Micro 745: Beyond Death [Endgame]

[Micc]

im gunna take the self vote as a concession. You can all do your things and hammer when ready but don't wait for me.

will you lynch yourself tomorrow for being wrong, just like me?

No

[BTD6_maker]

Is this a self-WFG?

In this situation, obviously scum will lose if they are lynched and so must avoid their lynch at any cost. Town, on the other hand, generally want to avoid their own lynch but in Northsidegal's case they can benefit from being lynched and becoming an IC.

If NSG is scum, they must be essentially using the self-WFG and hoping that their play, which is apparently suicidal for scum, is read as Town and thus they avoid the lynch. I would say that this is pretty unlikely as it would be gambling away the game. If scum, a much less risky strategy would be to simply go after another lynch candidate.

I am confident that NSG is Town, but of course not to the same extent as Cabd, or someone who doesn't hammer in LyLo.

That said, I do feel that we are wasting a lynch here. We still only have two mislynches to spare in the worst case. Of course, it is possible that we lynch a primed Townie, or Cabd is successful, but we will not know if that is the case.

That leaves four likely candidates (from my perspective): UC Voyager, Micc, CheekyTeeky, and Hopkirk. I would be very surprised if NSG or Papa Zito were scum.

At the moment, UC Voyager looks like the most likely. It looks like they were leveraging the interactions between Chip and me to scumread me. Of course, they were most likely not planning to target me specifically, but whoever they could get to agree with and Townread them. Was it likely that they were planning this beforehand? I would say it is moderately likely, which raises the probability of UC being scum above average.

VOTE: UC Voyager

PEdit: There is no point in voting today, of course.

[UC Voyager]

-still town-

that sucks. hopefully we get good uimput from you tomorroww

[northsidegal]

-still town-

that sucks. hopefully we get good uimput from you tomorroww

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[Hopkirk]

'UC Voyager, Micc, CheekyTeeky, and Hopkirk.' Is this in order (since UC is first)? If so why Micc before Cheeeky?

[UC Voyager]

I think BTD6 is scum. Simple as that...

[UC Voyager]

Is this a self-WFG?

In this situation, obviously scum will lose if they are lynched and so must avoid their lynch at any cost. Town, on the other hand, generally want to avoid their own lynch but in Northsidegal's case they can benefit from being lynched and becoming an IC.

If NSG is scum, they must be essentially using the self-WFG and hoping that their play, which is apparently suicidal for scum, is read as Town and thus they avoid the lynch. I would say that this is pretty unlikely as it would be gambling away the game. If scum, a much less risky strategy would be to simply go after another lynch candidate.

I am confident that NSG is Town, but of course not to the same extent as Cabd, or someone who doesn't hammer in LyLo.

That said, I do feel that we are wasting a lynch here. We still only have two mislynches to spare in the worst case. Of course, it is possible that we lynch a primed Townie, or Cabd is successful, but we will not know if that is the case.

That leaves four likely candidates (from my perspective): UC Voyager, Micc, CheekyTeeky, and Hopkirk. I would be very surprised if NSG or Papa Zito were scum.

At the moment, UC Voyager looks like the most likely. It looks like they were leveraging the interactions between Chip and me to scumread me. Of course, they were most likely not planning to target me specifically, but whoever they could get to agree with and Townread them. Was it likely that they were planning this beforehand? I would say it is moderately likely, which raises the probability of UC being scum above average.

VOTE: UC Voyager

PEdit: There is no point in voting today, of course.

as he lines up several miss lynches....

[Hopkirk]

Can you respond to this quickly.
'@UC: 673 In regard to the fourth point, what do you mean neither of them had a good mislynch? North had 2 votes and BTD had 3 at that point, there’s a clear counterwagon there that neither of them were on. This strikes me as town points for BTD, not scum points.'

[UC Voyager]

Can you respond to this quickly.
'@UC: 673 In regard to the fourth point, what do you mean neither of them had a good mislynch? North had 2 votes and BTD had 3 at that point, there’s a clear counterwagon there that neither of them were on. This strikes me as town points for BTD, not scum points.'

BTD6 was a bad miss lynch for scum team because BTD6 is scum
NSG was at 2 and didn't have the biggest case for...

[northsidegal]

by the way, in the interest of full transparency - the self-vote was equal parts appeal to emotion / theatrics and the stated reasons ie taking the confirm. i figured that if it didn't work out one way it'd work out the other. i guess i need to work on really selling it, or maybe i've just got a tough crowd. maybe it just doesn't work at all on some people.

[Hopkirk]

2 votes out of 5. One of them votes and it's 3/5, which is equal size to the BTD wagon.

[UC Voyager]

What does this mean?

[Hopkirk]

You said there was no counterwagon.
If either of them voted then BTD and North would both be on 3 votes.

[UC Voyager]

You said there was no counterwagon.
If either of them voted then BTD and North would both be on 3 votes.

Sum won't vote u less they have a good case...

[UC Voyager]

There wasn't enough to make a case on Noeth

[Hopkirk]

You said there was no counterwagon.
If either of them voted then BTD and North would both be on 3 votes.

Sum won't vote u less they have a good case...

This is untrue.

There wasn't enough to make a case on Noeth

There was two people on him already, not including me (and I'd made a case earlier). It's not legitimate to say that making a case on North would have been impossible for scum.

[BTD6_maker]

'UC Voyager, Micc, CheekyTeeky, and Hopkirk.' Is this in order (since UC is first)? If so why Micc before Cheeeky?

UC Voyager is indeed first. The rest is unordered for now.

as he lines up several miss lynches....

Once again, you are shoehorning to fit your pet theory. Given that I know I am Town, we all know Cabd is Town, and Northsidegal is flipping, that leaves five people. I have already stated why I think Papa Zito is unlikely to be scum. That leaves four people in my lynch pool. It's simple elimination.

You wanted me to respond to your case. Now I have. In my rebuttal I also asked several questions directed at you. Do you have anything to say about it?

[UC Voyager]

'UC Voyager, Micc, CheekyTeeky, and Hopkirk.' Is this in order (since UC is first)? If so why Micc before Cheeeky?

UC Voyager is indeed first. The rest is unordered for now.

as he lines up several miss lynches....

Once again, you are shoehorning to fit your pet theory. Given that I know I am Town, we all know Cabd is Town, and Northsidegal is flipping, that leaves five people. I have already stated why I think Papa Zito is unlikely to be scum. That leaves four people in my lynch pool. It's simple elimination.

You wanted me to respond to your case. Now I have. In my rebuttal I also asked several questions directed at you. Do you have anything to say about it?

hey. at least if i die, i can still push my case on you........I am very confidante your scum.

[BTD6_maker]

'UC Voyager, Micc, CheekyTeeky, and Hopkirk.' Is this in order (since UC is first)? If so why Micc before Cheeeky?

UC Voyager is indeed first. The rest is unordered for now.

as he lines up several miss lynches....

Once again, you are shoehorning to fit your pet theory. Given that I know I am Town, we all know Cabd is Town, and Northsidegal is flipping, that leaves five people. I have already stated why I think Papa Zito is unlikely to be scum. That leaves four people in my lynch pool. It's simple elimination.

You wanted me to respond to your case. Now I have. In my rebuttal I also asked several questions directed at you. Do you have anything to say about it?

hey. at least if i die, i can still push my case on you........I am very confidante your scum.

Then do you have any answers to the questions I asked you or to my rebuttal of your case?

[UC Voyager]

Well, now I have. I have been scumhunting throughout. I think that your "signs of town" do not work statistically. Is Town really more likely than random to show "signs of town"? Be specific about particular signs, then we can use statistics.

this seems to be the only one......
answer
town will actually contribute. another sign of town is voting for the scum
also scum reading the scum
being separate from town lynch
NOT saying "i dont have reads yet"

so on so on.....you seem to have done nothing to seem townie, and there are reasons to say you are scum!

[BTD6_maker]

Well, now I have. I have been scumhunting throughout. I think that your "signs of town" do not work statistically. Is Town really more likely than random to show "signs of town"? Be specific about particular signs, then we can use statistics.

this seems to be the only one......
answer
town will actually contribute. another sign of town is voting for the scum
also scum reading the scum
being separate from town lynch
NOT saying "i dont have reads yet"

so on so on.....you seem to have done nothing to seem townie, and there are reasons to say you are scum!

Read the rest of the post.

Firstly, I have actually contributed. Also, do you have statistics to show that Town contributes more than scum, on average?

Voting for the scum, scum reading the scum, and being separate from the Town lynch all require foreknowledge of the scum. What you are trying to say is that Town has to be right all the time. I already rebutted that. Also, have you ever heard of bussing? It's common.

That point is a PRATT. You keep on presenting it as a solid point without bothering to read the refutation. You have to address the refutation directly and why you think it is wrong. You are not doing so.

The last point is similar. I have said many, many times that I try to accurately show the strength of my reads, and I will not try to inflate them to make them stronger than is warranted. Are you suggesting that lying about reads is Townish?

[UC Voyager]

Well, now I have. I have been scumhunting throughout. I think that your "signs of town" do not work statistically. Is Town really more likely than random to show "signs of town"? Be specific about particular signs, then we can use statistics.

this seems to be the only one......
answer
town will actually contribute. another sign of town is voting for the scum
also scum reading the scum
being separate from town lynch
NOT saying "i dont have reads yet"

so on so on.....you seem to have done nothing to seem townie, and there are reasons to say you are scum!

Read the rest of the post.

Firstly, I have actually contributed. Also, do you have statistics to show that Town contributes more than scum, on average?

Voting for the scum, scum reading the scum, and being separate from the Town lynch all require foreknowledge of the scum. What you are trying to say is that Town has to be right all the time. I already rebutted that. Also, have you ever heard of bussing? It's common.

That point is a PRATT. You keep on presenting it as a solid point without bothering to read the refutation. You have to address the refutation directly and why you think it is wrong. You are not doing so.

The last point is similar. I have said many, many times that I try to accurately show the strength of my reads, and I will not try to inflate them to make them stronger than is warranted. Are you suggesting that lying about reads is Townish?

NO. what im saying is someone isn't voting for the scum, there is a greater chance they are scum. scum dont buss often! It is an ineffective strategy! When scum do buss, Town usually puts it together! I have played as scum before, and never have I tried bussing!

[Papa Zito]

maybe it just doesn't work at all on some people.

sup

[UC Voyager]

Man .....no flip yet....tbh. I'm kind of suprised

[Papa Zito]

Savor the anticipation.