TBD Mafia 2 [game over]

[ActionDan]

well I switched Eddie and Bulb's roles N1. N2 I attempted to switch Not_mafia's and Drealmz. I dunno if it worked. probably not

Also was granted the "check someone to see if they are an SK and then swap alignments + roles after" as my wish but didn't use it.

[ActionDan]

Desperado should be lynched next.

Then Llmarble/Randommidget/Drealmz.

the SK is one of snarky/Vecna.

[ActionDan]

Good luck!

[ActionDan]

But yeah lynch Desperado. He needs divine justice

[drealmerz7]

yeah, luck is really the thing here I feel like, we are not going to know wtf is what until the game is over anyway

on with the deadings!

meh, not the worst shot ever, it's his to do with, I would like reasoning for it though

[Srceenplay]

well I switched Eddie and Bulb's roles N1

If that’s the case why didn’t you say it before bulbs was shot?
Wouldn’t that have cleared Drealz?

[Srceenplay]

I’m think of going ahead and claiming.
Maybe with help we can work out my role.
Thoughts?

[chesskid3]

If that’s the case why didn’t you say it before bulbs was shot

how would this clear drealz? He said roles not alignments

[Llamarble]

If Desp was scum, he obviously shoots chesskid.
I checked with the mod and vigshots are instant so if one vig shot the other retaliation was not possible.
The horrible possibilities essentially involved one vig shooting the other because of threats and things.

[Srceenplay]

If that’s the case why didn’t you say it before bulbs was shot

how would this clear drealz? He said roles not alignments

Ok.
I was thinking of them as one of the same. I suppose you are right and the are two separate things.

[chesskid3]

that would be stupid broken as the now town scum woudl just out the scumteam...

[chesskid3]

If Desp was scum, he obviously shoots chesskid.
I checked with the mod and vigshots are instant so if one vig shot the other retaliation was not possible.
The horrible possibilities essentially involved one vig shooting the other because of threats and things.

o true I did out I was going to shoot eddie for like 2 days before I did it

[drealmerz7]

Desperado should be lynched next.

Then Llmarble/Randommidget/Drealmz.

the SK is one of snarky/Vecna.

no idea why you think I should be killed at this point at all

I pushed and pushed dunker and I called for eddie to be shot

and, I've been so fucking town otherwise since way before all that

duhfuck?

[drealmerz7]

pancakes are better than waffles

reason #14

pancakes give you FLIPS

c'mooooooonnnnn FLIP!

[Chickadee]

pancakes are better than waffles

reason #14

pancakes give you FLIPS

c'mooooooonnnnn FLIP!

YOU FLIP WAFFLES TOO


AND WAFFLES ARE BETTER BECAUSE THEY CREATE POCKETS OF BUTTERY SYRUPY GOODNESS

[Alisae]

no French Toast is better

Fuck all of you

[Chickadee]

ALI WE'RE NOT FRIENDS ANYMORE








BUT LEGIT, I MADE SOME FRECNH TOAST OUT OF SOME BREAD I MADE A WHILE BACK, AND IT WAS PRETTY GOOD

[Alisae]

I can eat any of those things btw besides these paleo pancakes I make

[Vecna]

If what actiondan just claimed is true, then snarky was most likely lying and he could be the sk

[Alisae]

yeah 7 factions is bs

AGAIN

[Alisae]

its funny because he said the same thing in the first tbd when he was scum.

[Vecna]

Also if this game started with 5 scum, and actiondan flips town, were now in lylo if survivors were to side with scum

[Vecna]

If Desp was scum, he obviously shoots chesskid.
I checked with the mod and vigshots are instant so if one vig shot the other retaliation was not possible.
The horrible possibilities essentially involved one vig shooting the other because of threats and things.

Doing this would still be a surefire way to get the both of them lynched regardless though

[Vecna]

BULBAZAK
triple fruit vendor

you win when all players that oppose the town are eliminated.

each night, you can target three players. each of those players will receive a message that says "you just got fruit vended!"

DUNKERDOODLES
"scrum me hard, Keith!" mafia ultra-macho reverse questionnaire role cop backup*12 day 3 vigilante 1 shot day bulletproof

you win the game when no one who opposes the mafia is alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

you're a member of the "scrum me hard, Keith!" mafia, along with [one or more players]. you can communicate with [that player or those players] here:

you're ultra-macho, which means that if any other member of the mafia would die at night, you'll die instead, and you are immune to any actions that would protect you from death.

each night, you can target a player to attempt to learn that player's role. I will then send you 4 questions from the questionnaire, at most one of which will have been submitted by your target. you will then guess whether any of the questions were written by that player, and if so, which one, and if you got it right, you will learn that player's role.

your faction also has access to a kill each night. you may freely use your kill along with any other powers that you have access to.

if the day 3 vigilante, the backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, and the backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante die, you will become the day 3 vigilante.

the first time you would die as a result of being killed by another player during the day, you will instead not die.

So these two are the scum roles we know so far. The fruit vendor we dont really know if it does something, but noone seems to have died from it N1 and noone has flipped with a fruit allergy yet (Im assuming it usually work the way it does in double deck?), but im not sure if potential hidden modifiers are revealed on flip (

Mod; do all hidden modifiers get revealed on flip?

We've seen a miller so far I think, but im not sure if that one was hidden or not.

The second is a rolecop that requires knowledge of what questions people have submitted. Setup-design-wise this type of ability would work rather well with a neighbourizing ability, so RM having a N1 neighbourhood could be a thing. This role also had what I would interpret as a negative utility, since any other scum dying at night would reveal 2 scum to the shooter. Added on top is a 1shot day-BP. Unless this ability was gained from a wish, it makes very little sense for a scum to have day-BP if the only opposing day-vig is on a survivor. This mechanically means its quite likely that desperado is town.

These two roles have pretty much no scum utility, and compared to all the town PR's we've seen flying around id rate them pretty weak. So the quesiton then is; Are there 3 scum left and did scum start with only moderate powers as a 5person team, or they started as a 4player team (makes more sense with so many survivors) and there are two strong scum PR's left.

Another thing to note; If scum consisted of 5 players, they couldve already forced a win today by just talking to the survivors and asking them to shoot/vote with them (4+2 = 50% of 12). So in all likelyhood were looking at two more scum, and theyre most likely gonna be the ones having the roleblocks, strongmen, and "pretend-to-be-town" abilities that are common to most setups (ofcourse this being a weird one, it could work out totally different). If drealmerz is speaking the truth, there mustve been some type of roleblocking ability used against him on N2 since EddieFenix had nothing that couldve messed his result up - so at least a remaining roleblocker on scum is pretty much confirmed.

And just to drive my earlier point home; It makes no sense for there to be another bulletproof + 3rd party cop on scum, while those type of abilities are already present on the scumteam. Nor does it make sense for there to be an insane cop on the scumteam (allthough fakeclaims -could- be a thing, but it makes literally no sense for drealmerz to do such a thing at that stage of the game). As stated earlier, mechanically it makes very little sense for Desperado to be scum either.

[Vecna]

Btw Alisae, I think you should hop into the game now. Were gonna be needing your vote