Large Normal 206: World Record Mafia! (GAME OVER)

[Theta Alpine]

but I don't want to play "guess creature's alignment" this game. :/

no it is usually pretty obvious when he is town

Why do you think claiming mason on day 1 is a smart pro town move?

It probably wasn't, but I wanted to spend a game for once not scumread

i know what you mean

VOTE: wavemode
read the rules next time before you vote
since what you did this time will not count according to the rules
mulch that goes for you also but yours does not appear to be correct on first glance so i do not scum read you for it

[Theta Alpine]

VOTE: wavemode
read the rules next time before you vote
since what you did this time will not count according to the rules
mulch that goes for you also but yours does not appear to be correct on first glance so i do not scum read you for it

What makes you vote for wavemode here? Do you think typing 'mariomaker' instead of 'mariomaniac4' was a ploy to avoid voting?

it is kind of in the same vein as fake hammering
misleading
or like how creature voted osuka twice

also seriously read the rules
only one vote per post

[Theta Alpine]

Do you think these things were actually scum motivated?

not necessarily
i just want to make sure that people are aware of the rules applicable to voting before we leave rvs
and especially before deadline

[Theta Alpine]

Theta's wavemode stuff is pretty dumb but I could see scum caught for the wrong reasons. Like I didn't really like his mario bandwagon vote all that much.

it is more like i have not really thought about another person to vote
so wait are we voting lurkers/people who have not even posted now
i can get on board with that

VOTE: flavor leaf

not sure if nero and mary will have their votes counted or not
whitespace probably gets removed from names so i am thinking it probably will count
but it will be good to find out

[Theta Alpine]

well obviously you can rule out the first person on the wagon since they started it
you can probably rule out the second person as well
anything after that is fair game for the sheepy and bandwagony statement
as long as they provide no new thoughts on the wagon that is

[Theta Alpine]

i mean the point of me voting him was to get him to post and give content
and he has at least done the former so
VOTE: eddie cane
going down my list of people who have not posted
the other two on that list are peregrinev and zoki77 if anyone wanted to know
though there are a few people who have only stated that they will read up and post later

[Theta Alpine]

he has six votes on him

we are not quick lynching right now
there are still three people who have not even posted yet
and several more who have only stated that they are going to read and post more later

[Theta Alpine]

we are not quick lynching right now

do you really think we'd get 5 votes on him?

maybe

just want to make sure that certain people among us do not think that quick lynching is an option
although with the threat of imminent replacement i should probably focus on the people who simply said they would post later
so
flavor leaf is actually first on that list
so i will skip to the second and VOTE: dunkerdoodles
that second post/vote does not excuse you from having little content
i mean for one you could explain why that post would come from scum

[Theta Alpine]

What's wrong with the flavor leaf wagon?

i mean i stated why in that post

but tldr it is a matter of principle

[Theta Alpine]

Theta, would you go back to

VOTE: Eddie Cane?

i also explained in my 217 post why i would not vote eddie cane

but tldr because of 196
and the assumption that those who have not posted yet have not confirmed either

[Theta Alpine]

Well after the first five pages of nonsense I wasn't expecting two pages of wallposts that I glazed over.

yeah
i still need to go back and actually read those posts

[Theta Alpine]

Does post 200 seem forced to you, creature and Nero?

From this I'm pretty sure Mulch is town

Why lol

From this I'm pretty sure Mulch is scum

i am pretty sure flip-flopping is a scum tell
but i am also pretty sure this is a joke

[Theta Alpine]

town usually do not change their mind within the same page
also the fact that you said lets say it was 100% serious practically confirms to me that it was a joke at the time of writing

[Theta Alpine]

i mean the point of me voting him was to get him to post and give content
and he has at least done the former so
VOTE: eddie cane
going down my list of people who have not posted
the other two on that list are peregrinev and zoki77 if anyone wanted to know
though there are a few people who have only stated that they will read up and post later

I don't see the point of voting people who have not posted.

so i guess you missed the post i made later on

[Theta Alpine]

read 269 through 271
those posts are mario saying why he scumreads mulch

[Theta Alpine]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

what was that you said about unproductive wagons

[Theta Alpine]

i mean the point of me voting him was to get him to post and give content
and he has at least done the former so
VOTE: eddie cane
going down my list of people who have not posted
the other two on that list are peregrinev and zoki77 if anyone wanted to know
though there are a few people who have only stated that they will read up and post later

I don't see the point of voting people who have not posted.

so i guess you missed the post i made later on

Have I missed a post where you gave any reason other than not posting / posting an "I'll post later" for your vote?
It's a big leap from voting someone with 0 content to thinking your vote made them post.

You didn't manage to vote me before I posted, or I would have slapped you around for assuming I was hiding when there was a more likely (and true) explanation that

I was physically absent from the internet when the game started

. (Don't know if that's the reason for other people being slow to start, but it's not a bad guess IMO given how slow the game filled and how short the confirmation phase was)

Pedit: ooh, another one posts a wall. Not gonna try to interpret it in pedit mode.

OK Mario is either scum or a power role, this isn't his vanulla townie tone

I kinda tr this line given the fact I don't know why scum Mulch would say this but then it begs the question, Why are you looking for power roles in the first place or make the statement?

Mario's revenge vote on mulch and "knowing" I'm town is concerning. I don't know flavor leafs normal playstyle but he seems not interested in being active and for a day 1 you would think he would at least want to stop his wagon or analyze those pushing it. "The go ahead and lynch me, whatever" is a slight scummy stance. O. The flip side the wagon for flavor seems to have happened pretty fast and unless it's a scum bussing there is probably scum inside of that wagon.

VOTE: MarioManiac4 The only way you know I'm town that early is if you aren't one of us.

Still on a 2 day super busy work schedule so I won't be able to check in much. Saying that I'd also like to see some of.our inactives stop slacking if they want to actually help find scum, If not, I think the rest of us town will have a right to be supicious of you

this feels slimy you're pushing on something like this is random and weird and trying to put on the "We're town not you! vibe is gross

i mean the point of me voting him was to get him to post and give content
and he has at least done the former so
VOTE: eddie cane
going down my list of people who have not posted
the other two on that list are peregrinev and zoki77 if anyone wanted to know
though there are a few people who have only stated that they will read up and post later

This is scum to me he's voting slots that aren't posting and not doing anything the "oh post content" line is weak because at some point people will post content your vote will do nothing to change that it's 1 vote in a 21 person game. I think this is scum trying to look like they're doing something when really It's not much at all

VOTE: Theta Alpine

okay
first of all the whole point of a pressure vote
is to apply pressure

second of all
read 217

[Theta Alpine]

well i just got back

and i really want to say something about another game right now
but i will not because that would be bad

so i might not post for a bit to avoid inadvertently talking about that other game

in other words
excuse me if it seems i am lurking for a bit
i am just avoiding breaking one of the main rules of play on mafiascum

[Theta Alpine]

oh hey the person i am voting is on

dunker why do you think flavor leaf is scum

p-edit
okay why did you think that flavor leaf is scum

[Theta Alpine]

Does post 200 seem forced to you, creature and Nero?

From this I'm pretty sure Mulch is town

Why lol

From this I'm pretty sure Mulch is scum

i am pretty sure flip-flopping is a scum tell
but i am also pretty sure this is a joke

town usually do not change their mind within the same page
also the fact that you said lets say it was 100% serious practically confirms to me that it was a joke at the time of writing

Why in your opinion is flip-flopping a scum tell?
I have to disagree, especially early on in the game when a lot of new information is coming in without anything in the past I think it is normal to not hold a fixed position.
In this particular instance, I think wavemode did jump the gun to call Mulch town and then scum - I wouldn't say flip-flopping is a scum tell though.

you know i never actually said it was my opinion
i was technically just stating that it is recognized as a scum tell
like in https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ding_Mafia
it would fall under wishy-washy voting

the second post it was just that going from a town-read to a scum-read after a single post requires a lot of reasoning that wavemode failed to provide

[Theta Alpine]

dunker are you ignoring me

[Theta Alpine]

just kidding i have neither a comment to make nor the willpower to count votes

VOTE: yumeko jabami

well i can at least count the 4 votes on yumeko

but the fact that dunker is literally avoiding my questions is fairly suspicious so stop trying to lynch people based on posting habits and lynch the person who is dodging important questions about their methods of scumhunting

[Theta Alpine]

Push dunkerdoodles I push you

then i would suggest pushing me
because if you have not noticed i happen to be voting dunker right now

so i assume this comment means you town-read dunker
why

[Theta Alpine]

oh

well

why in the world is he refusing to answer my question then
he cannot expect to get people to join him in votes if he provides no reasons at all as to why he scumreads someone

[Theta Alpine]

that does not answer my question

oh wait never mind it does
just tell him in here

[Theta Alpine]

oh

i did not consider that an answer considering that you did not explain why it does not come from scum

[Theta Alpine]

What if mulch's unhelpful gambit is actually scum making it look like an unhelpful gambit?
I think I saw someone saying that it fits mulch's scum meta to post a lot?
I don't have personal experience there and am not exactly swimming in available time.

this is not posting a lot for mulch
seriously

[Theta Alpine]

oh

i did not consider that an answer considering that you did not explain why it does not come from scum

Oh, 409 right? Yeah multiple people commented on that, I didn't see it as useful either but didn't think it would be helpful to "me too".

well apparently it was an answer to my question so yeah
but apparently he is town because masons with mulch and i do not yet see a reason to be overly suspicious of mulch so
UNVOTE:

[Theta Alpine]

really

you know i would have believed you if you had just said because meta

[Theta Alpine]

What's with me and the Mason claims this game lol

yeah

i mean if you are actually a mason then this will only make no one believe your claim

[Theta Alpine]

Maybe his original claim was a joke. Then again, maybe not.

i mean

it is even on this page

like seriously just read this page

[Theta Alpine]

mario

hmm
i actually do have that in my notes that he counterclaimed mason
but nothing happened about it
i mean mulch and mario were definitely at each others throats for a bit but the cc never really came up again from what i remember
well until now that is

p-edit
okay
that is why i did not bring it up myself
the fact that mario immediately voted creature just did not feel right
i still do not know what to think about that whole situation

i do think mulch is probably town though

[Theta Alpine]

and then there was the fake dayvig immediately after

[Theta Alpine]

be warned of excessively long posts
like i have only read the parts of those posts dealing with me

[Theta Alpine]

well he was the one who requested it

[Theta Alpine]

on another note
my first game with this alt was with boonskiies

and that game
was
well
it started my running spree of getting mislynched as town

but at any rate i disagree with the policy lynch nero is proposing

p-edit
yeah
you know i am lynchbait as town
and you also probably know my scum game the best of anyone since you modded that one

[Theta Alpine]

Oh, that was the first game probably, haha.

yeah it was

[Theta Alpine]

oh god.
VOTE: policy lynch:Boonskiis
daykill:boonskiis
hardest hammer:boonskiis

and then suddenly i noticed that you misspelled boonskiies name so that vote would not count even if you had not included everything else

[Theta Alpine]

i mean at least boon admitted he cannot read you correctly
and if he always reads you incorrectly then that just means i have to read you the opposite of how boonskiies reads you and then be correct
theoretically at least

[Theta Alpine]

F

l

a

v

o

r

L

e

a

f

r

e

p

l

a

c

e

s

h

i

m

s

e

l

f

a

s

B

o

o

n

s

k

i

i

e

s

!

christ this game just went from here to there

i mean technically he was always here

we just did not know it

[Theta Alpine]

wait is it too late for an omgus

VOTE: mary saotome

why are you still voting me

i explained why your original reason for voting me was invalid
and you do not seem to be pushing other people to vote me
so why keep your vote on me

[Theta Alpine]

Isn't "haha" your scumtell? Or is it not

nope

That's just flat out wrong what you said, haha.

he was town in that game

[Theta Alpine]

okay

anyone want to join me and nero on mary now

[Theta Alpine]

It pings when people basically ask to join the wagon I din't know why he just doesn't outright vote me what's the need for intent I'm not at L-1.

I'm gonna look at my wagon next vote count given it's clear scum on it

nero cain
theta alpine
boonskiies if he had voted correctly
and dunkerdoodles

those are the votes on you right now
and of course like you noted osuka gave intent

so go ahead and look now

[Theta Alpine]

Only 5? Felt like I had like 7

good job deflecting it
but anyways go ahead and make dinner
i will hopefully be on for a while so if you get back within about 2 hours we can continue this conversation

[Theta Alpine]

nero
mulch
theta
boon

can we agree these are all town?

yeah, sure. Add yourself there if you want, birdy.

i would add unabombah as well
since i trust mulch so far and mulch thinks una is town

p-edit
what happened to your una read mulch

p-edit 2
the paranoid part of me thinks that probably because scum might be on it
but then i think that that would have to mean dunker is scum and dunker is on the list now so that would be fairly silly for scum to do

[Theta Alpine]

Btw, can I trust no one else will claim without a reason?

i will not claim without reason

[Theta Alpine]

i don't think there are any masons

if there are, mario is mason. if not then nobody is

either that or the masons were smart and decided not to claim openly because all of the other claims were fairly obviously fake

[Theta Alpine]

and/or were not on yet
or one of them was not in the game yet and the other decided not to claim without their partner being in the game to confirm

[Theta Alpine]

i don't think there are any masons

if there are, mario is mason. if not then nobody is

either that or the masons were smart and decided not to claim openly because all of the other claims were fairly obviously fake

I will not hesitate to deathtunnel you both. What is this conversation?

how about we ignore this conversation until later on in the game when claims happen

[Theta Alpine]

Btw, can I trust no one else will claim without a reason?

i will not claim without reason

i mean i literally just said this
so i thought it was pretty obvious the crumb was fake

[Theta Alpine]

i mean what would you do if pretty much everyone was scumreading you
when you only had 2 posts

i would probably post and see if that could be cleared up
not like i would get 70 pages into the game with only 2 posts or anything like that
i try to at least have more posts than the mod

and why have i not been posting
because i really do not want to get involved in pointless arguments day 1
maybe later on in the game when we have less players
but i will do better when i can just focus on reading people from the sidelines instead of interacting with others day 1

speaking of which
i really do not want to see excession lynched until after their replacement had had a bit to settle in and read

[Theta Alpine]

Gimme a minute to go get a big dirty burger and fries to wake up after the fight and I'll start reading all this balls

Someone gimme cliffnotes

lots of useless posts and people fighting each other for no good reason and thus spamming the thread with more useless posts

[Theta Alpine]

Because Scum!Creature is incredibly apathetic and never posts content. This is 100% not his scum game. If you disagree, prove me wrong.

I'm not sure one way or the other. I think it's a little early to be calling anyone 100% town.

they are not calling creature 100% town

creature could be third party

[Theta Alpine]

And people never change their meta?

people who change their meta have a meta of changing their meta

[Theta Alpine]

some people do not have drastic differences between their scum and town metas

[Theta Alpine]

some

most people do not have drastic differences between their scum and town metas

compared to creature

[Theta Alpine]

I'm not above lynching a lurker in the absence of a better option.

do you see a better option in this game

[Theta Alpine]

And people never change their meta?

people who change their meta have a meta of changing their meta

i'm considering sign this, would you be ok with that?

go ahead

[Theta Alpine]

I mean, we could always lynch you instead

Do you think that would be informative

no

we already know he is almost certainly town

[Theta Alpine]

oh wait i have an idea

how about we lynch mary saotome
since i do not think anyone actually town reads her

[Theta Alpine]

eh i do not know
i agree that joat could be scum or town
i also think someone could probably cop them and confirm whether they are scum or town

from their play i also do not know
i just think lynching a claimed pr would be bad day 1

p-edit
i do not really care about that

[Theta Alpine]

I think it's scummy to not care about a veto

I mean, do you want anarchy? Children dying in the streets? And in other places, I imagine

Is that what you want

and who was the person vetoing again

p-edit
fine
nero i am conflicted on giving a read on right now due to an ongoing game we shared
mario i could probably vote
who is your other scum read again
i am pretty sure you had one other

[Theta Alpine]

yumeko is the wall-poster
i would have to actually read their posts before saying whether i would vote them or not

wave
idk
after reading their iso
they were actually scum-hunting earlier
even if they did have some thoughts i disagree with
like thinking creature is scum

[Theta Alpine]

wait until later in the game
boon can actually do things then

p-edit
insulting a countries leader is a historically proven bad decision
therefore i will withhold my thoughts

[Theta Alpine]

Bit then again it's only my third game.

fun fact
it was in my third game that i got a scum role
so that statement means nothing

[Theta Alpine]

If we get a guilty, the invest should definitely claim it though xD

this. 2 maf down, and no day chat. we are way up.

nowhere in the rules does it say there is no day chat

so why did you say that

[Theta Alpine]

oh

[Theta Alpine]

i forgot about that
sorry

[Theta Alpine]

alright so we probably have 3 mafia to lynch now
since 4 mafia + traitor is probably the setup
either that or 3 mafia + traitor + sk
meaning we get 4 mislynches if the vig/sk stays alive and always hits town
6 mislynches if the vig/sk dies or does not shoot
of course this is assuming no successful protects or anything like that

in other words we have a lot of room for error now
not that i am suggesting quick-lynching anyone

[Theta Alpine]

in a bit i wanted to look at the early ignition wagon

[Theta Alpine]

in a bit i wanted to look at the early ignition wagon

huh

so early game people kind of talked about voting ignition but then it never really happened aside from two votes
people also talked about una being obv-town quite a bit

[Theta Alpine]

also can someone else tell me what 457 means
because i think i know what it means myself
because i would have done something similar in my scum game
if i had not voted my known partner in my first post

[Theta Alpine]

what did i say about not quick-lynching

[Theta Alpine]

osuka you are at l-5 right now

[Theta Alpine]

as my final point tho, i will say if TIAM does happen to be scum, he thought he was shooting town by shooting Una since he was a Traitor.
this wouldn't be a scum gambit to try and get him confirmed vig, but he could easily just be scum thinking he was shooting town!una.

not really

usually if a traitor gets shot by scum they get recruited
unless they get shot by the other faction in multiball

although tiam could be sk
not that i would care at this point considering the night kill

[Theta Alpine]

Actually traitors being recruited is not normal. Because Unabombah didn't flip as a variant role (with full role pm shown) we 100% know he was not recruit-able.

Not that it matters since TiaM is town but.

ah okay

i just remembered being recruited on night kill in boonskiies game

[Theta Alpine]

good game mary

kind of wish i had pushed you a bit more now

[Theta Alpine]

oh hey that hydra reminds me of something i have to do now that i have time to post again

[Theta Alpine]

Still counting this as a town win on my wiki.

see from my perspective this just continues the trend of me losing my town games

counting large 204 i am now 2 wins 4 losses
with a town score of 0 wins 4 losses
and a scum score of 2 wins 0 losses