Mini 554 - Mafia in Vollville - Over!!

[Adel]

I'll put my theory forward if she won't explain.

i'd rather change the subject and get back to lynching Matt_S

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Votecount #39

Guardian - 2 (Erg0, Oman)

Matt_S - 2 (Guardian, Adel)
Oman - 1 (Incognito)

Not voting - 4 (Matt_S, Xylthixlm, Patrick, Jitsu, )

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline for D2: Friday April 5, 11:30AM GMT+10
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[Oman]

If I could read Hebrew
I still couldn't read you.

[Incognito]

I'm not sold on the case against Matt_S. I've read over Matt_S's posts in isolation and maybe I'm being naive here but I would have expected Matt_S to react differently at around the time pickemgenius questioned him pretty harshly about his viewpoints with respect to bandwagoning. I would have expected Matt_S to possibly back down or buddy up to pickemgenius to explain his own views about bandwagoning but Matt_S did neither; he defended his views and his own votes despite the fact that he was being questioned closely by someone we now know is town (pickemgenius). The interplay between Matt_S (alignment unknown) and pickemgenius-town doesn't read the way I would expect it to read if it was pickemgenius-town versus Matt_S-newb scum.

The case against Adel has intrigued me, and I've certainly been thinking about the possibility of her being scum more closely. I don't think she's today's lynch though.

Oman or Guardian^2 is today's lynch.

Adel, I'll fifth the motion for you to explain your reasoning for finding Matt_S to be scum. It shouldn't have to be begged out of you though; stop being an attention whore and just say the damn thing already.

[Adel]

because guardian is voting for him, silly, I am as well :p

[Incognito]

because guardian is voting for him, silly, I am as well :p

That's the most retarded reason ever.

[Matt_S]

Wow, this doesn't seem to be going anywhere. So let's try a different angle. Adel, why do you trust Guardian^2 when he replaced the person that was so scummy to everybody?

[Incognito]

Unvote; Vote: Adel

You need a damn vote for that one.

[Adel]

i thought I covered it, and you guys were just kidding around :(

he replaced in thinking that he would be mafia, and walk away from a "2 dead power roles from night 1" disaster for the town with one win and one loss.

On the other hand, Guardian is hella good at identifying scum,
so I'm willing to

unvote

and let him direct my vote for this day:
I will vote for whomever he votes for (save myself) and if we don't
lynch scum, we'll lynch Guardian tomorrow. If there are two deaths
tonight unless one of them is mafia, we will lynch Guardian tomorrow.

lol @ incog.

[Incognito]

lol @ incog.

This vote is the beginning of the sound of

your

death march.

[Adel]

You don't want to roll with me: I'm a tar baby. The more you fight the more you'll just get stuck. You would be better off just recognizing me as being like a lurker except I produce information. I win games as town. Besides, i will probably draw a nk soon enough that you won't have to worry about determining my alignment, the mod will do it for you.

[Incognito]

Is that a song?

[Erg0]

Ok, fine. Here's what I think: Adel's theory is that Guardian is scum and will immediately attempt to distance himself from his buddies by voting for one of them.

If

this is the basis for her vote (and I'm not sure that it is) then I have two problems with her approach:

1. From personal experience, Guardian cannot be relied upon to distance from his buddies when caught.

2. Now that Guardian's given his views, the correct play is to lynch him to verify that he actually is scum and

then

start trying to draw conclusions from his actions. Lynching Matt_S first won't prove anything at all about Guardian, regardless of the result, and I think it's a pretty dubious lynch in the first place.

It's important to remember that a mislynch today may mean that we have to rely on crosskills tonight to keep this game alive for the town. We don't have a spare lynch to play around with here.

[Matt_S]

So... who isn't going to be a lynch candidate today?

[Incognito]

I guess we may as well lynch the obvscum then before he toys around with our heads even more.

Unvote; Vote: Guardian

[Adel]

So... who isn't going to be a lynch candidate today?

everyone except Guardian or Oman, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise by Guardian.

[Matt_S]

So... who isn't going to be a lynch candidate today?

everyone except Guardian or Oman, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise by Guardian.

Uh.... Why won't Oman be a lynch candidate?

Vote Adel

[Adel]

damn double negatives.. the meaning got lost. I think tht only Guardian and Oman should be the lynch for today.

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@matt_s: why was that the thing that made you finally vote for me?

[Matt_S]

Crap, I think I was the one who was confused by the double negatives. At first I thought you were trying to keep Oman and Guardian from being lynched. However, now they're the only ones you want to lynch? That also seems odd, so I want an explanation first. Why did you change your mind?

[Incognito]

This is turning into a semantics argument.

Your question was "Who isn't going to be a lynch candidate today?"

Adel said: "Everyone [isn't going to be a lynch candidate] except Guardian and Oman".

There.

[Matt_S]

This is turning into a semantics argument.

Your question was "Who isn't going to be a lynch candidate today?"

Adel said: "Everyone [isn't going to be a lynch candidate] except Guardian and Oman".

There.

Alright, so, Adel, why the change of plans?

[Adel]

However, now they're the only ones you want to lynch? That also seems odd, so I want an explanation first. Why did you change your mind?

I didn't. Lynching Oman is a just a much higher priority than lynching Guardian to me based on my assessment of player's scummyness, but I also know that Guardian can nail scum easily, and it is conceivable that he is really a non-sane cop.

This is vollkan's first mini-normal, ad I know he saw the various posts in various threads in MD that spit hate on cops. The was, how-ever, asomewhat of a consensus that there have been too many cops in mini-normals, and there should me more alternative investigation roles (like watcher and tracker) and also more non-sane cops. I find it especially likely that cop-Guardian's sanity is Paranoid instead of Insane.

[Erg0]

I certainly agree with your last point. I had considered your first point, but we're getting a bit close to outguessing the mod there.

[Matt_S]

But why did you suddenly stop following Guardian? Is it because of what Erg0 said?

[Adel]

But why did you suddenly stop following Guardian?

my vote is still on you.

[Matt_S]

Yet you say that only Guardian and Oman are going to be lynch candidates.