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[Quick]

In the meantime do you think we lose anything by extending the Day phase to it's full length? Both so Shiro/IaI can catchup, and so we can do things like interrogate UC Voyager or whomever?

You will prolly get nothing out of UCV, which tells me he's prolly Town.

[Whiskers]

In the meantime do you think we lose anything by extending the Day phase to it's full length? Both so Shiro/IaI can catchup, and so we can do things like interrogate UC Voyager or whomever?

You will prolly get nothing out of UCV, which tells me he's prolly Town.

wouldn't "doesn't respond to questioning" mean he's more likely to be evasive scum?

Also, what's your read on Alisae slot?

[pienyan]

votecount 1-2.21

Quick (7) - Whiskers, Cabd, gerryoat, UC Voyager, Nauci, Flubbernugget, Nero Cain

Flubbernugget (5) - HolySpiritTurtle, MathBlade, Joey_, Rhah, Quick
Whiskers (1) - AxleGreaser
UC Voyager (1) - TwoInAMillion

Not voting (3) - Shiro, I Am Innocent, beeboy

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

Nauci is V/LA until October 23.

[TwoInAMillion]

In the meantime do you think we lose anything by extending the Day phase to it's full length? Both so Shiro/IaI can catchup, and so we can do things like interrogate UC Voyager or whomever?

You will prolly get nothing out of UCV, which tells me he's prolly Town.

You think not scumhunting is pro town?

[Quick]

In the meantime do you think we lose anything by extending the Day phase to it's full length? Both so Shiro/IaI can catchup, and so we can do things like interrogate UC Voyager or whomever?

You will prolly get nothing out of UCV, which tells me he's prolly Town.

wouldn't "doesn't respond to questioning" mean he's more likely to be evasive scum?

Also, what's your read on Alisae slot?

Can't talk about UCV for raisins. And the fact that you are going after him and not, say, IAI or Chara is telling as well. Chara needs to be replaced, period.

IDK what my read on Mathblade is. IDK why you care either.

[Quick]

In the meantime do you think we lose anything by extending the Day phase to it's full length? Both so Shiro/IaI can catchup, and so we can do things like interrogate UC Voyager or whomever?

You will prolly get nothing out of UCV, which tells me he's prolly Town.

wouldn't "doesn't respond to questioning" mean he's more likely to be evasive scum?

Also, what's your read on Alisae slot?

Can't talk about UCV for raisins. And the fact that you are going after him and not, say, IAI or Shiro is telling as well. Shiro needs to be replaced, period.

IDK what my read on Mathblade is. IDK why you care either.

Shiro, my bad.

[AxleGreaser]

Spoiler: Clearing this up == oops sorry

So was that a waste of your fucking time?
Nope. We are now talking, you see I am not just railroading you, and then I possibly have more questions.

They wont be railroading you either.

I don't really understand this. Did I say this would be a waste of my fucking time? :\

Sorry didn't mean to imply that. I was answering hypothetical question. I had an even with joey a while ago where he go upset with me seemingly wasting his time i was trying to avoid that.

You also at no point suggested i was railroading you.
This:

They wont be railroading you either.

is assurance you can hold me accountable for it if I do.

dealing with an example of defending self without displaying towny curiosity.

Spoiler: defending

I have some other issues with your ISO, back in the range From about 253 Onwards.
<area>

i just ctrl+f "angry" on alisae's iso and he never mentionned you being angry : )

This feels just as faked as Whisker's Anger.

Get rekt, scrub.

I find too many posts like this where you defend yourself.

and fine you are meant to do that.
and yes a bit later you had a vote on, Alisae.

but this does not feel to me like you are trying to work out Alisae

or trying to drive that scum case forward.
Having fended them off you feel Happy with just that.

I know that as that is my feel read kind of thing, there is perhaps nothing you can really say.
You are busy, but if you want to talk me off that point, but i think its unlikely you could go back remember what you were doing as a towny and explain it more.</area>

My push on Alisae wasn't getting traction. Nobody was willing to look at her while I pushed, and my push was largely a hypocritical push on me and otherwise having bad logic. Plus posts like the "get rekt" one, I was 2v1 and appreciated being able to wave a mistake in their face.

From memory: I agree I believe i saw these happen:

push on Alisae wasn't getting traction

,

Nobody was willing to look at her

It also looked like you

appreciated being able to wave a mistake in their face.

and while it those things

but this does not feel to me like you are trying to work out Alisae

which is my problem with those posts is still true.

continued answering rest of post 2382 still coming in next post (or there abouts)

[Quick]

Spoiler: Clearing this up == oops sorry

So was that a waste of your fucking time?
Nope. We are now talking, you see I am not just railroading you, and then I possibly have more questions.

They wont be railroading you either.

I don't really understand this. Did I say this would be a waste of my fucking time? :\

Sorry didn't mean to imply that. I was answering hypothetical question. I had an even with joey a while ago where he go upset with me seemingly wasting his time i was trying to avoid that.

You also at no point suggested i was railroading you.
This:

They wont be railroading you either.

is assurance you can hold me accountable for it if I do.

dealing with an example of defending self without displaying towny curiosity.

Spoiler: defending

I have some other issues with your ISO, back in the range From about 253 Onwards.
<area>

i just ctrl+f "angry" on alisae's iso and he never mentionned you being angry : )

This feels just as faked as Whisker's Anger.

Get rekt, scrub.

I find too many posts like this where you defend yourself.

and fine you are meant to do that.
and yes a bit later you had a vote on, Alisae.

but this does not feel to me like you are trying to work out Alisae

or trying to drive that scum case forward.
Having fended them off you feel Happy with just that.

I know that as that is my feel read kind of thing, there is perhaps nothing you can really say.
You are busy, but if you want to talk me off that point, but i think its unlikely you could go back remember what you were doing as a towny and explain it more.</area>

My push on Alisae wasn't getting traction. Nobody was willing to look at her while I pushed, and my push was largely a hypocritical push on me and otherwise having bad logic. Plus posts like the "get rekt" one, I was 2v1 and appreciated being able to wave a mistake in their face.

From memory: I agree I believe i saw these happen:

push on Alisae wasn't getting traction

,

Nobody was willing to look at her

It also looked like you

appreciated being able to wave a mistake in their face.

and while it those things

but this does not feel to me like you are trying to work out Alisae

which is my problem with those posts is still true.

continued answering rest of post 2382 still coming in next post (or there abouts)

I sorta feel like you are obsessed with covering old ground.

[AxleGreaser]

I sorta feel like you are obsessed with covering old ground.

My reasons for voting him included the statement they were open for him to talk to me about.
He did i am being good to my word.
I suggested it was not the most efficient way if he was towny to show that he was.

Its just this time i dont think there is an explanation that is going to change my view.
It would also get long and bogged down as there are other examples.

My vote is on whiskers. It is my current ground.

[Whiskers]

but this does not feel to me like you are trying to work out Alisae

Work

what

out? Whether she's town or scum?

She spammed, attacked with hypocrisy and faulty logic, then later came around to have the same views that did. She used arguments from player meta almost exclusively. She attacked me for posts "feeling fake" which is not something you can support with evidence.

What about this is town?

[Whiskers]

Can't talk about UCV for raisins. And the fact that you are going after him and not, say, IAI or Chara is telling as well. Chara needs to be replaced, period.

IDK what my read on Mathblade is. IDK why you care either.

Are those raisins you can explain? Considering there's a good chance you're about to be lynched? If not I won't fuckin' bother but there's a decent chance Voyager is a future lynch/vig, so if there's something that

only you know

((as a VT??)) then I think you should report it.

I care what your read on the Alisae slot is because of the reasons I listed the first time I asked.
I care because you gave reads on other nicely-tangled slots but not on her.

[Whiskers]

She attacked me for posts "feeling fake" which is not something you can support with evidence.

You can't even defend against this, this is like attacking somebody for being a cat person. It's

so

stupid.

[Quick]

Can't talk about UCV for raisins. And the fact that you are going after him and not, say, IAI or Chara is telling as well. Chara needs to be replaced, period.

IDK what my read on Mathblade is. IDK why you care either.

Are those raisins you can explain? Considering there's a good chance you're about to be lynched? If not I won't fuckin' bother but there's a decent chance Voyager is a future lynch/vig, so if there's something that

only you know

((as a VT??)) then I think you should report it.

I care what your read on the Alisae slot is because of the reasons I listed the first time I asked.
I care because you gave reads on other nicely-tangled slots but not on her.

That's because Alisae (slot) was out of the game for quite a while, while we were waiting on a replacement. I don't have enough to gauge Math yet. I am disappointed that he cut his catchup so sort and that is mildly Scummy in and of itself IMO.

What I was contemplating with Alisae is that I have seen Alisae attack me as soon as possible and then end up Town reading me. He did this when He was Scum and I was Town. There is also the whole BS thing regarding the logical fallacy he made regarding how previous engagements have something to do with the way he should read me in the future.

[Joey_]

Random sheeping or votes without explanation are bad. They're wholly bad.

my point is that...I just feel like "hey, this wagon blows." "but I'm not suspicious of anyone on the wagon." is like talking out of both sides of your mouth.

I don't think Quick is mafia. I'd vote UC but that's probably not happening so I'd vote Whiskers.

I'd be potentially down for UC but he's in my same "bad town" pile as Quick. Like mafia is a game of endurance so there's some utility in getting rid of distractions. There's also the possibility that I'm wrong so eh...

My reasons for thinking Whiskers could be scum are:

possible Joey-Whiskers team. Joey went batshit crazy when I, Dunk and supposedly Quick (I haven't looked to confirm.) voted him but calm when Whiskers did. Buddy interaction?

I am not a fan of the "Nauci is a noob, ignore her today." argument. I think my biggest issue with this is...like she's arguing that we have META on all these other players and therefore we should ignore scummy content from Nauci and focus on experienced players and those that we do have meta on. I think its a bad argument in and of itself but the biggest issue is that she is ok with me pushing Nauci tomorrow. We are not going to have meta on Nauci after a night phase. I'm not seeing a difference between a Nauci push d1 and a Nauci push d2.

Actually, we should consider the fact that this is noobscum covering for the partner. If Million flips scum, I'll want to look hard at you next.

this kinda worries me in hindsight. It's one of those classic bus buddy push town.

She also has alot of posts that are this kind of reprimanding ppl and I actually think that comes from scum alot.

There's one other thing that I'm loathe to out since I'm worried that it might out someone but I'll do it tomorrow if she doesn't get lynched.

But then a Nauci-Joey-Whiskers team is probs not a thing but I can't help the way I feel.

I literally told you exactly why my reaction was different for whiskers va you and quick. If you dont even give a shit about people’s answers i might just end up lynching you for that

[Joey_]

I'm caught up, but that was by half assed skimming the the thread.

I agree with beeboy's thoughts on quick. I can't remember if I already said this, but I don't like that he was frustrated by the game pace but also posting in a way contributing to it. Not as prominent with alisae replacing out but still relevant imo.

quick

I caught you asking about my scum read on you so here you go.

VOTE: quick

I see the survivalist mentality, and this day needs to end.

The irony

[Joey_]

I kind of want to wait for IaI and Shiro and Math to catchup but I don't think that'll happen and I agree that a 90+ page d1 as it is. If I'm wrong and he flips scum great but I'm not gung-ho about it.

VOTE:Quick

That's L-1, no one hammer until he claims and ppl get in their last thoughts. And if he's scum then he can self-hammer if he wants.

Wtff is that vote

[Quick]

I might as well stick my vote where I want it.

VOTE: Whiskers

[gerryoat]

who cares just vote quick

[TwoInAMillion]

who cares just vote quick

^scummy

[Quick]

Town is going to lose this game.

[Joey_]

I might as well stick my vote where I want it.

VOTE: Whiskers

Dude youre so fucking annoying, im telling you that if you want to live you need to vote flub, i wont do whiskers over flub

[Quick]

I might as well stick my vote where I want it.

VOTE: Whiskers

Dude youre so fucking annoying, im telling you that if you want to live you need to vote flub, i wont do whiskers over flub

I've already claimed VT, what makes you think the vote is going to swing? You know I can switch my vote in the case that no one hammers.

[Joey_]

Ino quick rxn is pretty much town and that os disregarding a lot of scum stuff he did, neros rationale is not super good as always but it kinda feels likes town which points me to

Why in the world arent we lynch flub yet? Theres a very disctinct lack of cooperation to just lynch a scummy slot, quick towntold in his manner much more than flub ever did, the better explanation is just that flibbs scum and isnt getting bussed

[Joey_]

I might as well stick my vote where I want it.

VOTE: Whiskers

Dude youre so fucking annoying, im telling you that if you want to live you need to vote flub, i wont do whiskers over flub

I've already claimed VT, what makes you think the vote is going to swing? You know I can switch my vote in the case that no one hammers.

You keep whining that you get lynched d1 out of playstyle, that town will lose rtc etc and yet you dont understand what you have to do rn for your assumed alognement aka stop being a cry baby and make a case on flub

[TwoInAMillion]

Anyone who Joey calls a annoying or stupid or something like that gets a town read in my book.