Large Normal 208 - Fireworks Festival [End]

[pienyan]

votecount 1-2.19

Quick (7) - Whiskers, Cabd, beeboy, gerryoat, UC Voyager, Nauci, Flubbernugget

Flubbernugget (5) - HolySpiritTurtle, MathBlade, Joey_, Rhah, Quick
Whiskers (2) - AxleGreaser, Nero Cain
UC Voyager (1) - TwoInAMillion

Not voting (2) - Shiro, I Am Innocent

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

Nauci is V/LA until October 23.

[Flubbernugget]

How is that relevant?

[Quick]

There is polly Scum in Whiskers or Flubber.

[Nauci]

Hey Nero do you have any new reasons for scum reading me because last I heard it was still because I wanted to policy lunch someone who refused outright to read a 30 page thread and also because newness doesn't make me not a target. Does newness make me a target or am I posting other scummy posts? You don't even have to tell me which posts it just feels like you haven't changed your read of me since page 40.

[Flubbernugget]

Hey quick

Chew chew

[Quick]

I agree with beeboy's thoughts on quick. I can't remember if I already said this, but I don't like that he was frustrated by the game pace but also posting in a way contributing to it. Not as prominent with alisae replacing out but still relevant imo.

You said what I said at the beginning is what you would expect from me or something like that. What changed?

[AxleGreaser]

Let me just skip a page and a half of posts to

Vote: Axle Greaser

for being incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating. Was going to hop on Ali wagon but this is insufferable. Meanwhile,
FOS Cabd for the soft Vig/SK claim, FOS UC Voyager for the

overt

SK claim, which, while I don't buy (because he claimed "Town-Aligned SK"), regular SKs, and Day-Vigs (where being one doesn't necessarily clear him) are quite likely, and I think it's a breadcrumb.

Ahh, it's all coming back to me now...

I am not seeing the scum motivation here to outing Cabd as some crumb. So someone explain to me why the whiskers wagon is a thing?

...People on the Whiskers wagon explain this please.

Damn. I tried putting the reasons here, but nested spoilers dont work.

My reasons are in 2142

In it is part of an ongoing discussion with Whiskers about his posts.
The TLDR is now here in bold.

I have some other issues with your ISO, back in the range From about 253 Onwards.

Spoiler:

defending self example

(see spoiler in the link)


Spoiler:

Filler

(see spoiler in the link)

Basically, I see you playing in the thread in that part of the game, dont see your towny intent.

My question I suppose is can you explain whats going on so I see the towny intent?

And so far, I haven't manage to see that range of posts (from the quoted one on up to his reads list) as having towny intent.
and my problem with that was there were so many opportunities to ask questions probe and try to find things out but it just kept not happening.

and yes it is a judgement call, but I still see them as the best most likely to flip scum wagon.

[Quick]

Hey quick

Chew chew

This is a pointless post. One of the few posts you have made that is pointless. This lets me know where your head is, so thanks for that.

[Nero Cain]

I kind of want to wait for IaI and Shiro and Math to catchup but I don't think that'll happen and I agree that a 90+ page d1 as it is. If I'm wrong and he flips scum great but I'm not gung-ho about it.

VOTE:Quick

That's L-1, no one hammer until he claims and ppl get in their last thoughts. And if he's scum then he can self-hammer if he wants.

[Quick]

I kind of want to wait for IaI and Shiro and Math to catchup but I don't think that'll happen and I agree that a 90+ page d1 as it is. If I'm wrong and he flips scum great but I'm not gung-ho about it.

VOTE:Quick

That's L-1, no one hammer until he claims and ppl get in their last thoughts. And if he's scum then he can self-hammer if he wants.

VT. Not going to self hammer.

[Quick]

I'd start looking at my counter wagons.

[Quick]

There are like at least 3 people who are voting me who haven't given a single reason for why I am Scum. I will name them:

Nero
Gerry
Cabd

Just so you all know.

[Nero Cain]

I heard it was still because I wanted to policy lunch someone who refused outright to read a 30 page thread

you know, this is not something I said and its weird 'cause it's the same thing that Whiskers accused me of. Its like someone in ya'lls scum pt wrote that I did that and you guys are running with it.

[Flubbernugget]

I agree with beeboy's thoughts on quick. I can't remember if I already said this, but I don't like that he was frustrated by the game pace but also posting in a way contributing to it. Not as prominent with alisae replacing out but still relevant imo.

You said what I said at the beginning is what you would expect from me or something like that. What changed?

I expected your frustration. I did not expect you posting in a way that would just end up contributing to that frustration.

[Nero Cain]

voting me who haven't given a single reason for why I am Scum. I will name them:

Nero

You are such a VI that in a way I don't really care if you die.

[Quick]

voting me who haven't given a single reason for why I am Scum. I will name them:

Nero

You are such a VI that in a way I don't really care if you die.

Well, that sucks now I have to blacklist you.

[Quick]

I agree with beeboy's thoughts on quick. I can't remember if I already said this, but I don't like that he was frustrated by the game pace but also posting in a way contributing to it. Not as prominent with alisae replacing out but still relevant imo.

You said what I said at the beginning is what you would expect from me or something like that. What changed?

I expected your frustration. I did not expect you posting in a way that would just end up contributing to that frustration.

You're full of shit.

[Nero Cain]

Well, that sucks now I have to blacklist you.

I'm okay with that! Like I literally just got done saying I don't think you are likely to flip scum but there's always a chance that I'm wrong. + I think we've eked out maybe the maximum amount of info for the day. It's pretty annoying how you lash out and I've just stopped caring.

If you flip scum then I'm going to reread this game.

If you flip town then I'm pushing for a whiskers-Nauci lynch tomorrow.

[Quick]

Well, that sucks now I have to blacklist you.

I'm okay with that! Like I literally just got done saying I don't think you are likely to flip scum but there's always a chance that I'm wrong. + I think we've eked out maybe the maximum amount of info for the day. It's pretty annoying how you lash out and I've just stopped caring.

If you flip scum then I'm going to reread this game.

If you flip town then I'm pushing for a whiskers-Nauci lynch tomorrow.

You realize why I am blacklisting you right?

[Whiskers]

Like I said, ONLY YOU, NERO CAIN, HAVE GIVEN ANY REASONING FOR A FLUBBER VOTE/WAGON. Random sheeping or votes without explanation are bad. They're wholly bad.

i invented the flubber wagon thingy
I exposed my reasons on a few posts, want me to reiterate them ?

Yes, please do.
I got the feeling that you probably had reasons, you just never listed them. When I ISO'd you, I didn't find them, at least.

Going "I'M NEW HAHA IT WOULD JUST BE

TOOOO

EASY TO MISLYNCH ME! BECAUSE I'M SOOOOO NEW HAHA!" means that you're self aware that you're scummy and are trying to avoid lynch for it.
Instead, don't be scummy? new =/= town???

I want to point out that Nauci is even newer than VC Voyager.

Oh the irony.

I'm glad somebody finally pointed this out.
Although I already mentioned it to

Nero Cain

somebody when answering his questions before, iirc.

My reasons for thinking Whiskers could be scum are:

possible Joey-Whiskers team. Joey went batshit crazy when I, Dunk and supposedly Quick (I haven't looked to confirm.) voted him but calm when Whiskers did. Buddy interaction?

Let me give you a hint why Joey went batshit crazy: Quick.

I am not a fan of the "Nauci is a noob, ignore her today." argument. I think my biggest issue with this is...like she's arguing that we have META on all these other players and therefore we should ignore scummy content from Nauci and focus on experienced players and those that we do have meta on. I think its a bad argument in and of itself but the biggest issue is that she is ok with me pushing Nauci tomorrow. We are not going to have meta on Nauci after a night phase. I'm not seeing a difference between a Nauci push d1 and a Nauci push d2.

Because, whether or not the information we have is directly alignment indicative, we can still ANALYZE her INTERACTIONS with the flipped wagons and with other players. You

can't

rely on meta for her. And IMO you shouldn't rely on meta arguments for anybody, basically ever, but a lot of players are.
Further, the "scummy content" you're talking about all came from like, the first 10-20 pages. If you still think she's scummy, build a case on her. I'll listen.

Actually, we should consider the fact that this is noobscum covering for the partner. If Million flips scum, I'll want to look hard at you next.

this kinda worries me in hindsight. It's one of those classic bus buddy push town.

"bus buddy push town?" Isn't bussing when a scum pushes their buddy?

I'm going to be passed out for the next day on Benadryl because I am covered in massive hives. One of them is roughly the size of a women's shoe.

Yaaaay, Twitch-Con!

[beeboy]

part of me thinks Quick could just be unsortable, but that doesn't really make me want to not Lynch him.
Like there is just a vast amount of hypocrisy in his posts.

[beeboy]

Has Quick claimed?

[Whiskers]

Hey Nero do you have any new reasons for scum reading me because last I heard it was still because I wanted to policy lunch someone who refused outright to read a 30 page thread and also because newness doesn't make me not a target. Does newness make me a target or am I posting other scummy posts? You don't even have to tell me which posts it just feels like you haven't changed your read of me since page 40.

This, lol.

Nauci why do we always make the same posts?

[Quick]

part of me thinks Quick could just be unsortable, but that doesn't really make me want to not Lynch him.
Like there is just a vast amount of hypocrisy in his posts.

There is not hypocrisy. Its just that I assume people know where I am coming from when I say something. So it appears like a contradiction, but its not, but people think it is because I haven't explained my thought process in a way that people understand. Part of this is that I notice things that other people don't think is significant or don't pay attention to. So when I state a reason for something, my initial reasons are not good enough because people don't understand the point. Then I have to try and figure out how to say it so people understand, which works about half the time. I understand this is a problem with me since I have had this problem since my first game I ever played. People just don't understand me and I am not sure what I can do about it at this point. I have asked people if they would give me advice on how to fix this and no one has any answers really. So I am just left wondering what I can say or how I can say something without knowing what people will be able to understand from me or not.

[Quick]

Has Quick claimed?

I kind of want to wait for IaI and Shiro and Math to catchup but I don't think that'll happen and I agree that a 90+ page d1 as it is. If I'm wrong and he flips scum great but I'm not gung-ho about it.

VOTE:Quick

That's L-1, no one hammer until he claims and ppl get in their last thoughts. And if he's scum then he can self-hammer if he wants.

VT. Not going to self hammer.

Its on the same fucking page Beeboy.