Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)


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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:38 am

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farside22 wrote:You still haven't answered my question about your "quote" on your sig. Do you have proff that was said word for word by me because I take offense at slander.
Wow... you mean people actually read sigs here? I turn 'em off whenever I join a forum... usually they're useless.
i had mine switched off, until my own sig became so awesome that i had to look at it for 15 minutes each day. :D

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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:54 am

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Battle Mage wrote:
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farside22 wrote:You still haven't answered my question about your "quote" on your sig. Do you have proff that was said word for word by me because I take offense at slander.
Wow... you mean people actually read sigs here? I turn 'em off whenever I join a forum... usually they're useless.
i had mine switched off, until my own sig became so awesome that i had to look at it for 15 minutes each day. :D

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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:58 am

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farside22 wrote: I love my sig
because Carlos Mencia just cracks me up
and sometimes I need the reminder. :lol:
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:37 pm

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farside22 wrote:@Antithesis: Not everyone is wagon hopping around. Some people voted based on crap unvoting (TLP) and saying there was a deadline when there wasn't. Some votes are based on those not participating and voting to vote without reason and making OMGUS comments instead of answering questions directed at them (Killa seven). It's not all nonsense if you are reading. You still haven't answered my question about your "quote" on your sig. Do you have proff that was said word for word by me because I take offense at slander.
Post # 63, from Short and Sweet Two.
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Holy crap! I'm sorry that was really unexpected story twist I did not see coming.
Well I am sorry a few people don't like what I have had to say. I am just trying to keep up and put my own view points in here. Sorry it isn't up to people standards. I truely thought the discussion about what scum would and would not do was terrible. If people want to give the scum idea's on what they can get away with then the will be glad to point the finger along with those people. That was my issue. It's almost like hanging a sign on yourself saying hey scum I'm a sap come agree with me.
Sorry, I'm just passionate.
Well I didn't think others were right about Antithesis.
He did a dumb newbie thing and role claimed and somehow in the middle of the day got killed because of it.
I almost want to look at every person that voted against him for the killer, but I don't think the person who did that would be that stupid.
Based on Ether point of view and the only one that I feel had the best comments thus far I will be changing my vote.

Now kindly stop asking me to change my sig.
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:47 pm

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That is not a quote that is a paraphrase if anything.
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:32 pm

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Can we get back to relevant discussion please? Like who's scum? I believe the most recent subjects were Lloyd and Antithesis. I dislike Lloyd's lack of seriousness. However, I believe that Antithesis is a shy townie. Or something.

BTW, I'd support a retractable deadline.
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:45 pm

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curiouskarmadog wrote:Nemesis, deadlines can be retracted..deadlines force choices and BWs, much can be learned from this,
Yes, some can... Although a mod won't always jump through hoops for you and set/retract deadlines when it is good for you.

As for the forcing of choices and bandwagons... Anyone can join a wagon giving the excuse that a lynch is better than no lynch. Somehow people stop being able to be held accountable.

right now, all we have are scraps of scumminess that people jump on until someone else does something slightly scummy. We are going to keep going around in circles until something really sticks out. I think a deadline will do just that. Force people to start scum hunting and stop lurking (or at least answer for their lurking)...force scum to act, hopefully they will trip up in the process.
Scum hunting with a deadline usually ends up at voting for whoever has the most votes. Lurkers may still lurk, especially now there isn't time to pressure them into talking.

If conversation is heated, I would expect that Mod to delay the deadline, espeically in a game this size..deadlines are not bad.
Deadlines themselves give scum way more power to lynch who they want if it is a half majority deadline, a full majority deadline gives a higher chance of a no lynch. Neither of these are particularly good for the town.

The discussion that deadlines create is usually hasty and panic induced, there is no guarantee that anything good will come of it and there's plenty of potential for bad things to happen because of them. Deadlines are bad...
Nemesis, what had the conversation dwiddled to before I asked for a deadline? Answer me that, then tell me why asking for a deadline was anti-town again? Look how much conversation has spun off that alone.
The conversation hasn't moved on because of the deadline yet. All we have is me accusing you and if you are town and you were doing something intended to help the town, then you have no positives to take from this yet. I can't see anything else the deadline has done that might make up for all the bad things it could do. We're pretty much still going round in circles, we still pretty much have the same lynch candidates.

If I was trying to hide the fact I wanted the deadline, why did I say it in game, versus just PMing the mod for one?
I don't think I said you were trying to hide it... But this is a null-point anyway, because you could see this as a powerful pro-town move and openly did it to look more pro-town. Else you might have not realized some of the people not wanting a deadline would rather lynch you for your suggestion than lynch someone who has been in the spotlight all game. There are plenty of reasons why you might have posted it in thread... But as I say, it's a null-point full of WIFOM and intention guessing.
[url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=414662#414662]Damnit, Nemesis.[/url]
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:07 pm

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so was my asking for a deadline anti-town or a powerful protown move?

Nem, you thoughts on others who support a retractable deadline? What about the first person you originally brought it up?
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:27 pm

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Battle Mage wrote:I have to claim my role as it is. I acknowledge that its a very scummy claim, but it benefits the town more to come forward early. I cant help what the Mod gave me. My play on the other hand, is genuine.
What do you mean by "on the other hand"?

What are you comparing your play to? Your role, your claim, or both?

Was your role disingenuous or dishonest?

Was your claim disingenuous or dishonest?
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:29 pm

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Lloyd wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:I have to claim my role as it is. I acknowledge that its a very scummy claim, but it benefits the town more to come forward early. I cant help what the Mod gave me. My play on the other hand, is genuine.
What do you mean by "on the other hand"?

What are you comparing your play to? Your role, your claim, or both? My role and my claim are the same, DUH. :roll:

Was your role disingenuous or dishonest?

Was your claim disingenuous or dishonest?
I dont know what disingenuous means?

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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:14 pm

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Semantically, if your play and claim are both genuine, then your "on the other hand" comparison makes no sense.

I'll try to illustrate...
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play = genuine
claim = not genuine

They're on different hands.

Usage: On one hand, my play has been genuine. On the other hand, my claim has not been genuine.
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play = genuine
claim = genuine

They're on the same hand, figuratively speaking

Usage: Both my play and claim have been genuine. On the other hand, scummy players' play have been disingenuous / not genuine.
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:15 pm

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In short, I'm confused by the point you were trying to make when you wrote "on the other hand" earlier.
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:29 am

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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:09 am

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Antithesis: change your sig.

Lloyd: I believe he was saying, "my miller claim was scummy, on the other hand, my play has been protown." Or at least that's what he meant.

This has been your semantics-and-slander post of the day. But we should still lynch TLP.
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:06 am

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wow, TSN, demanding much. Anti's sig can stay as it is until an admin of the site has issue with it. Farside's not executing her complaint in the correct matter.

Lloyd, i think you're being nitpicky. BM's intention is clear, even though his word choice is not.
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:31 am

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Lloyd wrote:Semantically, if your play and claim are both genuine, then your "on the other hand" comparison makes no sense.

I'll try to illustrate...
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play = genuine
claim = not genuine

They're on different hands.

Usage: On one hand, my play has been genuine. On the other hand, my claim has not been genuine.
*Sigh*

Give this some thought for a minute please. When evaluating a players affiliation, not everyone gives the same weight to claim and play. They are two different aspects if you will.

I dropped English earlier this year for a reason. I dont have the time or inclination to discuss the intricacies of grammar, unless they fit 1 of 2 criteria:

1. They are game relevant, and actually have a purpose.
2. They are humourous, and make me feel happy.

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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:33 am

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RossWilliam wrote:wow, TSN, demanding much. Anti's sig can stay as it is until an admin of the site has issue with it. Farside's not executing her complaint in the correct matter.

Lloyd, i think you're being nitpicky. BM's intention is clear, even though his word choice is not.
actually, i agree with Farside and SweatyPants. If the 'quote' in question did not actually occur, it is misrepresentation to present it with quotation marks in that way. It doesnt take alot to adjust it, and im sure Anti will once he gets a chance.
This isnt actually relevant to the game, so can we please move on?

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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:46 am

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Battle Mage wrote:
RossWilliam wrote:can we please move on?

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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:56 am

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armlx wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
RossWilliam wrote:can we please move on?

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Seconded.
I've moved on.
Can we get back to relevant discussion please? Like who's scum? I believe the most recent subjects were Lloyd and Antithesis. I dislike Lloyd's lack of seriousness. However, I believe that Antithesis is a shy townie. Or something.
Are we forgeting Killa seven who never answered anyone's questions and fell off the face of the internet?
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:01 am

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who was it who said that Antithesis was SHY? 0.o
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:12 am

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Matt_S wrote:Can we get back to relevant discussion please? Like who's scum? I believe the most recent subjects were Lloyd and Antithesis. I dislike Lloyd's lack of seriousness. However, I believe that Antithesis is a shy townie. Or something.

BTW, I'd support a retractable deadline.
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:15 am

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armlx wrote:
Matt_S wrote:Can we get back to relevant discussion please? Like who's scum? I believe the most recent subjects were Lloyd and Antithesis. I dislike Lloyd's lack of seriousness. However, I believe that Antithesis is a shy townie. Or something.

BTW, I'd support a retractable deadline.
There you go BM.
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coz if not, please do us a fecking favour and vote for someone who you think might be scum. :roll:
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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:21 am

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farside22 wrote:
Can we get back to relevant discussion please? Like who's scum? I believe the most recent subjects were Lloyd and Antithesis. I dislike Lloyd's lack of seriousness. However, I believe that Antithesis is a shy townie. Or something.
Are we forgeting Killa seven who never answered anyone's questions and fell off the face of the internet?
Mod:
prod killa seven please.

@Battle Mage: lolwut?
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:31 am

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Agree with the prod request. Matt, what about my FoS dont you understand?
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:47 am

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