: Ginngie

At least I can confidently say Maki is town.

Makes me wanna headdesk.
But town.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

mastina scumreads me every game l0l, i could literally be clear and she'd SR me

HURT: gerryoat

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Maki let me buddy you. lets be masons but without the masonry

And with that, Maki becomes locktown.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

am always down for a gerry lynch prettymuch

Come join the blocking party! <3

Hey that's my line. I was gonna say Ginngie as the foundation of the townblock with dreal as a likely addition. <3

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I can't tell if Maria is bad or just chainsawing gerry

Guide to reading Maria:

Does she make you want to lynch her?

YES:

She's town.

NO:

She's scum.

Act accordingly.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Block: Gerryoat

(Btw this is prolly town too.)

[NoticeMeSenpai]

oh god this game is too big.
also uh hi. i think i'll self-vote before i read the game because why not ayyyyy VOTE: Vijarada

Hey so like. Ginngie.

so like, ghostlin/gerry looking pretty saucy so far
need a 3rd

Remember when you said this?

Well look no further! Here's your third.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

This is not a TvT

.

GERRYOAT IS SCUM.

Ginngie.
I swear to fucking god.
If you got distracted by the shiny and went off on a tangent instead of focusing on someone who is actually fucking scum.
I'll

murder you

.

Because fuck yes.
TRUST US.

Jae sees it.
I see it.
We both fucking know what we're talking about.
We know how to read gerry.
And we are both telling you. gerry is scum.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

So you're saying that it's normal behavior for someone who takes days to sort you, to suddenly take 10 posts in one game and that's normal?

I used to not be able to read Pine that well
and then correctly scumread him on his first post. so. yeah lmao

Echo. (Even same scummer. I had him first tho. )

[NoticeMeSenpai]

HURT: Maki

GINNGIE.
NO.
STAWP.
MARIA IS TEH SHINIES.
BUT SHE ISN'T SCUM.
YOU ARE FIGHTING WITH TOWN.
YOU FUCKING HAD THE ENTIRE FUCKING SCUMTEAM.
IN YOUR GRASP.
DON'T LET GO OF IT OR I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD YOU WILL REGRET IT COME POSTGAME.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Ya I'm with Ginngie on this one. Maki has absolutely tried her hardest not to explain and answer here, and Ginngie has been really incisive. This is a really bad sequence of posts from Maki. and, although town have bad reads, I think her (right? i ask bc my pronoun has been female for a long time but i'm a guy lmao) deflecting and being basically dragged into answering is indicative of her being scum.
HURT: Maki Harukawa

Ginngie.
This is.
This is literally.
A fucking scumfuck.
Sheeping your wrong-assed read on a town player.
And encouraging the TvT fight.
You are town. Maria is town. Lynch actual damn scum.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

[Block]

Maki Harukawa (4)- Ghostlin, Ginngie, Vijarada, Assemblerotws

[Block]

gerryoat (2)- NoticeMeSenpai, Dunnstral

[Block]

Ginngie (1)- Maki Harukawa
End day (1)- drealmerz7
Not voting (5)- gerryoat, Raya36, EeveeLution Army, yurkin, Thomas of the Tiels

Literally.
Couldn't.
get.
any.
fucking.
more.
obvious.
than.
this.
shit.
Showing you why.
Maki is town and gerry is scum.

GINNGIE.
MAKI IS BEING WAGONED BY GHOSTLIN.
AND VIJARADA.
AND IS THE FUCKING COUNTERWAGON TO GERRYOAT.
One of those being true would be enough.

You have.
all.
fucking.
three.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I like Vijay's arguments and am getting a Town read off them.

I am also content with my block on Maki; the gerry and NMS fight seems to be a bunch of crap fighting: gerry seems to be one of those players that's like your little brother that gets in your bubble really close: "I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. MOM, he hit me." I'm super not buying the SR crap as anything more than gut.

LMS, what are your feelings on Maki?

GINNGIE.
READ THIS SHIT.
LITERALLY.
FUCKING.
READ THIS SHIT.

GHOSTLIN TOWNREADS VIJAY.
GHOSTLIN IS OKAY WITH THE MAKI BLOCK.
GHOSTLIN IS WRITING THE NMS-GERRY DEBATE AS TvT.

It's literally.
Right.
in.
fucking.
front.
of. you.

RIGHT IN YOUR FACE.
AS BLATANT AS BLATANT SCUMFUCKS GET.

Like. Fuck. You know how we named Pine as scum off of one post because he was that obvious? This is like that only ten times worse in that. It's literally. It's just the most obvious scumteam I've ever seen and it is everywhere in their fucking posting.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

so I trust in their ability to read gerry as well.

If you trust in our ability to read gerry well then FUCKING TRUST IN OUR NEED TO LYNCH GERRY NOT SOME OTHER PLAYER.

Guarantee you. Let gerry live, you'll regret it.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

i like vijay's posting so far. also with my experience with dreal, when he makes long posts that make sense, he's been mafia. but, it's too early to make that assessment rn.

LITERALLY RIGHT BELOW YOUR POST GINNGIE.
LITERALLY RIGHT BELOW IT.
The scumteam is gerry-Ghostlin-Vijay.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I mean yeah, pretty much agree with what Jae says but honestly you're a sack of potatoes compared to Maki right now and that's my primary concern.

Ginngie.
Fuck Maria.
gerry is OUR fucking primary concern.

TRUST US DAMMIT.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

there is nothing town about Maki

Which is EXACTLY why Maki is actually town.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

BTW Ginngie.
I don't really have much time for mafia stuff tonight, but.
You absolutely.
Fucking.
Need.

ABSOLUTELY DAMN WELL BETTER FUCKING READ.
THIS FUCKING GAME.
Read it. Start to finish.

And understand.
ONE. Why gerry is fucking scum.
And TWO. Why we are not fucking letting him go because of any reason.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Jae here, I'm still back at my last post directed at Ginngie but have been updated on the gamestate and I have zero desire to read town doing another fountain.

@Ginngie This is what happens when you don't focus on gerryoat.
We're already not able to fucking lynch the fucker today. He is playing a carbon copy of his play in that game. That was a game where mastina and Eddie called both gerry and his scum partner from the beginning of the game. That is a game where gerry

fakeclaimed public cop when he was a public rolecop and still didn't get lynched when that was revealed

.
gerry is literally as good as confirmed fucking scum and we should be using the blocking mechanic on him so that night actions can be more useful tonight. There is no one scummier. There is no better option. Maki is town because gerry is buddying the fuck out of her and he's scum.

@Maki you are sheeping our block vote now. You cannot read gerry. You cannot tell when he is buddying you, and that is exactly what he is doing here. This is not a TvT and Ginngie is town.

pedit still posting this and I love how in sync we are babe <3

[NoticeMeSenpai]

yes, please read that game. Jae day 1 took ages to get a read on me. Jae even admitted day 1 that they didn't even SR me. so don't you think it's weird how Jae would just SR me after a few posts here?

YOU DO THE EXACT SAME FUCKING SHIT TO OPEN HERE AS YOU DID TO OPEN IN THAT FUCKING GAME
EXACTLY
THE
FUCKING
SAME

YOU ARE EVEN DISCREDITING THE READ
EXACTLY
THE
FUCKING
SAME

[NoticeMeSenpai]

JAE YOU SAID YOU WOULD INFORM SOMETHING_SMART ABOUT OUR WEEKEND V/LA

(Talk later.)

[NoticeMeSenpai]

You know.
I could make a case that I know is going to be ignored. Or I could quote every time I made good points against scum!gerry where town still didn't lynch him because towns lately are awful and you could all figure out how that relates to this game. I might do the latter at some stage tonight if I don't find gaming more fun than the depressing ISO dive of every scum!gerry game where I lay out everything that makes a scum gerry then town proceeds to not lynch him after I die.

@Dunnstral considering you've been on the receiving end of me finding you when you were scum and deathtunneling you... considering you've been scum with me before and know this absolutely is not how I approach the game as scum... considering you saw recently in smith's game where you used this exact same argument when I caught scum!gerry and your pushing of this idiocy made me tilt so hard I said things I sincerely regret and had to replace out before I got force replaced for toxicity, let me just say... No. I don't know if you're doing this

because

you know it was effective in smith's game at getting heat off gerry and you're trying to get me to have a repeat of that, or if you are actually just incapable of learning from your past mistakes. Either way, I'm flat out asking you to at least come up with an argument that hasn't been proven wrong by YOUR OWN EXPERIENCES in the past on what I would/wouldn't do. I spent days raging at mastina over this and questioning your integrity and I don't want to do that, it feels bad to have to do that over a game. You know better.

@Raya I have indeed seen gerry play a more active town game. Once. I correctly identified him as town there, too. Both his scum and town game are so different from each other that

yes, you can indeed meta him effectively

.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I'm not that great with associates unless it's something super obvious like "gerry is trying to pocket Maki". It's better for me to get individual reads.

And dreal.
This is a cockroach that can put on a top hat and dance... You might wanna squish it, but everyone in the family tells you it's harmless to leave it because it amuses them.
Then you have a fucking infestation.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

jae, you still gotta realize that it is kind of unreasonable that everyone just trust you on it when they haven't come to it on their own - do you leave any room for the possibility that you could be wrong?

I am telling you I know I'm not wrong.
I would prefer the block to be on him tonight to try to narrow down night actions a bit more with one guaranteed scum blocked.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Here's the post from HoH:

Spoiler:

Subject: Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

gerry case:

Gerry as town is completely uninvolved with games. He hates playing town and loves playing scum:

Look through these ISOs in the night phase and you'll see why he's confscum here.

Town:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68870 - VT
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=69080 - VT?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=69351 - Doctor
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68970 - VT
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=69209 - Town Backup (hydra with MariaR/SoniaNevermind, named Sondam)

Scum:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69960 - maf
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=67506 - maf
http://emforummaf.prophpbb.com/search.p ... sf=msgonly - maf traitor
https://epicmafia.com/topic/80150?page=2&_pjax=%23posts - maf

All that said, there is one outlier that i can think of off the top of my head. He was a treestump with no reveal upon flip and roleplaying as Komaeda the whole game:
http://emforummaf.prophpbb.com/search.p ... r=gerryoat

I don't believe this is another outlier game. His defense was that it's multiball, but if you go back to his early game posting there was still more there before he "knew" it was mb (and no I don't believe that was a townslip, and Transcend didn't either, I think, he was likely buddying him to not get shot from the other team). You'll also note in one of those mafia games (Dream mafia) he defended his meta against me by saying it was maria's game so he was actually trying. Sounds similar to his defense that it's multiball so he's actually trying because it's new.

There's also the matter of his hard tr'ing Transcend (not sure if he hard tr Cloudkicker but I'll probably want to check this for follow-up if I live through the night) as he has experience with both of them from epicmafia and has played a decent amount of games with them here too. It's not impossible to misread your friends that badly as town but it's a little less likely imo.

After a gerry lynch you guys will probably have this in the bag. I'd personally be looking between Zach and Elena, with a leaning towards Zach. I'd probably want to look over 6287 if gerry is black scum, if he's white there'd be no need obviously, as anything more than 3 scum on each team is horribly unbalanced and a guaranteed town loss, and with mastin as a reviewer it wouldn't have gotten past review.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I went back and took a look at the mhsmith game (which took place around 6 months ago); I didn't scumread you and I made that clear multiple times. I wasn't attacking your read on gerry either, I was challenging you for saying a slot was confirmed town in your eyes that I scumread. You replacing out in that game seems like you were upset at gerry and not me. I don't know what you mean by questioning my integrity.

Spoiler:

Subject: Mini Normal 1893 - I Keep Modding Minis Ending in 3 -endgame

Dunnstral has played with me in 2 blitz games (one we were both town, one he was scum I was town), Ari's donner party mafia (I was vig, he was town, and I tunneled him all D1 then shot his scumread who was the sk), Questionable Content mafia (he quickly realized I was town really early on after having an issue with me having early reads), Trial of the Evoker (we were scum together and I was in a hydra with Impoetic. Dunn counterclaimed a watcher that watched him make the kill and got that person lynched; i have a really hard time believing he can forget that kind of play), and Typhon (dunn was cult leader and realized I was town there too, and recognized Impoetic as obvtown there and culted her for it)

Like, Dunn pretending he doesn't know how I play is god awful.

Subject: Mini Normal 1893 - I Keep Modding Minis Ending in 3 -endgame

1 game where you were scum I was town
1 game where you were scum I was scum Impoetic was scum
1 game where you were cult I was town, you culted obvtown!Impo
3 games where we were both town. One of those I tunneled you.

You are pretending as though you don't know how I play when you've townread me every time you've been town or 3rd party.

Add DOTA maf to that if you want, dunn and I both replaced in, he was scum there, I was town.

The whole reason I had you as mafia was your chainsawing for gerry bs and pretending you don't know how I play. You're doing the same here.
I couldn't be upset at gerry. I knew he was mafia. I was upset at the rest of you for not fucking lynching the most obvious scum in the game. As I made

perfectly

clear before I replaced when I laid out exactly what I thought of town in that game.
Questioning whether you'd try to make me tilt to the point where I'd end up risking force replacement like I did in that game is what I mean by questioning your integrity.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

@Raya I have indeed seen gerry play a more active town game. Once. I correctly identified him as town there, too. Both his scum and town game are so different from each other that

yes, you can indeed meta him effectively

.

This may be true but I can't take your word for it and I don't have the time to read through several of his games to compare them to this one. To someone who does not know Gerry's meta you have just been shouting empty facts.

There is no objectively scummy thing that every scum ever does. If you're looking for something like that you're always going to come up short. Town are anti-town more often than scum are. Scum are genuine more often than most town are. Town lie as often as scum do.

gerryoat in this game has made a point of trying to pocket (not just buddy, which is ALSO something town do often, see us and Ginngie) Maki. He has postured with regards to his read on my slot and has clearly not been reading the game with a mindset of wanting to gamesolve or he would have read the mods posts about the blocking mechanism. Hell, here's one if you want to play the "objectively scummy" game. Town would be thinking about their night actions and how that works in tandem with the block. He is not. He doesn't care because he doesn't need to gamesolve to win. He doesn't need to think to win. He just needs to not be lynched. That is his wincon and it's fucking clear as day to me and I don't get how people can't see that or can see it and think it's fine to leave him alone. It's not.

I am sick to death of watching my own fucking loss as town from the graveyard when it's a blatant scum!gerry. I shouldn't have to lose to the most obvious scum on site.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Interesting word choice

Is that to me?

Clearly. He's saying you're stating it's fact is an interesting word choice (implying you know it's true).
It's semantics and NAI.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

168
I find the contradiction from NMS quoted by Gerry to be interesting. Gerry says he'll be back after RVS and NMS votes him for that but then Gerry comes back and posts and NMS calls him scum for posting rather than saying that he hates RVS and disappearing. So which is it? Gerry is scum when he doesn't post in RVS or when he does post in RVS because right here it seems to me NMS is saying both.

No, when I say disappearing I mean he prod dodges the whole day phase. You get hardly anything out of him.
mastina voted him early on, iirc. She specializes in reading people off their first post. Her dislike of him would have something to do with how she reads the gamestate at that early game point, which holds a lot of different things all at once that I don't know well enough to explain and I'm pretty sure she

can't

explain. I can give you posts where she tries to but it's basically "it's not gut but that's the closest you're going to be able to have an answer you could process because she doesn't think in words, but rather concepts".
My read on him came in when I came into the game, which was after he asked about the blocking mechanic.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

lol midterms
HURT: Yurkin

HURT: Yurkin

Mostly quoted so I could just copy pasta the hurt tag on Yurkin.



Mostly

Seriously lets just end this day so we can figure shit out, its not even a lynch, and we wont find out anything from our cations, so thats gonna suck.

Really don't like this, for what it's worth.
I can't explain it right now though.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

any reads on anyone else? do you agree with mastina that it's town gin?

Agree with mastina that it's town Ginngie, yeah.
Think Maki is town because of gerry trying to pocket her.
This feels more like I've seen you as town than what I remember from In Memory, and I think certain posts like the ones where you're trying to reach out to me are motivated from a town mindset.
Not a fan of Ghostlin calling me vs gerry a TvT but I'm not sure how much of that is mastina's read of Ghostlin influencing mine since she's mentioned scumreading him a few times now.
Don't like Vaxkiller right now but I can't really explain that one. It feels like he's trying to downplay how much we can get from this day phase and the importance of the block? That's the closest I can get here.
Vijarada had a strong start then fell off and that always makes me feel a little nervous, but I think probably town there.
Dunnstral I have strong omgus urges on and don't trust myself to read him right now. Especially considering I feel like he should be better than this. I think this is probably a read I need to leave to mastina.
Raya I don't have a feel for yet either way.

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I'm not looking for things "objectively scummy". I'm looking for proof from you that Gerry is actually scum. All you have given are empty "facts" about his meta play and how he is so obv scum. Then you keep playing the sympathy and "I'm always right about Gerry" game where you keep bringing up how you always lose to Gerry when he's obviously scum and how you called it every time. Seems to me more like you hold a grudge against Gerry and want him lynched no matter his allignment.

Also I've been playing fine since I started mafia and I'm perfectly capable of scumhunting without meta so don't start implying that my way of scumhunting is garbage.

I gave you reasons. Which you have not responded to. I can't give you proof. Mafia at its core is a game about not having said proof.
I gave you his meta. In a post with links and things explained out from a game where I actually thought I had a chance of winning after doing everything I could to kill scum, including vigging them and pushing for the lynch on two of them. Then I died calling out the final two scum. And scum gerry won. That is the meta from that game where I fucking LAID IT OUT. And you've already said you won't read that stuff so

I can't give you more proof there because

YOU

refuse to read it

.

iirc you scumread me and mulch in that newbie I played with you. Every other game you've hardly posted. I think you look for anti-town and disruptive rather than motivations honestly, and it's fine if you don't want to take my advice but I do think that you don't look at motivations behind actions. I think this is evidenced by the fact that you think I want to grudge lynch gerry regardless of his alignment. I clearly don't. I defend him when he's town because it's in my win con to do so. Do I want to lynch scum!gerry? Yes, hell yes. I hate losing to scum gerry. Do I want to lynch

gerry

? No, he's a nice guy and if he's town I don't want to lynch town because I actually

do

give a shit about winning.

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i'll be back when it's not the shit show known as RVS, just need an ego post

Also
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat.

Blatant.

where town!you doesn't even fucking bother and just posts something like "hate rvs" and walks off for the rest of the day phase

As for the part about Gerry not caring or reading, you said yourself that Gerry as town doesn't seem to care for the first day. If this is the case why does this come across as so scummy to you. What makes this "not caring" dayphase different than any of his others?

Those quotes were in response to him saying that he was seriously voted by mastina before he even posted. That was me proving him wrong and saying his discrediting attempt is blatantly a lie. I didn't think I'd need to spell that out.

gerry as town NEVER cares ALL GAME.
He hammered himself as town tracker in Civ mafia.
He posted A TOTAL OF ONE TIME in Firework mafia.
He posts once and it usually says something like "hi" and then

he prod dodges all day phase every day phase

.
Can he have a burst of activity as town? Yes! But he isn't like this! He doesn't posture like this! He doesn't discredit in this particular manner! He doesn't buddy like this!
Gerry as town DOESN'T ask about the mechanics. He is trying to fake dumbtell here. He isn't "not caring", he's "trying to not be lynched". He's trying to maintain an appearance of still doing shit while "not caring" as evidenced by "sorting" me. He's

putting on an act in everything he does

.

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Re 504
That still doesn't explain the contradiction. The contradiction is still there that when he doesn't care and prod dodges he gets voted but when he starts posting he still gets scum read because as town he doesn't care enough to properly post.


Please just look at it from my perspective for a bit. You can't blame me for being skeptical of a read mostly based on meta that I don't know from someone who jumped on him from his first post that also holds a grudge against him for always winning against them as scum when they called it.

THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION HOLY SHIT.
MASTINA VOTED HIM FOR HER INITIAL GUT REACTION.
I CALLED HIM SCUM FOR HIS ACTIVITY AFTER IT.
THERE ARE TWO HEADS WITH TWO DIFFERENT READS AND HE DOESN'T COME BACK TO MAKE THAT QUESTION ABOUT MECHANICS AS TOWN EVER.

It's not about properly posting it's about POSTING AT ALL AND PRETENDING TO CARE ABOUT ANYTHING. He was pretending to care about the mechanics which isn't something he does as town.

You even admit that I called it every time that he was scum and won against me. That should be enough to not be skeptical of that fucking read.

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Mastina called him on his first post in our last game too.
One he JUST won. Because no one fucking listens.

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Block: gerryoat

So here's how this is going to go down.
I'm going to tell you all flat out that gerryoat doesn't make the posts he made so far as town because he gives zero shits about anything as town.
You're all going to ignore me and want to leave scumfuck numero uno alive for whatever goddamn reason.
Then I'll get nightkilled and my read on the one person I am confident in reading will be ignored despite my flip ALSO pointing to the fact that he's fucking scum.
Then gerryscumfuckoat will win the game.

When I inevitably tilt I'm going to just quote this instead of raging. Hopefully. Maybe.
....I'mma probably still rage.

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Yeah mastina can deal with this for a bit I'm fucking done.

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Intense argument. TBH i wanna here gerrys rebuttal. But senpai has a decent player meta case, a rarity.

gerry doesn't do rebuttals. He picks at the weakest point in an argument and ignores any good points made, and makes a lot of noise so that people only focus on the points he wants them to focus on. That's how he wins games.

Really don't like this, for what it's worth.
I can't explain it right now though.

Shhh my buddy game is stronk.

I just wanna level up. Can I get a an amen?

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NMS, how is you screaming about gerry anything but noise at this point? He's not going down today, at least right fucking now. YES, you can scumread him, but Yurkin seems to be the play right now. What do you feel about Yurkin?

I don't have a read on yurkin, mastina might, idunno, but she hasn't been focused on mafia lately due to depression.
Which... I've also hit but someone needs to hold down the fort and make posts so this isn't a deadweight slot.

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I couldn't be upset at gerry. I knew he was mafia. I was upset at the rest of you for not fucking lynching the most obvious scum in the game.

why are you lying? you subbed out cause i called you out on making RC replace (even though he was town) lol

Please don't do this. Don't accuse me of lying. I have a very personal reaction to being called a liar, so I'm asking you as a friend to not do this. I can guarantee you that regardless of alignment I wouldn't lie about something like that - there's no gain in it.

I didn't sub out because of that at all. I subbed out because town weren't lynching you, and I even made that clear by saying I thought town was incompetent, in exactly those words iirc. I know why I subbed out. No one can tell me I subbed for a different reason because I know why I subbed, and there's no reason for me to lie about that.

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gerryoat in this game has made a point of trying to pocket

this is also a lie, this is how me and maki talk EVERY game. it doesn't matter if I'm scum or town. Even dreal said that me and her usually argue or joke around in the beginning of games we are in together

gerry trying to paint this as a lie when it's a reading of the gamestate is disingenuous.

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Seems to me more like you hold a grudge against Gerry and want him lynched no matter his allignment.

THANK YOU.

you are town.

not trying to buddy you...ha...ha........ha..........

This is an extremely shallow read. I do not think it's a real read.

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everyone please read this post, raya nailed it on the head. the hydra contradicted themselves hard. they said "gerry as scum just says 'i hate RVS then leaves'" (which is what i did) but then they quoted that post and said "blatant scum"

Raya took my post out of context, which was alongside Ginngie's post iirc where she quoted the same sequence because of gerry saying that we seriously voted him before he posted. mastina did not seriously vote him before he posted. She did that after he posted. I was pointing out a blatant lie, which was the "Blatant." comment, as I explained in the response to Raya.

gerry is simultaneously trying to stroke Raya's ego (a buddying tactic) and trying to push a contradiction as scummy (they're not, town are more likely to contradict themselves than scum are, actually). On top of that, he is twisting things out of context even moreso and running with Raya's interpretation a little too hard here. I did not say "blatant scum", I said "Blatant." in a context where gerry lied about the timeline of events happening in this game.

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He hammered himself as town tracker in Civ mafia.

THIS IS ANOTHER LIE LOL. POST THE GAME LINK RIGHT NOW SO YOU ARE PROVEN A LIAR. YOU WON'T DO IT. I put myself to L-1 to get people to unvote and then UZI quick hammered me.

Misremembered, probably due to the game being like 500 pages or something stupid like that. I remembered you were extremely antitown and it was to do with self-voting and resulted in your lynch. Ergo, selfhammer. Putting yourself at L-1 is just as bad and still proves the point I was making though?
What would I have to gain by lying about that?

gerry is pointing out "lies" and "contradictions" that aren't even as such, but then not analyzing the motivation and gain I'd have in doing so. These are things people can check if they want to so why the fuck would I bother lying about my recollection of events? He is not trying to read for motivations or what gain I'd get out of this, he's trying to make me look bad so that my push on him is discarded.

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He posted A TOTAL OF ONE TIME in Firework mafia.

Oh you mean the game that I was KILLED NIGHT ONE? AND IT WAS A QUICK DAY????? LOL

Remembered you posted one time all game. Forgot you were the N1 kill. Game was a long time ago. I don't think the day was especially quick though? I remember I even had time to shitpost, sheep Transcend on LUV, got fake dayvigged by Transcend, crumbed my role and who I was thinking of tracking, and fos rb while stating I wasn't sure on Uzi. Like there was a lot of content in D1?

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He posts once and it usually says something like "hi" and then he prod dodges all day phase every day phase.
Can he have a burst of activity as town? Yes! But he isn't like this! He doesn't posture like this! He doesn't discredit in this particular manner! He doesn't buddy like this!
Gerry as town DOESN'T ask about the mechanics. He is trying to fake dumbtell here. He isn't "not caring", he's "trying to not be lynched". He's trying to maintain an appearance of still doing shit while "not caring" as evidenced by "sorting" me. He's putting on an act in everything he does.

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Posting this game to prove you're a liar. everything you said I don't do as town i did in this game. I even had to fake claim so i wouldn't be lynched.

I already said you have outlier games too in my other post.
This still isn't like your outlier games at all.

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I was also very active i believe the 2nd or 3rd most active in that game (and helped lead town to victory)

I was the backup mod for that game.
You didn't lead town to victory. You sheeped a lot and put your vote on and off townies, you had one scum in your scumpicks and you spent ages trying to reason with scum on why you weren't scum.
Town won that game because of Edosurist being a loyal BP inventor and confirming people as town, plus masons existing. Scum were backed into a corner through night actions and roles.

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He posted A TOTAL OF ONE TIME in Firework mafia.

Oh you mean the game that I was KILLED NIGHT ONE? AND IT WAS A QUICK DAY????? LOL

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ftr i posted more than 1 time. my posts were so towny and i was game solving that mafia felt the need to kill me n1.

Huh. I was actually really sure you just posted once. Was that another game? 20 posts isn't really better than 1 post though.
Mafia didn't kill you n1 because you were game solving, they killed you because they thought you were a PR. You even noted that at the end of the game.

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I hope you guys can stop death tunneling at some point.

if i was death tunneling, i'd be voting them, but i am trying to game solve. but yurkin is more obvious scum. NMS is just focusing on me only and not giving any other reads.

This is a lie. I gave other reads.

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NMS is just focusing on me only and not giving any other reads.

To be clear, the motivation in this is to gaslight.
He wants people to continue to think I didn't give other reads. Again, this is done in an attempt to make me look like I'm not credible enough to listen to my points on him.

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NMS Gerry could be scum but that wasn't him trying to pocket me it's just how we interact if you wanna see where gerry is pocketing me check out Hoh near the end of the game that is where gerry pocketed me.

I think he was trying to buddy you early to lay the groundwork.

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maki is town

Hey maki can you do something towny this game? Or at least respond to me responding to you.

3rd might be dunn lol

This lacks any critical thought whatsoever. There's no questioning of whether I'd blow up at a scum partner the way I did with Dunn, there's just... nothing.
There's no delving into motivation here.

I don’t get the town motivation in ignoring actually scummy players and trying to push the thread in the direction of just two people yelling at each other.

I know you're better than to let this go when we have a hard and solid read on someone you know we can read, and it's upsetting me that you are when we have a plan if we can just get the obvious gerryscum blocked. Throw me a line here and let me in a bit on your process?

I gave you reasons. Which you have not responded to. I can't give you proof. Mafia at its core is a game about not having said proof.
I gave you his meta. In a post with links and things explained out from a game where I actually thought I had a chance of winning after doing everything I could to kill scum, including vigging them and pushing for the lynch on two of them. Then I died calling out the final two scum. And scum gerry won. That is the meta from that game where I fucking LAID IT OUT. And you've already said you won't read that stuff so

I can't give you more proof there because

YOU

refuse to read it

.

iirc you scumread me and mulch in that newbie I played with you. Every other game you've hardly posted. I think you look for anti-town and disruptive rather than motivations honestly, and it's fine if you don't want to take my advice but I do think that you don't look at motivations behind actions. I think this is evidenced by the fact that you think I want to grudge lynch gerry regardless of his alignment. I clearly don't. I defend him when he's town because it's in my win con to do so. Do I want to lynch scum!gerry? Yes, hell yes. I hate losing to scum gerry. Do I want to lynch

gerry

? No, he's a nice guy and if he's town I don't want to lynch town because I actually

do

give a shit about winning.

Fine, so maybe I'm wrong about you just wanting to grudge-lynch gerry and I'm sorry I accused you of it. It jusy doesn't seem logical to me that you expect everyone to just trust you and lynch gerry though.

In responce to the reason: (I assume you mean this)

Town would be thinking about their night actions and how that works in tandem with the block. He is not. He doesn't care because he doesn't need to gamesolve to win. He doesn't need to think to win. He just needs to not be lynched. That is his wincon and it's fucking clear as day to me and I don't get how people can't see that or can see it and think it's fine to leave him alone. It's not.

Wouldn't scum be doing the same too though? Maybe even to a greater extent? What if he's vanilla and doesn't have any night actions? Then he wouldn't need to think too much about the blocking mechanic in relation to his night abilities. Scum on the other hand with or without abilities do need to think about all of this since it affects how they need to nk and play.

I appreciate that. I'm sorry for implying your methods of scumhunting are bad. Did any of my posts here help with explaining part of what I'm seeing here?

Scum wouldn't be doing the same, no, because if someone who is lazy as scum can get away with it, they're more likely to just wait for claims and leave their partner/s to figure the rest out. They have partner/s to fall back on where town don't for their night actions.
This is a role madness game. If he's vanilla then he's the equivalent of an innocent child because there's usually one token VT in role madness, and never two.

If

he's vanilla, I strongly believe he is a mafia goon rather than VT, because I am really sure that I know who the token VT is this game.
So yes, scum gerry doesn't need to think about night actions in tandem with the block because all he wants is the block not on him or his partner/s, whereas town gerry needs to think about who he wants the block on because that is a free extra roleblock for town and denies scum their XP, he needs to think about who to block and how that ties in with his night actions. He isn't, because he doesn't have real reads, he hasn't been thinking critically about the game, player interactions, the gamestate.

Besides which, that was actually supposed to be secondary to my other points. The posturing, buddying, not trying to genuinely read me, attempts to dumbtell about game mechanics, which are then explained and he does it again. Things like that. I have a hard time properly verbalizing these things lately though, and making them into sentences that explain it properly.

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Vijarada had a strong start then fell off

as always lmao.

Wait a fucking minute though, how could you guys POSSIBLY have gone from all caps "GHOST/GERRY/VIJ IS LITERALLY THE MOST OBVIOUS SCUMTEAM OF ALL TIME" which you posted after my 'strong start' and then gone to "Vijarada had a strong start but fell off, probably town"?

And if you say hydra dissonance I will murder you fyi.

Hydra dissonance

In all seriousness, though. I liked your initial help on the block vote on gerry and iirc early interactions with Ginngie. I didn't want to interfere too much with her push and read because she does better at reading associations than I do, but I do better at individual reads I think. She hasn't been here, though, soooo... meh.
We haven't touched base on this game as much as I'd like. Most of it has been bitching and whining about town and gerry, and tilting, then watching each other play games to cool off.
She hasn't gotten to this because of her depression, and I'm honestly not feeling much like being here right now either because mine kicked in. I townread you, I don't know why exactly mastina scumread you. I'm not quite at mindreading levels of coupleness yet.

That comes after I get 50 more xp though so home stretch here I come!

Can your read on yurkin be summed as "coasting scum" or is there something more to that? I do not believe that yurkin asking gerry to clarify if his useless question was leading somewhere (in essence) is quite rolefishing. Generally feel as though scum aren't quite as blatant about something like that, especially so if newbscum due to a tendency to think a little deeper on what they're posting and how it's going to come across to the other players in the game (e.g. "am I posting something scummy?"). I do often find that newbtown ask those kinds of questions which people see as rolefishing a decent amount of the time, though, because of a tendency to not overthink things.

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Finally, sorry drealmerz for the post spam. Feel free to bitch at me.

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NMS knows exactly what I'm waiting on but they ain't doing shit about it :/

If you're expecting me to read your mind; I can't. I have no idea what you're waiting on.
If you're expecting mastina to.... she hasn't been around.

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NMS - salty cause i beat them in the last game lol. prob still maf cause i don't see jae pushing me this hard as town, especially with the contradiction that raya and i pointed out.

This is gerry trying to gaslight. He is stating a version of events different from what happened in the game. Basically, he's taking the out of context thing from Raya and trying to push it as a contradiction when it's not. He stated before I was saying "Blatant scum" when all I stated was "Blatant" and IN CONTEXT it was to do with him claiming that mastina voted him seriously before he was in the game, since he was trying to argue that mastina didn't seriously scumread him. Which both myself and Ginngie proved him wrong on.

I don't think gerry takes this stance as town, because I don't believe he twists things out of context when he was an active participant in the conversation as town. He is doing this because he needs to discredit the person scumreading him the hardest in order to try to shake people's faith in him being scum.

I will point this shit out as often as I have to.

Btw when mastina voted me I wasn't here yet. So, jae, what are you saying?

Jae are u scared of me?

Also how do you know mastina actually SR me and not a reaction test? You said mastina didn't tell you the game started yet

No.
Here's a concept for you.
We're dating. And I can damn near soulread her.
She actually scumread you. And I think she actually made that pretty fucking clear.

i'll be back when it's not the shit show known as RVS, just need an ego post

Also
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat.

mastina posting

Btw when mastina voted me I wasn't here yet. So, jae, what are you saying?

i'll be back when it's not the shit show known as RVS, just need an ego post

Also
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat.

Blatant.

Here is the series of posts in context where I show it's blatant that mastina seriously voted gerry following him entering the game. Hence, "Blatant.".

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NMS, game aside, i am sorry for calling you a liar. i just saw it a different way

<3 I know you're a good person or I wouldn't have bothered asking. Thanks, friend.

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@Vij

Can your read on yurkin be summed as "coasting scum" or is there something more to that? I do not believe that yurkin asking gerry to clarify if his useless question was leading somewhere (in essence) is quite rolefishing. Generally feel as though scum aren't quite as blatant about something like that, especially so if newbscum due to a tendency to think a little deeper on what they're posting and how it's going to come across to the other players in the game (e.g. "am I posting something scummy?"). I do often find that newbtown ask those kinds of questions which people see as rolefishing a decent amount of the time, though, because of a tendency to not overthink things.

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Righto. I'm finally back; catching up now.

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I mean it's really frustrating to have to deal with a case based on the interactions and votes of other players, one of whom you lock-scumread because of meta which I don't know. I think you're super off the tracks here.

And I think you're super-scum for this post!

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there is nothing town about Maki

Which is EXACTLY why Maki is actually town.

excuse me for uh...not trusting you re this.

Excuse me for calling you scum RE: this.

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@NoticeMeSenpai

I have an obsession with scum. It's unhealthy, I know, but. I just gotta. When I see them. Put rope around them. I think this magical sensation I feel is called "being town".

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you realize we can't lynch gerry right?

Yeah. But we can stop scum from using gerry tonight. And then, if we have additional town blocking power, we can block a second scum. Making 2/3 scum fail, giving us good odds of trouncing them.

Plus it makes it easier to lynch him tomorrow, so.

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Gin and mastina are the toxic twins

By which you mean are the two most competent town players in the game.

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Still waiting for the less active people to talk but I think they are fine with letting you 2 argue and NMS tunnel for no reason

This is a scum gerry outright admitting the Ginngie-Maki fight is town-town.

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Ftr Maki is town. Her posts are genuine, she's way more genuine as town than maf.

And this is blatant pocketing. Like. Blatant as fuck. Trying to get on Maki's good side. Buddying to the extreme. Which is also meant to make it look like if we get the gerry scumflip we fucking should, that Maki would be scum. (But she isn't.)

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I just want a coherent story that makes sense from you and you're not giving one.

Coherency is a scumtell from her. I know she keeps on playing on alts and she keeps on saying she wants to change it but I'm sorry to say that every time I've seen her it remains true. She's irrational, she's town; she makes sense, she's scum. And she doesn't make sense this game and is therefore town.

I know it's a shitty way of reading her. But it has yet to fail me. And I'm sorry, but I am not going to pretend to have a wrong read by using reasoning I know is wrong, just for her sake. I am not going to discard the accurate read just because explaining the method by which I reached said read contains an accurate-yet-shitty method. She is town. Oh so town. In every way possible. No matter how much it may frustrate you that she is.

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and here's the thing, you can either tell me why i should change my read now and go sort other people
or buzz off from asking me pointless hypothetical questions

Ginngie he's asking because he's scum.

Gin, if Maki was cleared, how would your reads change

gerry has a four-page iso which I'm not gonna sort through (maybe Jae can do it for me), but almost this exact fucking question. gerry asked. In Fountain.

He's scum. He's literally playing an identical fucking game. The same fucking thing to a T.

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so what is my goal here "warming up" to mastina
and how would one differentiate that from simply interacting with a close friend?

For what it's worth Ginngie.

You know just as well as I do you'd "warm up" to me as scum...

...BUT. And this is for Maki. Just fucking trust me here. When I say. That I know what Ginngie "warming up" to me looks like and this isn't it. I know what Ginngie as a scumfuck looks like when she tries to get close to me. I know what it looks like from the instant I see it. And this? This isn't it. This is the town her. Through and through.

So while Ginngie WOULD "warm up" to me as scum. This aint her warming up to me, at least not as scum.

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So would you rather take my word and also mastina's word that this simply will never work and it's been tried and tested? or do I have to go quote digging and also have mastina explain it to you in a wall? Pretty much, the only real thing to discuss is the gerry vote, agree on that?

Hey so like. Remember when you had almost this exact same dialog with Spiffeh? I do. Remember how we both thought Spiffeh was scum during it? I sure do! But even though it'd have made our lives SO much easier if he were scum. He wasn't. He was town. And so, too, is Maki town here.

Maki is town. Wrong-town. Because you are absolutely right and I back you 100% of the way RE: this not being a scum you. But town, all the same.

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I find it hard to believe scum you would never try again but maybe I'm being stubborn, So sure I'll leave the buddy aspect alone.

Oh a scum her absolutely would try again. Like. Definitively, 100%, try again no doubt about it. The thing is. She would also, 100%, no question in it...fail. She's a competent enough scum player. But against ME, she cannot play scum worth a damn. It is literally impossible for her to fool me. Because I can read her like a book.

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I still trying to wrap my head around some of these arguments. When someone yells "THIS PERSON IS 100% CLAIMED SCUM"

That's what I'm saying too, it's B.S. people just wanna be loud rn

You know I actually wasn't sure about Vaxkiller's entry.

But now?

Now I can say he's town!

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So briefly: I think Ginnige's town and the whole "they didn't understand my read" is sorta asinine, but I'm finding the SR thing kinda asinine too, if null.

This kind of fencesitting trash is also scum btw, but we've only got so many blocks we can use. Would make a fine vig target tho!

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I'd adore the opportunity to sort the other 7 players in this game, tho. Where are you guys?

Like. This is scum. Who is trying to appear useful, trying to appear productive. Without actually doing anything.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

My reads would change in the sense that I'd start looking to sort other slots as there is no need to sort Maki anymore
until then, I'm still focusing on Maki

Why aren't you trying to sort anyone else now though?

SORT WHAT
Literally no one else has posted except for 2-3 posts per person and one was just replaced.

dreal? vij? me? (you havent tried to sort me, you even admitted it)

For that matter--gerry calls out Ginngie for her lack of sorting others but ignores Ghostlin doing much the same.

Gee, I wonder why!

[NoticeMeSenpai]

What I'm seeing so far is a lot of arguing which seems to be coming from a purely meta pov.

No, gerry's actions are pure shit even without meta. Look at his "contribution" to the game thusfar and that becomes clear enough. He's not doing shit. He's posting tons. And tons. And tons. Yet saying very little with that posting. What little he

does

say is scummy-as-fuck.

He is scum. Guaranteed.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

yes, please read that game.

Oh hey this sounds familiar, too! I'll just quote myself for this one.

Logic vs insults. Let's see what wins

Indeed. I'll be sorely disappointed if your insults win though because we've shown why you're scum and your sum total reason for why we're scum?

"Because they keep pushing me as scum!"

We've given reason after reason after reason for you being scum. We've explained in multiple dimensions each of these beliefs and fleshed out their nuances. When you point out a flaw, we both acknowledge the point, and explain our stance on you in further detail where we lay out why we don't think the flaw is legitimate but even were we to concede its fairness why we continue the push anyway.

You're not scum for any one reason that you can write off as "lol" (which is exactly what you've been doing).
You're scum for EVERYTHING we've been bringing up.

So yes please do fucking read the game. And see how full of shit gerry is here and how full of shit gerry was there and how they are the exact. fucking. same. thing.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Mastina is just salty cause of that game, i can't tell if she's mafia trying to get a lynch on me or just is grudge lynching me yet.

This is the same fucking discrediting and shade throwing gerry was doing the entire fucking time during Fountain of Souls. The entire. fucking. game. He was saying shit exactly like this. Pulling bullshit descriptions of my actions out of his ass with no justification, and when proven wrong, when shown wrong, just repeating the same factoid over and over again as if the ad naseum appeal to repetition would make it fact.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

quotes
that game long af

SO fucking tempted.
SO. FUCKING. TEMPTED.
To just fucking quote our entire iso the entire game. All my posts RE: gerry, all of Jae's posts.

But fuck that shit, it's too much work right now.
Really just. READ IT. And know.

Exactly

. Why gerry is scum this game.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Gingies town here

Care to explain why?

Because I said so, duh.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Is that only a hypothetical question or...

It's a question he uses as scum as a bit of a loaded question. We refuse to answer, he accuses us of being unreasonable. We say that won't happen, he says we have confirmation bias. We DO give the options, then he latches onto those options and explains why us having those options weakens our push on him...ignoring the fact that he was the one who provided the hypothetical in the first place.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Block: Noticemesenpai

Jae is way too overzealous

It's not zealotry if it's fucking right. Jae has suffered bullshit loss after bullshit loss, side by side with me. We lost Fountain of Tired Souls in spite of having fucking NAILED the scumteam on the first fucking day and never having let up on them the entire time. We lost A Mid-scummer Night's Dream because nobody would fucking lynch the obvscum LLD when she was caught redhanded with a claim that was flagrantly false and blatantly didn't fit the facts. (Sound familiar? It should.)

They are tired of losing. And so am I. And I guaranfuckingtee you. If you don't lynch gerry, town loses this game. Period. Because he is, 100%, confirmed beyond all shadows of doubt. Scum.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I think they're jumping way too hard at gerry without there being enough content to have sorted them that hard

Fuck that shit.
I can read gerry. He keeps saying I can't. But I can.
Jae can read gerry. He keeps on insisting they can't. But they can.

gerry was scum from his entrance alone. Not horribly enough where it was damning in of itself. But then he kept posting. And that was all the proof in the world I'd have needed. gerry kept posting. Scumtell. gerry's content continued to be the same scummy shit. Scumtell. The discrediting. The shade-throwing. The pocketing attempts. The general skeeviness and sketchiness. It's his scumplay through-and-through.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I think they're jumping way too hard at gerry without there being enough content to have sorted them that hard

Honestly I think just arrogance

Honestly I think just you being scum.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

gerryoat I can never figure you out

Helpful hint.

If you can't figure out a player like gerry.

Just fucking lynch them.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Is that only a hypothetical question or...

???? lol this is a weird post.

Oh so many question marks gerry lmao.

Oh yeah btw that in of itself is scum (thanks for the reminder), buuuuuuuuut. Fucked if I know how to describe to you why. I literally would sound like a crazy person by saying "gerry is scum because he put four question marks before "lol this is a weird post". Even though it's true. gerry doesn't respond this way as town, yet I have no way of explaining how.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

My point is how is he being any different this game and how is that AI?

Because gerry as town is night and day different from gerry as scum.

And this is gerry as scum.

Tell me. What towngames have you played with gerry? Because none of them are even remotely like the shit he has here.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Dreal: the real question is what are the protown and antitown reasons Ginnigie would be fishing for role info, and is it likely to be more one than the other? Because I see no really good reason to out PRs day 1...

Still scummmmmmm.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I'm literally now confused, which generally comes when I'm trying to post between stuff since I'm trying to post while doing school stuff. Also, if yurkin was rolefishing, the last post reads as pretty fucking deflection-y.

Jesus fuck this dies after gerry does.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Oh but maki softing vt was not, right~

Ok this should be the block target. Please iso yurkin

Block: Yurkin

Probably not bussing.
Definitely still gerry scum.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

why haven't you voted to block them then? lol

Make that definitely not a bus. yurkin can be town now.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

assemblerotws: otws = of the weak sauce

you are now assembler of the weak sauce

Stupidest joke about names I've seen so far, although I intend to level out of weaksauce.

Btw this is town.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

It feels like sarcasm while at the same time an attempt to slip suspicion to maki for some reason. Idk if its deliberate but it is scummy.

In other news, Eevielution Army gets a town cookie and is probably town (although we need more posts from someone who's not Jae/gerry/Ginngie/me/Maki/Dreal/NMS).

Though I still think Ghostlin is scum, he does make a good point here for what it's worth.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Yeah I would actually love to vote Yurkin here VOTE: Yurkin.
I agree w/ Eeveelution on that particular post but all Yurkin's posts are just...off to me. Like his interactions w/ me ("bro", "lmao") all that feels really off as well. And I'm just genuinely struggling to see any contribution from him here.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Nice contentless post by the way

Pot, kettle, black.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Yeah this d1 block won't effect the game too much anyway.

The public block today when combined with any town blocking roles, on the other hand, WILL affect the game significantly. In that if we block scum, and town blocks scum, that's 2/3 scum incapacitated. Which significantly weakens their position in the game. 2/3 not gaining XP while the entire town does, 2/3 being unable to successfully kill, the third using XP to make a kill. We can almost make the game nightless! With proper role usage that is.

Assuming, of course. We don't have idiots who want to have a bad fucking case. Of deja vu.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

can we just vote to get this game moving again

Can we just get the gerry lynch?

[NoticeMeSenpai]

HURT: Yurkin

This post is bad.
And you should feel bad.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Alright. So I'm going to do this analysis as if I were catching up, so page by page. Going to skip the first few oages since they were pretty much just rvs and mechanics.

And I'll just stop you there because that's where you go wrong. They aren't. Go back and fucking read them again.

Like.

Nothing you say is worth addressing when you start with that level of wrongness.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

i dont get what hurt is, is that like blocking or what

Jesus fucking christ I wish we could have a proper lynch today because holy shit gerry needs to die so badly.

Like.

All the yurkin hurts are bad, but they're nowhere near this level of atrocious.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

[Block]

yurkin (5)- gerryoat, Vijarada, Ginngie, Vaxkiller, Raya36

[Block]

Maki Harukawa (2)- Ghostlin, Assemblerotws

[Block]

gerryoat (1)- NoticeMeSenpai

[Block]

Ginngie (1)- Maki Harukawa

[Block]

NoticeMeSenpai (1)- Dunnstral

Oh hey this looks familiar.

It's ALMOST like we went from wagoning one town player (Maki) to another town player (yurkin), while the actual fucking scum player escaped their original wagon (gerryout) unscathed!

[NoticeMeSenpai]

you not knowing what the fuck is going on still is unacceptable, would lynch you if I could

Btw.
dreal is town if anyone was wondering.
And if on no other read, at least he has this one nailed dead on the money.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

[Self-Watcher]
During the night, any player may pay 1 XP to learn who (if anybody) targeted them. If this action fails for any reason, you will receive "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result." This is an active ability, and cannot be used in conjunction with another active ability.

[Rolecop]
During the night, any player may pay 1 XP to learn the base role (without upgrades) of another player. If this action fails for any reason, you will receive "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result." This is an active ability, and cannot be used in conjunction with another active ability.

[Neighborizer]
During the night, any player may pay 1 XP to neighborize another player. They may choose whether to add the target to an existing neighborhood created with this ability or create a new neighborhood. There is no limit to the number of neighborhoods a player can be in. This is an active ability, and cannot be used in conjunction with another active ability.

So this is an easy choice.
VOTE: Rolecop.

Self-watching is useless. What are you going to catch, scum fakeclaiming their target? Scum aren't going to fakeclaim targets, they're going to realclaim targets. Town realclaiming? Pretty worthless since that doesn't confirm alignment, just role. Scum making the nightkill on you? Well there's a problem with that. It's called you fucking die so you can't exactly report the nightkill, now, can you? (It aint WATCHER, it's a SELF-watcher.)

Neighborizers

can

have utility, but are a role which are basically "looks cool in theory, but in practice is net-null or even -EV to town". In that they have the POTENTIAL to become basically-masons if neighborizing town, but it has to be used smartly, it has to be used to coordinate town actions, and the stars have to align. In contrast, scum manipulating in neighborhoods behind the scenes is just about one of the easiest ways for scum to win. (See also, great successes scum have in utilizing the role.)

Rolecops are by far the most useful of the bunch. While scum could indeed realclaim their role, it is possible for them to fakeclaim...especially if their role is something scum-centric, e.g. strongman, ninja. There's no question in my mind that rolecops are by far the most superior choice here. Speaking of superior choices,

HURT: gerryoat.
He was the best hurt yesterday, he continues to be the best hurt today.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

VOTE: role cop
self watcher is shit, role cop can get some role info from maf.

I mean.

I should also point out to be fair.

Self-watcher is worthless for both alignments.

Neighborizer is conditionally town but mostly scum.

Rolecop can be really powerful for town if scum fakeclaim/have to lie, but there is the downside in that rolecops are also scum's best friend in that a scum rolecop can be used to find town PRs. Buuuuuuuuuut. Of the three, I'm going to choose the one which has the most town utility even if that same role is also the one with the largest scum utility since town utility > scum utility. (There are three scum, there are nine town alive. We have a three-to-one advantage numbers-wise regarding role usage, soooooooooooooo. We get more out of the boost than scum do, especially since scum use XP to kill and a rolecop burns XP and by my understanding we might also have it so that scum can't both rolecop AND use a kill but I'd have to double-check the wording of the abilities and if that doesn't make it clear ask the mod.)

[NoticeMeSenpai]

[Self-Watcher]
During the night, any player may pay 1 XP to learn who (if anybody) targeted them. If this action fails for any reason, you will receive "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result." This is an active ability, and cannot be used in conjunction with another active ability.

[Rolecop]
During the night, any player may pay 1 XP to learn the base role (without upgrades) of another player. If this action fails for any reason, you will receive "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result." This is an active ability, and cannot be used in conjunction with another active ability.

[Neighborizer]
During the night, any player may pay 1 XP to neighborize another player. They may choose whether to add the target to an existing neighborhood created with this ability or create a new neighborhood. There is no limit to the number of neighborhoods a player can be in. This is an active ability, and cannot be used in conjunction with another active ability.

MOD: Does the mafia's factional nightkill count as an active ability?
I.e., can the mafia both kill and use one of these actions (not an active ability), or can they only use one?

[NoticeMeSenpai]

either the scum kill costs 1 xp or scum got xp for doing something during the day

You know I'm willing to buy this as a townslip.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Blocking him today is pointless because all he can do today is train

Hm.
This is fair.
If we had a lynch I'd lynch the fuck out of him, lack of XP be damned.

But because we don't have a lynch.
Best to block.
HURT: Ghostlin.
Could also hurt Vijarada.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

-Theoretically, this could be a vigilante (I think a vigilante would be more gated though, I think this kill was mafia.)

I'd policy-lynch any vig moronic enough to kill Ginngie since any player that stupendously idiotic would be such -EV to the town that having them unable to shoot again would undoubtedly skyrocket our chances at winning.

if it's mafia though they get to nightkill twice in a row while town doesn't get to lynch.
-I wonder about the balance implications of this? 2 mafia doesn't sound right to me, perhaps town is loaded with poewr behind upgrades?

All it takes to balance mafia getting two kills is for there to be town killstopping power equivalent to the scum killing power, e.g. doctor, roleblocker. Admittedly, it takes two killstops to have the game remain on odds rather than evens, but this is not at all impossible to achieve especially if there's more than one of said roles. For instance, Ginngie's role indirectly helped with the process, via her stealing XP from a player. If she stole XP from scum, combined with us blocking D1 and D2 removing XP from players, scum would have incredibly little XP to use to kill.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Join assamble
or do vijarada

Okay.
HURT: Vijarada.
Assemble is probtown; Vijarada is obvscum, so.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Join assamble
or do vijarada

Okay.
HURT: Vijarada.
Assemble is probtown; Vijarada is obvscum, so.

Look can you and alisae or whoever the fuck get this sorted out? Because this behaviour on me is like...epitomizing the worst parts of what hydras are and what they do. Nobody would let this shit slip from any single player.

1) It's mastina and Jae.
2) We got it sorted overnight. Turns out you conveniently ignored the fact that I was townreading you for something you didn't even do. We had a nice back and forth about your vote on gerry early game that I even mentioned to you and mastina asked me where that happened because she didn't remember it at all and it turns out.... it didn't. I somehow attributed Dunn's early gerry vote that I liked to you.
Yet... You were perfectly fine with that misconception when it meant that one head of the hydra was townreading you for it?
What's the town motivation for leaving that misunderstanding along with ignoring my attempts to engage you about your yurkin block vote yesterday? I'm not seeing it.

Had the reason I was townreading you proven faulty, which in the process of finding that I found the sketchy as fuck shadowing of Ginngie, telling yurkin that the reasoning for finding Maki scummy was the same as yours and Ginngie's and yet suddenly voting yurkin over speech patterns? There's probably a more eloquent way I could put this but I'm drunk and my point was basically that you can't keep running with a faulty memory of someone when there's two people in the slot to check each other on that shit and i think it's scummy that you tried to instead of clearing it up, and that you ignored my attempt to engage so the misconception that we were only focusing on gerry would continue. There are decent odds you're scum with gerry here.

That said I don't think you and ghostlin are BOTH scum with gerry. That's a really light VCA though in that I don't think all 3 scum piled on the counterwagon. It's not impossible but improbable I think. Unless scum decided there was going to be no accountability for the block votes should gerry flip.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I have nothing to really say right now. Will prod mastina to catch up and post but I'm sick and don't see anything productive coming out of this day phase so far. Pretty demotivated that we still can't lynch because I feel like that momentum against gerry was needed to achieve the lynch.
dreal, I need your block on someone more productive to block right now. We can try to lynch gerry tomorrow hopefully, but right now I'm looking at yesterday's block should have set him to 0 xp and prevented him from training last night. IIRC, you are in agreeance about Vij looking scummy. Care to join?

What I want out of this day phase:
- counters to Vij!scum if anyone is townreading him (a place to start would be my recentish post in response to him)
- mastina caught up
- consensus on the neighborizer vs rolecop vote (dunn I don't think your plan would work)
- raya slot replaced, caught up, and voting
- non-voters voting or giving an indicator of where they're thinking of voting

Really don't want to have to go hard defending townreads here, I'm not in the mindframe for it. Don't think dreal is scum.
If there's something people want from me specifically, ask. Otherwise i'm going to be semi here just pushing for mastina to catch up so one thing off my list is done.

Kinda want this day phase over with.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

can someone tell me why they think yurkin is town.

Well for a start? You're pushing yurkin as scum, so.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

GOD I wish we had a vig plus a lynch so that we could take out both gerry and Vijarada.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

UNVOTE: rolecop
VOTE: self-watcher[/Unvote]
Eh self watcher and rolecop have disadvantages.
Self watcher gives scum and town more equal power.

Self-watcher gives scum and town equal power, sure.
But Rolecop gives town a disproportionately high amount of power relative to scum.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

if there is only 1 mafia alive, the formation of neighborhoods can be used to prove you are not performing the kill

Unfortunately, no. The mod said that it's not public knowledge if the mafia can both kill and use actions.

I mean, with one mafia alive presumably they burn through XP at a disproportionately fast rate and thus are easier to expose/force to dry out.
But that's for different reasons altogether.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I have nothing to really say right now. I'm sick and don't see anything productive coming out of this day phase so far. Pretty demotivated that we still can't lynch because I feel like that momentum against gerry was needed to achieve the lynch.

If there's something people want from me specifically, ask. Kinda want this day phase over with.

Basically this btw.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

if there is only 1 mafia alive, the formation of neighborhoods can be used to prove you are not performing the kill

Unfortunately, no. The mod said that it's not public knowledge if the mafia can both kill and use actions.

I mean, with one mafia alive presumably they burn through XP at a disproportionately fast rate and thus are easier to expose/force to dry out.
But that's for different reasons altogether.

ok mastina told me to just post the poorly worded thing because she's playing FF7 and either can't be fucked or can't actually word it better than me. I'm guessing because she can't be fucked, personally.
Anyways.

Dunn your neighborizing plan has a few flaws, one being that we don't know if scum can kill and use actions, so if they had the xp they could just do both like mastina said but also...

You're potentially asking useful town PRs to forgo their action doing this. Which if they consider themselves useful enough, they won't play along. The run on effect from that is that the person they were supposed to neighborize will get suspicious of them. This generally comes through in interactions, which maf can then pick up on and PR hunt off of.

not..entirely sure I've made the problem I'm seeing as clear as words can make it but I just flat don't have the spoons to try to word that properly right now. Maybe someone else can word that better now that it's out there, but basically, that plan runs the risk of outing PRs. The only usefulness in the neighbourizer as I see it is the opportunity for pseudo-masonries and sharing results in them. Which is entirely reads based.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Lazy bastard, prodding us on this account but not our mains.
That's a good way for us to fail to respond to the prod ya know. >_<

I'm a bit busy today (by which, I mean, swamped: family night is tonight, and I'm behind EVERYWHERE in mafiascum among other stuff I need to do), but Jae might be able to hold the fort assuming THEY aren't too busy either. (Which is, mind you, distinctly possible.)

Though honestly given the lackluster possible content today (we did all our scumhunting yesterday, we STILL can't fucking lynch, Vijarada is the block of the day, Rolecop is the choice of the day, all of this is pretty set in stone, what's that leave us with that's left to discuss?), I'm honestly expecting that me catching up would be a waste of time. I will anyway! But I'm just. Not really expecting much. Jae probably feels similarly, and I'm sure will ping me if I'm proven wrong.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

(By catch up, I should clarify that I mean I will catch up, but not right now, I've got other stuff to do.)

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I don't like that mastina is alive and ginggie/dunnn are dead.

Have to go to work, but... ^ This is gross.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I don't like that mastina is alive and ginggie/dunnn are dead.

Why? The majority of NMS's play has been screaming how scum gerry is. The longer Gerry remains alive and NMS does, the more noise it generates for scum to hide in.

Mastina's not such an epic mafia god that scum wouldn't use that WIFOM.

And in fact, scum!gerry very recently left mastina alive and killed one of the only people (me) that wasn't going to mislynch her that game with scum's one and only kill in order to attempt to set her up as a late game mislynch, so...

Three guesses why that shade throw from Vax is bad.