"Oh lots of people were not swayed by my meta case including Thor...but" you were the one asking for it. you were saying my case would be relevant if I had strong meta that this was mulch wolf game and I showed to you it was. fuck man, I HANDED mulch to you. none of you did anything about it until cheeky started listening to me.
let me go back and you can read just how absolutely based that case was:
In post 2422, Toranaga wrote:you're limiting a read that spuns over +400 posts of his and almost a month of playing to a discussion on whether he is lying or not about what he considers proper play. and there's probably no way to know if he is lying or telling the truth about what he considers proper play because the Havo spot was very specific and unlikely to have come up in a different game.In post 2421, Thor665 wrote:Your logic is based on what opinion o fhis experience?
Like - you think he's lying about what he believes is proper play to that degree?
I find that unlikely.
I don't do that as scum, do you?
what did Mulch do that was towny? getting 'upset' and death tunneling people hits hard into his scum meta. look at this posts here: viewtopic.php?t=72581&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go his d1 posts to llama are a carbon copy of how he tunneled maria and Havo, and llama is town there as well. so his 'tone' isn't towny, there's nothing towny about death tunneling me, maria and havo. his 20 points against me are all forced reads that I can't see town!mulch bothering himself with. if he were to case me as town, he'd cut to the chase. he tried finding anything that's mildly incriminating, and he did it after I was set on him and skitter being scum. he reacted exactly in the way I'd assume scum!mulch would, when skitter is also scum. he also didn't seem to take into account my tracker claim (unchallenged by fykus) and even got to the point of scumreading both of us (two claimed town PRs! lol!). his d2 interactions with skitter are scummy and feel like scum on scum interactions. his vote on her was bad, even you agree. his 'emotions' are all reading as fake to me, especially when he death tunneled havo. he was very bothered for no reason!
there are perspective slips, hard defense of scum and hard push of town throughout the whole game. he dishonestly used the fruit vendor claim to try and locktown himself, because he literally has to have no idea what fruit vendor is to assume it's a town role... and if he has no idea what it is, he'd google it and find out it doesn't actually indicate alignment. there's noticing maria was MAJed, and the way he did it was scummy. and even today he appears to be absolutely howling.
now I could be wrong, you could be right... but you're reducing what a case on mulch would look like to a -matter of opinion in theory- instead of looking at the bigger picture, and that's pretty scummy regardless of Mulch's alignment.
In post 2423, Toranaga wrote:look at mulch overreacting to a single vote on him and death tunneling the town that dared to do it in that game. where did I see that before?
In post 2424, Toranaga wrote:in fact reading that mulch scum game: you have absolutely no basis to townread mulch here thor. his tone is extremely similar and he is bold and aggressive as scum.
In post 2426, Toranaga wrote:mulch's town game getting mislynched d1:
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72708&user_select%5B%5D=29820
a calm, recollected, rational and very towny mulch, who had so many gutreads and change of opinions that I'm very surprised he actually ate a d1 mislynch here. contrast his posts there, wagoned and lynched d1, and how reasonable he was to all of it, with his scum game when a single vote would take mulch into an angry rant + death tunnel. and then compare those two to this one.
here is another d1 mislynch he ate, much more recent:
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72397
very similar attitude to the july game! also terrible d1 lynches in both games IMO.
I skimmed others. I think the one I posted before is his only scum game I read. but when mulch is town, he is always pretty calm and seems to have a great time playing, even when wagoned. on his only other scumgame, he plays almost exactly like he did here. often pretty upset, overreacting to pushes, death tunneling players and being pretty loud and bold. as town mulch is actually trying to solve the game so his entire perspective is much different. and he doesn't even balance apparently... town mulch has gut reads, changes his opinion all the time, is very nuanced and doesn't really get overly wordy like he did here.
and you play with him, thor. why are you not scumreading him?
"Oh Thor helped lynch a scum...but" but so what. everyone alive helped scum get lynched in this game. I not only outed mulch and hammered skitter, but was not on the maria wagon and was not on the porkens wagon. you were. so you want to be townread for pushing skitter, well where the hell is my lock clear then.In post 2427, Toranaga wrote:there thor, done my homework. yes the feeling is different. and yes, I played with town mulch a few times.
"Oh multiple people including Thor were attacked by flipped scum...but" when did scum attack you again? apart from that weak ass mulch push last gameday, when exactly did that happen?
