Large Normal 208 - Fireworks Festival [End]

[Nero Cain]

nafia vig is banned. p sure SK is greenlit though.

[beeboy]

For any games entering review from this point forward, Vigilantes can only be town-aligned.

Like can a mod break this as a part of the 2 non normal roles?
I am 99% sure it's not allowed but I want to make sure.

[beeboy]

Ok Nero thanks.

[Nero Cain]

1. Alisae
2. Shiro
3. I Am Innocent
7. AxleGreaser
8. HolySpiritTurtle
9. Flubbernugget
10. beeboy
14. gerryoat
15. Whiskers
17. Nauci

like who is the scum here Joey. I mean I obviously removed those that I think are not scum and yourself since you aren't gonna call yourself scum.

[Nero Cain]

Like you obviously don't think Nauci and Whiskers are scum and Gerry just seems like his normal bad self. Both Shiro and IaI are null. Could be scum that's just not posting but that's just a shot in the dark. Alisae being scum is not really an impossibility but noth something I'm gung-ho om

that leaves.

7. AxleGreaser
8. HolySpiritTurtle
9. Flubbernugget
10. beeboy

Sans Flubber (since we are already voting him) HST seems like the scummiest out of this group.

[pienyan]

votecount 1-2.9

Flubbernugget (4) - Nero Cain, beeboy, Joey_, HolySpiritTurtle

Whiskers (3) - Alisae, Flubbernugget, Quick
UC Voyager (3) - Rhah, Nauci, gerryoat
Alisae (1) - Whiskers

Not voting (6) - Shiro, I Am Innocent, AxleGreaser, Cabd, UC Voyager, TwoInAMillion

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

Nauci is V/LA until October 23.

[pienyan]

I Am Innocent has been prodded.

[Joey_]

Why do you still im mafia again

I think you were whiteknighting, 2mil.

i dont think he even explained why he fos flubb either

I think Flubb's Whisker vote seems a little "path of least resistance"

So i was whiteknighting him since the start of the game?

[Joey_]

I think that nero had the worst reads on the table so far, objectively

Why do you town read Nauci and Whiskers?

Recently i said i was unsure on whiskers
Nauci's posts tone and some reactions feels too good and genuine to be faked from someone that is as unexperienced, i also liked some of her thought and answers to you. Lets say its a town lean

[Joey_]

1. Alisae
2. Shiro
3. I Am Innocent
7. AxleGreaser
8. HolySpiritTurtle
9. Flubbernugget
10. beeboy
14. gerryoat
15. Whiskers
17. Nauci

like who is the scum here Joey. I mean I obviously removed those that I think are not scum and yourself since you aren't gonna call yourself scum.

Why do you ask me who is mafia if youre going to not include everyone lol, i can actually try to answer if you really want

[Joey_]

Gerry/Alisae
Whiskers
HolySpiritTurtle/Nauci

the first 5 out of everyon i dont hard tr are probably those less likely to flip mefias

Shiro
I Am Innocent
Nero Cain
AxleGreaser
Flubbernugget
UC Voyager
Quick

Last group is just free for all, some had good content early but are doing nothing rn (UC), had good post but terrible reads and pushes (nero) or just null

Theres probably 3 + mefia in last group at least if im not completely dead wrong on everything

[Joey_]

I feel like i never really tried to read axe because hes hard to read, i probably could if i made an effort

[I Am Innocent]

Sorry still on page 3. Friday might be a good day to plow thru this

[UC Voyager]

catching up now...

[Joey_]

@Nero why am i not fosed for wk cabd but i am for 2mill and even dunk? You put me as a townread before the bird flip then you switched after. Why makes the wk of 2mill different than cabd'S ?

[Joey_]

Sorry still on page 3. Friday might be a good day to plow thru this

Dude there will be like 3 days left friday, just replace out if youre not going to play

[AxleGreaser]

@NERO

and avoiding this game but yeah....

My question was not optional.

@Nero

Do you have a reason to believe his earlier read was not genuine?

this is scum whiteknighting. Lets kill it.

i really dont think tiam is mefia, ill check back later cya

Do you have a reason to believe his earlier read was not genuine?

[Joey_]

@Axe i took time to answer your question, are you going to address it ever or nah

[Joey_]

@NERO

and avoiding this game but yeah....

My question was not optional.

@Nero

Do you have a reason to believe his earlier read was not genuine?

this is scum whiteknighting. Lets kill it.

i really dont think tiam is mefia, ill check back later cya

Do you have a reason to believe his earlier read was not genuine?

No basically im mafia because i knew 2mil was town when he towntold since his first post, and yes if you iso me i didnt out all my reads including the 2 mill one. It was hinted to whiskers i was hiding my reads because it helps to see interactions form w/o influencing the others via your reads. Beeboy also has the same approach as me regarding this from one of his post

[AxleGreaser]

@Flubber

Regarding >>ONLY<< this point

okay cool so now we know dunkaroo was a counterwagon to whiskers too

I had very hard look at the wagon development over time.

and while its often simply true to glibly say of two wagons end of day, if ones on town the other is on scum.
(and even that is not always right)

But for it to form as counter wagon there must be some possible people, who in some sense got on at an opportune time.
(for instance the whiskers wagon didn't exist in any real sense when HST voted. Not a counter wagon at that time.)
Indeed when you go through it in detail, you need to imaginative to see it at as a counter wagon any time.

Here is a wagon snapshot when serious pressure (remembering leading wagon probably gets killed)

Spoiler: wagon

votecount 1.22

Whiskers (5) - Flubbernugget, Rhah, Nero Cain, Alisae, beeboy

Dunkerdoodles (4) - HolySpiritTurtle, Cabd, gerryoat, TwoInAMillion
TwoInAMillion (1) - Quick
Quick (1) - AxleGreaser
HolySpiritTurtle (1) - Dunkerdoodles

Not voting (6) - Shiro, I Am Innocent, Joey_, UC Voyager, Nauci, Whiskers

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

Shiro is V/LA until October 17.

After that stuff flapped around.
1108 1126
but the extra people voting were claimed masons, and Whiskers as self preservation vote.

Calling that a counter wagon,
doesn't really seem all that plausible.

If it is, I pretty much only see gerryoat as the possible scum.
(well that and cloud cuckoo land theories)

Question:

Can you explain what makes you

think

know it is a counter wagon

[AxleGreaser]

No

Joey joey joey

The question was toooo him. I wanted to know >about him< and how >>he<< got his read on you.

Indeed if I wanted to know where your read in 453 came from Id be asking you.
If hes town he doesn't need more information from you to help him answer my question.

@Axe i took time to answer your question, are you going to address it ever or nah

yes.
I was actually using it just now.
I like good lawyer wanted to know, if Nero had tried asking, would he likely have got something productive.
(AKA I wasn't sure before my question to you, he wouldn't be able to claim asking was pointless)
Your answer in 1748 followed as good fortune with 1751
let me know that if Nero had asked it was very plausible he would have got a useful answer.

So now I want to know why Nero didnt ask, and just went with

this is scum whiteknighting. Lets kill it.

That seems like lack of curiosity about why you really defended TIAM.

---

but yes lesson learned.
Next time if I ask a question like that and get such an answer, I ought be politer and acknowledge it, if what i do with it next isn't immediately obvious.

[Joey_]

No

Joey joey joey

The question was toooo him. I wanted to know >about him< and how >>he<< got his read on you.

Indeed if I wanted to know where your read in 453 came from Id be asking you.
If hes town he doesn't need more information from you to help him answer my question.

@Axe i took time to answer your question, are you going to address it ever or nah

yes.
I was actually using it just now.
I like good lawyer wanted to know, if Nero had tried asking, would he likely have got something productive.
(AKA I wasn't sure before my question to you, he wouldn't be able to claim asking was pointless)
Your answer in 1748 followed as good fortune with 1751
let me know that if Nero had asked it was very plausible he would have got a useful answer.

So now I want to know why Nero didnt ask, and just went with

this is scum whiteknighting. Lets kill it.

That seems like lack of curiosity about why you really defended TIAM.

---

but yes lesson learned.
Next time if I ask a question like that and get such an answer, I ought be politer and acknowledge it, if what i do with it next isn't immediately obvious.

Im really really really trying to understand your content but its almost if you are half-talking to yourself, its really hard for me to understand some of your lines at all. I also knew his question was to him but nero will never admit his fos is pretty shitty

[AxleGreaser]

I also knew his question was to him but nero will never admit his fos is pretty shitty

and if he is scum why would he. In that case he knows he made it up without real reason.
but it me asking him and hearing his replies that lets me read, whether thats scummy or just wrong.

[AxleGreaser]

EBWOP

I also knew his question was to him but nero will never admit his fos is pretty shitty

and if he is scum why would he? In that case he knows he made it up without a real reason.
but by me asking him and hearing his replies, that lets me read, whether that is him being scummy or just wrong.

[Joey_]

I also knew his question was to him but nero will never admit his fos is pretty shitty

and if he is scum why would he. In that case he knows he made it up without real reason.
but it me asking him and hearing his replies that lets me read, whether thats scummy or just wrong.

Yea its anti-town to answer questions asked to others but i was mildly pissed and im fully expecting nero, regardless of alignement, to offer a really unsatisfying and underwhelming answer : )