Newbie 1828: Utopia! - Game Over!

[darrenwoodward10]

Unfortunately, penguin_alien will have to be replaced. Searching for a replacement.

What? Aww, I wanted to hear her argument.
I'm here by the way, just formatting and making a few tweaks to my next post. It's a big one.

[darrenwoodward10]

Can someone help me out? I want to put a bunch of text in the spoiler tag but the last bit of text shows outside of the spoiler tag. I deleted the last bit and now the bit before appears outside the spoiler tag. The last bit of text is definitely before the "[/spoiler]" tag.

[acidphoenix]

VOTE: porkens

vote 1

I think if we vote Darren / porkens / penguins sub in some order we just win

I'll entertain nauci is scum arguments but will probably retail. Her there

[Porkens]

State your case.

[acidphoenix]

I think the way you hammered and the weirdness post hammer was super bad

and don't care enough to go beyond that because I think if we Lynch everyone except me/ari/nauci I think we just win

also cause Danganronpa just ended and fuck how that game ended

[Porkens]

Are you suggesting that I pushed on and lynched my partner day 1?

[northsidegal]

agreeing with penguin and acid here - next lynches are likely the noodle slot and darren in some order. if that doesn't win the game i would probably say porkens, although i would take another look at acid as well. for now it's waiting on darren's big post and noodle's replacement's replacement. a bit unfortunate penguin's replacing out, i really liked her analysis. town points to that slot for it.

i suppose while we're here we should discuss the nightkill. main questions to ask: who inferno did inferno suspect the most, who foresaw that inferno was the tracker and who would have wanted to silence him the most. personally it seems to me like the answer to questions one and three is porkens - i'll have to reread isos to see if there's any hint that porkens read inferno as the tracker, but in terms of wanting silence porkens would be the one to kill inferno. now that he was functionally a cop, inferno would want to investigate one of his major scumreads to either confirm his suspicions or allow him to shift his focus elsewhere. a scum porkens couldn't allow that.

[Aristophanes]

Wow, that nightkill!
Like, there could not have been a better kill, as any movement would be a 100% confscum verdict!

However, we are still in an extremely good situation!
I'll do some looking through Gorny's Iso for associatives. I'm not sold on it not being Porkens, as that quickhammer, though not a good idea for a scumbuddy, could have been a distancing attempt.
Also, I'm glad it hit scum, but WTF Porkens! That is not good role modeling!

Anyway, I'll do this at some point over the weekend. I'll be busy until Sunday I think.

[northsidegal]

Wow, that nightkill!
Like, there could not have been a better kill, as any movement would be a 100% confscum verdict!

However, we are still in an extremely good situation!
I'll do some looking through Gorny's Iso for associatives. I'm not sold on it not being Porkens, as that quickhammer, though not a good idea for a scumbuddy, could have been a distancing attempt.
Also, I'm glad it hit scum, but WTF Porkens! That is not good role modeling!

Anyway, I'll do this at some point over the weekend. I'll be busy until Sunday I think.

i thought something similar regarding the quickhammer. often times scum will self-hammer if they know there's nothing they can do to prevent their own lynch. i think it's entirely possible to read porkens' hammer as a sort of team "self-lynch". if scum porkens had the idea that there was nothing to be done to stop a gorny lynch, the quickhammer makes total sense - gain town cred for hammering scum while at the same time cutting discussion short. i'm not really familiar with porkens as a player so i can't say if quickhammers are within his meta or not, but if this is one of the only ones i'd say the argument becomes a little bit more compelling.

also i didn't really mention it, but i definitely agree on the night kill. if scum have any chance at all of winning this it's probably because of that kill.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2-2

Niccolò Machiavelli's

The Prince

, posited a perfect Rennaissance ruler. Though not exactly the sort of leader a Utopian society would raise up, Machiavelli dealt with something that most Utopian literature glosses over -- how do you get from current reality to a perfect society?

Porkens

(1): acidphoenix

Not Voting

(6): penguin_alien, Nauci, Aristophanes, northsidegal, Porkens, darrenwoodward10

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: November 3, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-11-02 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- Searching for a replacement for penguin_alien
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[acidphoenix]

hm I miscounted

bleh now I need

a clear that takes actual effort

I mean that clear is probably just nsg but

[Porkens]

I told you he was scum all day.

If you somehow turn this around on me and lynch me today, then I hope you pay careful attention to each nudge in that direction.

[acidphoenix]

so did I? I don't see the point here

and yes I am implying that

[Porkens]

I'm not scumreading you for it, that's th e point.

[Porkens]

What are you implying?

[Nauci]

There's a chance that Porkens is scum who bussed his partner, but it's quite low considering how the only reason Gorny was on my radar was because of all the responses Porkens forced out of him (although he sealed the deal by making such a shit quality push on me). It would only be reasonable to consider Porkens doing that if he was 100% sure inferno was the tracker. It's 5 AM and I have to work another 17 hour work day in 3 hours so I didn't finish reading inferno ISO but I couldn't figure out how he crumbed it on accident if he did; when game is complete I'd really love to see the role blocker explain that read or nk choice for learning purposes.

I'm quite happy to lunch Darren as a start. We're in a good position we can afford to be wrong and I've had bad vibes about him the whole time.

[Nauci]

Oops I forgot a thing

Voting now because I won't be back for a while

Please don't hammer until he's been given a reasonable amount of time to megapost

VOTE: darrenwoodward10

[Nauci]

Ffery I just love your flavor content

Unless Machiavelli is a crumb for Porkens lmao

I don't think an IC would bus a newb that hard, and I'm not sorry for metaing.

[acidphoenix]

eh

hmm

[fferyllt]

UnaBombaH replaces penguin_alien. Please welcome him!

[UnaBombaH]

Here I am.
I'm going to write a more proper catch-up tomorrow, but I have read up to date earlier today, so I have a firm belief of who the scum is.

Unless significant changes happen when I do separate ISOs, I'm not satisfied with any other lynches than this.

VOTE: darrenwoodward10

[Porkens]

Thanks for replacing in Una.

Seems like a pretty healthy hop-on you just did there.

I'll wait for your proper catchup.

[northsidegal]

so it seems like most people who want a darren lynch today are just using process of elimination as their reasoning. not to imply i have a problem with ths, but does anyone have a real case they'd like to make?

[Porkens]

Acid, are you scum?

[Chisa Yukizome]

yes