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[Joey_]

I think Alisae's slot still has some big jumps in logic, despite the replacement.

albeit smaller jumps than before.

I think youre town and your attitude towards flub is unwarranted

I don't like

Alisae

Mathblade defending me by ignoring my wagon.
I don't think a policy lynch wagon counts as "counterwagon to scum." `

Why not? You could say that its hard to get a verbalized PL wagon, like no one and their mothers wants to be caught on a PL wagon, especially not scum. Why did that happen then? Maybe because there was an incentive outside the PL itself which is the CW to mefias.

[Nero Cain]

counterpoint: It's Math.

Why are you not voting Whiskers?

[Whiskers]

Also, you are using your play in this game as to try to prove me wrong that my theory or read or tell about ppl not engaging is scummy. You are trying to use hidden info (your alignement) to try to defend your point which is really absurd in a vacuum but also not something i think scum really do often but when they know what theyre doing

I mean, I guess?

It's less that I want you to reevaluate your Flubber read because I'm p sure you're stuck there-- I don't think I can ply you out of it (it's basically down to conf bias and "looks scummy to me!"), but I think you should read UCV/Lucky's slot with the same attitude in mind, and also mine, because I think that will reflect on your flubber read

[Joey_]

Also, you are using your play in this game as to try to prove me wrong that my theory or read or tell about ppl not engaging is scummy. You are trying to use hidden info (your alignement) to try to defend your point which is really absurd in a vacuum but also not something i think scum really do often but when they know what theyre doing

I mean, I guess?

It's less that I want you to reevaluate your Flubber read because I'm p sure you're stuck there-- I don't think I can ply you out of it (it's basically down to conf bias and "looks scummy to me!"), but I think you should read UCV/Lucky's slot with the same attitude in mind, and also mine, because I think that will reflect on your flubber read

Why dont you try to think about the world where, im just correct? Even if you disagree on how i got there

[Joey_]

Quick did a lot of shady shit but he also towntold, Flub is average and scummy and never did a single fucking town thing

[Whiskers]

I think Alisae's slot still has some big jumps in logic, despite the replacement.

albeit smaller jumps than before.

I think youre town and your attitude towards flub is unwarranted

I don't like

Alisae

Mathblade defending me by ignoring my wagon.
I don't think a policy lynch wagon counts as "counterwagon to scum." `

Why not? You could say that its hard to get a verbalized PL wagon, like no one and their mothers wants to be caught on a PL wagon, especially not scum. Why did that happen then? Maybe because there was an incentive outside the PL itself which is the CW to mefias.

I'm not 100% following you here.

However, I'll say: a PL wagon is based on emotion/personality (at least in this case) and is really easy to come out and say, "well, is this scummy? Yes. But so be it!! I stand by my vote" and/or, "we need a lynch! Couldn't lynch anybody else at this stage!" And so the vote analysis is washed away. Townies and scum can agree that "Quick is annoying/anti-town!" and that in and of itself invalidates all the PL votes on him because PLing isn't alignment indicative.

I think that wagon was

easier

to push through than the others we'd seen that Day on account of that security-- you

can't

be attacked for policy lynching somebody (especially if enough people are doing it that the wagon goes through). You

can't,

PLing isn't alignment indicative. The votes on Flubber were so weak that the case for PLing Quick was

stronger.

The votes on My wagon only moved onto Flubber after a considerable amount of time and a bunch of pressure-- really weird Blank Votes that came from townie-looking people.

PLUS my wagon came from every camp in the game. Beeboy and Nero and everybody-- everybody who scumread each other all came together to vote Whiskers. Everybody was unanimous, even scum. The fact that a mysterious wagon with Blank Votes came and saved me really tweaks me and saying that "oh actually the shitty quick wagon that everybody felt good about because they didn't have to think saved Flubber-- Flubber must be scum!" is wrong and bad.

idk, I'm tired and I think I've become incoherent.

[Joey_]

I think that wagon was easier to push through than the others we'd seen that Day on account of that security-- you can't be attacked for policy lynching somebody (especially if enough people are doing it that the wagon goes through). You can't, PLing isn't alignment indicative. The votes on Flubber were so weak that the case for PLing Quick was stronger. The votes on My wagon only moved onto Flubber after a considerable amount of time and a bunch of pressure-- really weird Blank Votes that came from townie-looking people.

hm no, pling is inherently really fucking AI

[Whiskers]

PLUS my wagon came from every camp in the game. Beeboy and Nero and everybody-- everybody who scumread each other all came together to vote Whiskers. Everybody was unanimous, even scum. The fact that a mysterious wagon with Blank Votes came and saved me really tweaks me and saying that "oh actually the shitty quick wagon that everybody felt good about because they didn't have to think saved Flubber-- Flubber must be scum!" is wrong and bad.

Like, here's a thing: Why would scum not just lynch me? Considering enemy camps were all down to vote, why would scum not just push that through? Why would they offload onto Flubber?
And then, why would they offload onto Quick? Because tbh, if Quick was the counterwagon to Flubber, and you want to analyse that, you have to be ready to consider why mafia wanted Quick and not flubber. And if they didn't want flubber, why was there even a flubber wagon in the first place?
flubber wagon didn't grow organically, it had a bunch of blank votes, and Nero. It's not like scum woudl have to try super hard to avoid a scum!Flubber lynch, just push/vote whiskers, and then the Flubber wagon never even forms. So IMO flubber isn't scum, scum wouldn't allow it.

[Nero Cain]

alternatively, what if scum

ARE

trying to save you for reasons other than you being scum and Flubb is a scumlead counter wagon.

hrmmm....

[Whiskers]

I think that wagon was easier to push through than the others we'd seen that Day on account of that security-- you can't be attacked for policy lynching somebody (especially if enough people are doing it that the wagon goes through). You can't, PLing isn't alignment indicative. The votes on Flubber were so weak that the case for PLing Quick was stronger. The votes on My wagon only moved onto Flubber after a considerable amount of time and a bunch of pressure-- really weird Blank Votes that came from townie-looking people.

hm no, pling is inherently really fucking AI

yeah except if it's really fucking AI then everybody on that wagon but me and Nauci are scum-- that's 7 people if I remember correctly.

alternatively, what if scum

ARE

trying to save you for reasons other than you being scum and Flubb is a scumlead counter wagon.

hrmmm....

I don't follow.

[Joey_]

The whiskers wagon was never a thing mostly because im loud af and many people swtiched off your wagon, including the alisae replace out. Your post about your pov is really flawed in many way

[Joey_]

I think that wagon was easier to push through than the others we'd seen that Day on account of that security-- you can't be attacked for policy lynching somebody (especially if enough people are doing it that the wagon goes through). You can't, PLing isn't alignment indicative. The votes on Flubber were so weak that the case for PLing Quick was stronger. The votes on My wagon only moved onto Flubber after a considerable amount of time and a bunch of pressure-- really weird Blank Votes that came from townie-looking people.

hm no, pling is inherently really fucking AI

yeah except if it's really fucking AI then everybody on that wagon but me and Nauci are scum-- that's 7 people if I remember correctly.

alternatively, what if scum

ARE

trying to save you for reasons other than you being scum and Flubb is a scumlead counter wagon.

hrmmm....

I don't follow.

Its easier to keep controversial townies that are self-destructive for the later aka harder stages of the games.

[Whiskers]

hrmmm....

I don't follow.[/quote]or i guess, i don't know what kind of reasons you could be entertaining.

The whiskers wagon was never a thing mostly because im loud af and many people swtiched off your wagon, including the alisae replace out.

i disagree, my wagon lasted the majority of Day 1. I was a wagon almost all throughout. I was a wagon when Dunkey was shot, I was a wagon up until people started going "well we can't lynch whiskers today, gotta vote PL Quick instead!"

[Nero Cain]

like in this scenario you and everyone pushing your wagon are town. You represent scum a lightning rod which keeps all the pressure off scum.

[Nero Cain]

Joey just thinks he's better than he really is. lol

[Joey_]

^

[Joey_]

Im actually pretty fucking good thank you nero, you also feared n1d me when i was your traitor so l0lz

[Nero Cain]

We shot you b/c we thought you were town and weren't going to get lynched you stupid dill hole.

[Joey_]

We shot you b/c we thought you were town and weren't going to get lynched you stupid dill hole.

lol same thing, anyway

[Nero Cain]

not really but whatever you need to tell yourself.

[TwoInAMillion]

Joey makes the game about himself instead of actually trying to find scum. Don't know if how this relates to his meta.

[Joey_]

Joey makes the game about himself instead of actually trying to find scum. Don't know if how this relates to his meta.

read my meta then and stop fucking whining about my play thx

[Nero Cain]

I knew I liked you, Monkey.

[TwoInAMillion]

Joey makes the game about himself instead of actually trying to find scum. Don't know if how this relates to his meta.

read my meta then and stop fucking whining about my play thx

Apparently you don't have enough meta.

[TwoInAMillion]

I knew I liked you, Monkey.

I love your little pet names.