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Post Post #1200 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:23 pm

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In post 1126, acidphoenix wrote:LaLiars is dumb

the kind of lying boons doing isn't super helpful(mostly *because* he's so obvious about it) but it's definitely not innately bad

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LAL is not dumb, when you play on a site where it's strictly enforced by ALL townies, it's amazing how you no longer have to worry about if it's town doing dumb things or is it scum. Now a lie is also a scum slip. This site is not like that obviously. So it only makes things harder on town.
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Post Post #1201 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:24 pm

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In post 1198, acidphoenix wrote:no I wasn't sure so I tested your reaction

the fact that you readily accepted my question means that you don't actually give a shit about your own case

the prosecution restd
Explain. I care a lot about my case, you are the one continuously stating that, not me. It's a mixture of all those little things, and then you doing exactly what scum basically has to to survive.
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Post Post #1202 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:25 pm

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Lynch all liars as applied to specific subsets of deception isnt always dumb depending on which subset

lynch all liars as applied unilaterally is dumb
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Post Post #1203 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:25 pm

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you still haven't ctrlfd vote

it's fairly obvious what the problem is boon
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Post Post #1204 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:25 pm

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In post 1200, Havo wrote:
In post 1126, acidphoenix wrote:LaLiars is dumb

the kind of lying boons doing isn't super helpful(mostly *because* he's so obvious about it) but it's definitely not innately bad

ON a Side Note,

LAL is not dumb, when you play on a site where it's strictly enforced by ALL townies, it's amazing how you no longer have to worry about if it's town doing dumb things or is it scum. Now a lie is also a scum slip. This site is not like that obviously. So it only makes things harder on town.
I agree. But I also stated that I don't believe I am lying when I do said things. I generally enforce LAL, but when it's actual lying. If it's obvious reaction test, fine, which is why I make mine obvious.
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Post Post #1205 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:26 pm

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In post 1203, acidphoenix wrote:you still haven't ctrlfd vote

it's fairly obvious what the problem is boon
If you are referring to my lack of voting in this game, that's generally a town tell on my part.

Ask anyone who knows me how aggressive and how many mislynch setup options I allow myself when I'm scum.
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Post Post #1206 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:27 pm

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ctrlf vote in my iso
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Post Post #1207 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:28 pm

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hint: the fact that the only issue which seems to be of real significance to you, and at the very least more significant than any of your other problems with me, is my position on the luv wagon

and you don't actually know that I didn't vote luv
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Post Post #1208 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:31 pm

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In post 1207, acidphoenix wrote:hint: the fact that the only issue which seems to be of real significance to you, and at the very least more significant than any of your other problems with me, is my position on the luv wagon

and you don't actually know that I didn't vote luv
I have stated over and over why this is not true. "Only issue", I've given multiple.

I don't care if you voted Luv. It really didn't matter to me if a vote was there or not. It's why I said "Sure" in reference to your early thing and then added onto it. It's the positioning.

This also confirms me as mothafuckin'townBoon, because as scum I'm hyper aware.
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Post Post #1209 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:32 pm

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The fact that acid literally pushing that is a last ditch effort as scum.

@Havo - You want to see lying? Look at acid. Blatant misreps/rewording.

Also, looking into my ISO, you can clearly see other reasons.
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Post Post #1210 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:33 pm

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it's not your only issue but you literally generalized the other issues as "these are all just the extra reasons that I generally don't care about"

and okay but if you just read through that to actually come to a conclusion then how the hell would you not note the lack of a vote

even moreso than just being significant it's probably the only thing about what I've done with luv I would actually agree looks scjmmy (the lack of a vote)

also if so

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Post Post #1211 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:34 pm

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Now that mothafuckin'ConfTown Boon is out, my case is clear.

Something I've learned is as scum, it's really easy for circular reasoning to come out, so I'm trying not to enable scum in long drawn out conversations so they can wiggle out into a TvT like scenario.
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Post Post #1212 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:35 pm

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In post 1210, acidphoenix wrote:it's not your only issue but you literally generalized the other issues as "these are all just the extra reasons that I generally don't care about"

and okay but if you just read through that to actually come to a conclusion then how the hell would you not note the lack of a vote

even moreso than just being significant it's probably the only thing about what I've done with luv I would actually agree looks scjmmy (the lack of a vote)

also if so

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Post Post #1213 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:38 pm

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Also, he's doing the thing I do as scum, where I argue that I'm technically right in situations, and you grasp onto that.

So, as town, break that and push that away. Mulch should have done that to me in Why's game.

But yeah, Acid like conf scum. Vigilante can shoot me if I'm wrong.


Or lynch me, and vigilante shoot Acid, lynch acid for sure if he lives.
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Post Post #1214 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:38 pm

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In post 1210, acidphoenix wrote:it's not your only issue but you literally generalized the other issues as "these are all just the extra reasons that I generally don't care about"

and okay but if you just read through that to actually come to a conclusion then how the hell would you not note the lack of a vote

even moreso than just being significant it's probably the only thing about what I've done with luv I would actually agree looks scjmmy (the lack of a vote)

also if so

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being pissed that you've decided none of my points matter except for hunting for the scum motive in every word while not reevaluating, and now being to the point of "you're either scum or town who isn't actually trying to figure out peoples alignments" (and you've posted enough that that dichotomy almost always flips the former) is why I added the "real significance" and "at the least clearly the most significant" parts yes
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Post Post #1215 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:40 pm

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In post 1213, Boonskiies wrote:Vigilante can shoot me if I'm wrong.


Or lynch me, and vigilante shoot Acid, lynch acid for sure if he lives.
if you are in fact town this part of this post, more than any other thing you've done, has singlehandedly make me lose all respect for you

fuck anyone who makes anything about "if you don't trust me you gotta Lynch me"
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Post Post #1216 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:40 pm

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not as much the if I'm wrong part but the Lynch me to see if I'm sheepable jfc what the hell
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Post Post #1217 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:14 pm

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In post 1143, Boonskiies wrote:So I went on to LQ without scum reading him, because it was obvious that after how Tchill was, that there would be some fight against that, the wagon that emerged from that, was LUV, which is more likely to be town than scum because people sitting around will generally take the side that’s building rather than the one that’s established, because it’s less scummy on paper.
Not everyone weighed in on this, so your analysis is wrong.
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Post Post #1218 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:21 pm

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In post 1184, Havo wrote:I'm not crazy about LQ, but I doubt he and Acid are scum partners as much as Acid has been hard TRing him.

I wanted to see LQ's reaction to my joining his push on UZi.
I think its fucked up that you hold so strongly to LAL, but you are OK to do the same. Like, you voted Uzi without thinking he was Scum IIRC. That seems like a kind of lie because reasoning was associated with the vote.
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Post Post #1219 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:24 pm

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In post 1204, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 1200, Havo wrote:
In post 1126, acidphoenix wrote:LaLiars is dumb

the kind of lying boons doing isn't super helpful(mostly *because* he's so obvious about it) but it's definitely not innately bad

ON a Side Note,

LAL is not dumb, when you play on a site where it's strictly enforced by ALL townies, it's amazing how you no longer have to worry about if it's town doing dumb things or is it scum. Now a lie is also a scum slip. This site is not like that obviously. So it only makes things harder on town.
I agree. But I also stated that I don't believe I am lying when I do said things. I generally enforce LAL, but when it's actual lying. If it's obvious reaction test, fine, which is why I make mine obvious.
Weird? Because I would think a reaction test requires the person doesn't know what they are reacting too. Otherwise, what is stopping Scum from giving the "correct" response?
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Post Post #1220 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:29 pm

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In post 1211, Boonskiies wrote:Now that mothafuckin'ConfTown Boon is out, my case is clear.

Something I've learned is as scum, it's really easy for circular reasoning to come out, so I'm trying not to enable scum in long drawn out conversations so they can wiggle out into a TvT like scenario.

Confirmed Town, huh. you don't say.
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What's the difference between your Town game and Scum game while you're already self metaing all over the place.
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Post Post #1221 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:34 pm

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Boon deserves our scrutiny for no other reason needed than the type of player he is. Let that sink in.
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Post Post #1222 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:47 pm

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This is my last game under this account (hopefully). I am hoping for a 20% win record for Town in normals. Lets make it happen people, I don't want to go 0/5.
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Post Post #1223 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:05 pm

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Replacing out. Gonna get banned from the toxicity if I stay. LOL
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Post Post #1224 (ISO) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:07 pm

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In post 1221, LicketyQuickety wrote:Boon deserves our scrutiny for no other reason needed than the type of player he is. Let that sink in.
I win more scum games than anyone else on site right now, and I've had near 100% town reads Day 3/4 on in my recent town games.

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