Large Normal 208 - Fireworks Festival [End]

[pienyan]

votecount 1-2.13

Whiskers (4) - Alisae, Flubbernugget, Quick, AxleGreaser
Flubbernugget (4) - Nero Cain, beeboy, HolySpiritTurtle, Joey_

UC Voyager (3) - Rhah, Nauci, gerryoat
Alisae (1) - Whiskers
beeboy (1) - TwoInAMillion

Not voting (4) - Shiro, I Am Innocent, Cabd, UC Voyager

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

Nauci is V/LA until October 23.

[Rhah]

Still not sure whether UC was actually catching up, tried to dumbtell, or actually dumbtold

[Joey_]

Still not sure whether UC was actually catching up, tried to dumbtell, or actually dumbtold

Let him do him, whats your opinion on both leading wagons?

[Nauci]

2mill never has a good point. :/

Every point I make is a good point. I just never get any credit.

If it wasn't for Rhah I'd have voted you with so much force I'd break my keyboard

Can you take a stance between flub/whisker or propose a healthy wagon outside both, because uc wont get lynched d1

I have a habit of parking on lurkers when I'm AFK. Got back to my hotel a little while ago and just finished catching up. Analysis coming soon™

[Quick]

Still not sure whether UC was actually catching up, tried to dumbtell, or actually dumbtold

I know. Newb Lurk is the worst.

[Quick]

Good night.

[Rhah]

Still not sure whether UC was actually catching up, tried to dumbtell, or actually dumbtold

Let him do him, whats your opinion on both leading wagons?

What's your idea of the mystery healthy wagon outside of Flubber/Whiskers..? Just wondering

[beeboy]

You still aren't really pushing your scum reads and you are very actively choosing to defend yourself any chance you get instead. That strikes me as really off.

Early this game I thought you said Whiskers was scum for focusing on defending themselves rather then push scum and your saying my push is shitty?


Your saying your current vote is shit if you think my current line of reasoning is bad.

You know who gets frustrated when someone argues something they previously argued?
Scum who don't actually believe in the lines of reasoning behind the pushes they make.

Just going to put this on every page to remind everyone that Quick would rather defend themselves then push scum reads and thinks my read on him his shit and is voting whiskers for the same reason.

[beeboy]

He is genuinely 100% frustrated with my line of reasoning even though he is using it, he is effectively claimed he doesn't believe in the reasonings behind his own reads.

[Nauci]

Reads thus far:

-I don't get what all the flub fuss is about.

-Joey and Quick and Nero need to stop filling up the thread with so much useless posting.

-The next person to actively engaged TIAM's shitposting goes on my shit list immediately.

-Getting increasingly town vibes from beeboy

-Getting increasingly scum vibes from Quick

-Town vibes from Joey BUT STOP FEEDING THE TROLL JESUS CHRIST

-pissed off at the number of lurkers in this game

-for the love of God and all that is holy don't shit 30 more pages of these garbage posts let's fucking end the day

VOTE: Nero Cain

I could be persuaded onto quick or whiskers

And would love if someone could explain the flub train to me

Seriously though, all of my hardest town reads (Cabd Rhah Alisae) have either checked out of the game (almost) entirely or are being strictly anti town, and there are enough lurkers to fill an entire scum team. UGH I wish I was playing a flavored game with a lurkvig.

[Nauci]

How do we have an 83 page thread that's D1 part 2

With so little to read

[Joey_]

Still not sure whether UC was actually catching up, tried to dumbtell, or actually dumbtold

Let him do him, whats your opinion on both leading wagons?

What's your idea of the mystery healthy wagon outside of Flubber/Whiskers..? Just wondering

Prob quick tbh, i dont really see anyone else

[Joey_]

Nero isnt a bad vote either

[Nauci]

When I said I could be persuaded to vote whiskers or quick

I forgot to mention

COMRADES, JOIN ME ON THE GLORIOUS NERO LUNCH TRAIN

WE HAVE COOKIES

[gerryoat]

large normals are hard to get into. so much random spam and day 1s take forever

[Nauci]

Hmm I back off of Nero a bit after reading ISO again

-accidentally thought post 1912 was Quick instead of Nero as I was reading
-did some pushing earlier on with whiskers and Joey

I'm somewhat more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that his reads are garbage but he might not be, but his more recent posts have not been great

Felt like he got a bad impression of me because I was posting very conservative evaluations in the first 35-40 pages and has been just tunneling ever since

Nero why are you pushing flub?

[Whiskers]

Quick is really making me want to replace out as well.
It's like he is incapable of reading

and not being an asshole

sorry that part wasn't needed

I disagree

[Whiskers]

It will and do it, you said yourself you like to have a case be explicite so you can trash it, so do mine

So do I, but it's all been vague votes and weak sheeping on my wagon.

shrug

Don't know what to tell you.

Telling me the parts you agree with would be a good start.

Nope, don't feel like it. Besides, I think this line of questioning is quite odd for you.

Aaah, why isn't this lynched yet

Other people doing scumhunting and someone asks Quick a question or to volunteer information and he's all just "No, I don't want to,"
How is this permissible,

ever?

Nope, don't feel like it. Besides, I think this line of questioning is quite odd for you.

What do you even know about me?

You like to fuck around a lot.

Your just conf biasing me at this point, asking you about your reads isn't odd.

Like asking you about your reads is pretty mafia 101, you have 0 game experience with me and your saying asking about your reads is odd.

I've spent almost this entire game trying to get more in depth thoughts out of you ffs.

yes good thank you

actually damn this whole page is pretty good.

viewtopic.php?p=9680279#p9680279
Woo!

viewtopic.php?p=9680284#p9680284
WOO!!

@Axel, I'm gonna answer your question, I didn't skip it, I'm just holding it for after I finish catchup.
In this viewtopic.php?p=9680521#p9680521 You catch the exchange between gerry and Dunk regarding the line, "Is this satire or an actual read?"
What you missed in your post was that Dunk had actually admitted it was sarcasm [/i] earlier[/i] in the Day-- like, shortly after he made his initial "this is locktown" post.

I feel like i never really tried to read axe because hes hard to read, i probably could if i made an effort

I finally figured out what you're referring to when you say "axe"

[Whiskers]

? dude this shit is making me mad

-I told you that you dont explain your reads and you have shitty as reasons to have them
- You then excuse yourself by attacking the fact that i dont articulate mine very well, you do not answer to the premisse of my post
- I answer to you that i wouldnt need you to be articulate if your reads were coherent and had sens (basically idont care if you were articulate or not, thats not the point)
-You come back after the fact that im not articulate, not addressing my point twice in a row

Hurray!!
I am getting out the pom-poms as we speak.

You're a Scum lean because I ISO'd you.

-> This refer to the fact that the reason why i was a scumlean on your list, was because you isod me

Iso of me -> scumlean -> list

im pretty sure you scumlean'd me before you iso'd me and replied "nero's reasons"

-> That refer to the fact that before you isod me, you said you scumread me for Nero's reason, not my iso

Now your thought process looks like this

Nero's reasons -> scum lean -> list -> iso of me -> scum lean

Is that correct?

You are playing semantics here Joey, lets be real now.

He's really not. The first of these is how a read should look, the second one is an example of lazy sheeping followed by confirmation bias.

I think Quick backpedals on his reads when he gets into arguments with people.
He said I was a scum lean despite me being at the bottom of his read list as an act of damage control.

It has nothing to do with getting into arguments with people. It has to do with the fact that when I am arguing with people, I tend to get vibes on them about whether they are being genuine or not.

read "genuine" as "able to argue on or above Quick's level."
Because he sure as fuck didn't backpedal his scumread on me. I'm not capable enough to handle his bullshit.

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Just hit TIAM saying Joey (the star of the last 5 pages or so) "is't active" etc.
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viewtopic.php?p=9682517#p9682517
For the record Joey, I haven't actually had you as scum for a while. Not that I've posted my reads recently, but I thought I should mention it.

Why is Flubb a bad wagon, 2 mil?

The people that are on it, for one.

The players that are on it are all town. I'm not seeing why that would make it a bad wagon.

And Quick doesn't seem to care one of his top scum reads is being voted on by an inno child

I don't actually understand this. Why would he care? Why would he need to comment on it? If an ConfTown voted my top scumread, I'd nod and say to myself, "good," and go on with my day.

It's troublesome that you took cabd at face value.

Not at all, since:

the cabd issue was going to resolve itself

And if you aren't playing scared you have realy fucked priorities.

Spoiler: it's the second one.

Now I'm caught up.

[Whiskers]

@Whiskers
Earlier I asked you a question. Shortly after that it got busy, so I expect you missed it.
If its not clear please point out where and i will attempt to clarify.
There is a fair bit of writing the two questions are at the bottom.

If [open the spoiler] and then click on this <<link>> it will jump to the questions.
ta.

Spoiler: The question

@Whiskers

Hi, earlier you said this about me.

Let me just skip a page and a half of posts to Vote: Axle Greaser for being incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating.

I am fine with that being your opinion I have heard that opinion before. (joey only one of a number)
We are now playing mafia.

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Here are two posts you made a lot earlier.
I chose earlier on purpose as you were not being wagoned back then.
As balance,

I see the intent of the first as firm but helpful.

@UC villager
It's also completely fucking illegible, please write it out normally so anybody can read/quote it.
Why is there so much spam in this game already?

Axle's first post is the most cancerous shit i have ever seen in my mafia career

wooo, thank you.
Also @UCV, your "fakeclaim in RVS" is going to be used to incriminate you as town or scum later on in the game. It's very very real to breadcrumb during RVS. And if it _is_ fake, you've just introduced a whole extra angle that scum could attack you from, disctracting from

real

scumhunting when we'll need it most. RVS is RVS, but IGMEOU.

Going "I'M NEW HAHA IT WOULD JUST BE

TOOOO

EASY TO MISLYNCH ME! BECAUSE I'M SOOOOO NEW HAHA!" means that

you're self aware that you're scummy

and are trying to avoid lynch for it.

Instead, don't be scummy?

new =/= town???

The second i have some problems with.
I agree: new=/=town.
I agree he is a bit self aware

but I don't agree,

hes self aware he is scummy

. He is self aware that he is new and inexperienced
and like other very new&young players i have seen before that gets new players like that into trouble regularly.

He is not like some town!people who deliberately do scummy stuff as town for variety of reasons. (usually called reaction tests)
Those they could choose not to do.

I expect if he starts another game tomorrow (AKA not an ongoing one) he would likely be considered low hanging fruit in it.
I expect he is self aware of that.

You suggest

"Instead, don't be scummy?"

Two Questions

Do you really think a new player can achieve

Instead, don't be scummy?

Can you explain the intent of that post.

@AxelGreaser:
Yes, I think usually, if a player knows that the thing they're doing is scummy, they can stop doing it. But I went back to read Nero's "push" that UC Voyager was worried about and it was approximately "Looks like scum? Trying to be cute? idk." I reacted to Voyager the way I did 'cause I think it's bad to use "I'm a noob!" as a defense and it rang warning bells in my head. I didn't put much thought into it: Voyager probably

couldn't

have simply "not been scummy" since there wasn't really a specific thing Nero was accusing Voyager of. Although, you

could

argue that Voyager should have been trying to [not play like a newbie].

But no. Mostly I was just annoyed that Voyager had pulled the Newbie Card as a bullshit defense, that he had posted the pink-and-orange text-on-black-background, and was just taking the opportunity to yell at somebody on page 8

UC V currently reads null to me.

[Whiskers]

speaking of UC V and reads,

Masons

TwoInAMillion

- obnoxious and wrong but a mason is a mason, and we have no reason to doubt the claim RN.

Rhah

- largely non-present.

Vig

cabd

- posts look good, not necessarily frequent enough and possibly not enough scumhunting, according to some. Most discussion Day 1.0 was about his own claim (from him and from all others), Day 1.5 cabd's content has dropped considerably.

Town

Turtle

- Consistent hunting throughout, generally good posts, relatively frequent.

beeboy

- Day 1.0 had good posts, scumhunting. Parked a vote on me for reasons I do not understand. While I think there is/was scum on my wagon, I don't think it was bee.

Nauci

- a newbie who I consistently find myself nodding along in agreement to when I read her posts. If anything, her newness makes her seem more earnest. Cats rule!

Joey

- Initial bad reads early on based on his buddying with Alisae. His stuff is pretty good. He follows up (better than I do!) and has been getting frustrated for the same things that I have been, and at the same people. I like it.

Axel

- posts look good when I can read them-- which isn't always. Activity picked up considerably after the shot (Day 1.5) Not a terribly strong read, but I picked up nothing inherently scummy. Early vote was based on formatting/phrasing of a post I couldn't understand.

Gerryout

floats between these two categories. Town lean, but weakly. Feels weird. Suddenly started defending and buddying me partway through Day 1.0. That kind of behavior always makes me wary.

Null

UC Voyager

- posting style ticked me off early and did things like play the Noob Card as defense. Not much content to read IMO, nothing else inherently scummy on them.

Nero Cain

- made a big deal out of my "want to policy lynch quick" which was never stronger than a wish upon a star. Find myself disagreeing with posts often. (No specific examples come to mind, could do an ISO if needed).

(also i kind of forgot

flubbernugget

existed until the wagon happened. afaicr his only content was badvotes on me, so he goes here, too.)

AFK

IAmInnocent
Shiro

Scum Reads

Alisae

- I resent the replacing out because now literally any attack I make on Alisae's slot, the new player can go "oho well, that's just her personality!" or "I don't know what she was thinking, I'm a completely different player!" and never answer for anything. Alisae's logic was faulty, she was very loud and spammed a lot. I made her mad because I pointed out she was a hypocrite, and so she drove my wagon from 0 to the largest and most-persistent wagon of Day 1. Even if you don't read her as scum, I still think this slot is a good lynch, if only to avoid having a player replace in. (That said, we'll still need aplayer to replace IaI? so idfk.)

Quick

- Refuses to work with town, deflects or ignores all questions, is openly caustic and unhelpful, and somehow also isn't lynched. Piggybacked/sheeped Alisae to vote me.

Vote: Quick

I don't think Flub is important enough to push to lynch.

[Flubbernugget]

Read up to page 77


Somebody asked if Whiskers is scum, why they haven't given reads under pressure. Although that is a good idea to do as scum, they may not have their "reads" down well enough to be able to do such.

Nero may be trying to chainsaw people on the whiskers wagon, but that must obviously be investigated after flips.

[Rhah]

How is Nero Cain a good wagon?

[Nero Cain]

I cannot help but not read Joeys posts as an angry little kid.

made a big deal out of my "want to policy lynch quick" which was never stronger than a wish upon a star

ummmm no I didn't.

[Rhah]

Parts of 2070 that I really don't like.