Mini 1955: Perpetual MYLO III - Game Over!

[Viomi]

In all seriousness though, Kaede, why are you voting me? I'm trying to catch up but I'm having trouble sorting the useful posts from the swarm of useless ones. A recap or maybe a case or something would be nice.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

In all seriousness though, Kaede, why are you voting me? I'm trying to catch up but I'm having trouble sorting the useful posts from the swarm of useless ones. A recap or maybe a case or something would be nice.

My predecessor was voting your predecessor due to a meta case, i figured it was a good start to start interacting with people. Read my post here:

Actually that's not it.
But i've been trying to unentangle this knot of words of everyone, and figured out that probably my predecessor is the only one i can trust, but my predecessor was... quite peculiar in his way of explaining things, but he seemed pretty sure that acid was scum via meta or something.
Now the next issue i had is if he was just here to troll or was actually serious about it, and well given his reaction when the whole shenanigans that caused him to replace out it makes me think that he wasn't here to troll, tho i dont agree with the way he was pushing acid, but it's literally the only lead i have for now, i figure if he was so sure there must have been a reason for it. Reading ppl just from read back makes it harder for me to actually find alignments, and I need interactions, so i figure this is a good place to start.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I have a question tho, if you had ISO'd me you'd have noticed I never changed my predecessor's vote as I don't have any vote yet.
In the worst case scenario, you'd just try to find my vote on you and noticed it was nowhere, and I could've simply forgotten to unvote and/or havent needed to vote anyone else yet, and in the best case scenario you'd have found that post and we could start from there, why did you instead of doing this decided to just vote back?

[Chara]

i believe Kaede is town. Dunnstral could go either way. grouped together because of the Mulch/Michael thing.

...really, apologies for this day phase. this game is proving difficult. hopefully the next day will be easier to navigate with what's essentially a new playerlist.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Yeah. If I'm not correct in reading Kaede's most recent posts as town I should probably just give up at mafia.

[Lycanfire]

you're worrying me, shuichi

[Maki Harukawa]

I'm pretty sure Kaede and Shuchi have the same alignment town or scum I'll get back to you on that.

[Shuichi Saihara]

you're worrying me, shuichi

Likewise, bud!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Spoiler:

Viomi i hope you have an answer, i also want to hear from wicked because he's the leading wagon and it's one of the ppl im most interested in sorting out, worst comse to worst i'll just compromise.

Damn, basically new playerlist. Ok so there's a bit to go over but can't go into depth since on phone, just want to point out that the township someone keeps calling out is pretty much BS because then you have to do the same for the Mulch slot. Not to mention this is the second game out of three I've seen that same thing happen which I've been involved in the other one I think was scumrelated, so no I don't think it's a credible point.

Hate this post btw.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It feels like an attack on my TR to try to get me to change my mind than actual disagreement.

[Viomi]

I have a question tho, if you had ISO'd me you'd have noticed I never changed my predecessor's vote as I don't have any vote yet.
In the worst case scenario, you'd just try to find my vote on you and noticed it was nowhere, and I could've simply forgotten to unvote and/or havent needed to vote anyone else yet, and in the best case scenario you'd have found that post and we could start from there, why did you instead of doing this decided to just vote back?

I didn't ISO you. Or know it was your predecessor who had voted mine. I just saw the VC.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Then why vote on it, and why no interaction with chara?

[kunkstar7]

It feels like an attack on my TR to try to get me to change my mind than actual disagreement.

I disagree on you townreading someone based on that point, so it's both a disagreement and looking to either clarify your townread or make you look at that slot more seriously? If you have additional points in your townread I can't discuss those because I haven't studied them, I'm saying that if that's your whole townread then it's one with no basis and I will judge you accordingly.

[Wickedestjr]

Sorry everyone. Real life has been hectic. I'm almost caught up, so I won't have to replace out, but I don't have time to post tonight.

Back tomorrow morning

[Wickedestjr]

And I'm aware of the deadline btw

Less than 24 hours left

[Wisdom]

^scum

[Viomi]

Then why vote on it, and why no interaction with chara?

Don't tell me how to use my vote

Speaking of which..

[Viomi]

VOTE: wickedestjr

[Shuichi Saihara]

Ew.

I find myself wondering whether Wisdom is doing an experiment to see if saying the same thing enough times is all he needs to do to make it so.

VOTE: Viomi

[Miu Iruma]

So Pooichi and Wicked are scum together

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote. Vote: DiamondSentinel

I'm glad that this is finally getting more support again.

It's not reasonable to call him 'too scummy to be scum'. In particular, I'm voting him because a lot of his posts come across as fake/disingenuous and don't think that is explained by him having a weak town game. I will explain again.

In post 44 he implies lack of confidence in his abilities, but continues to have un-explained confidence in several of his posts later on:

-On page 4, his interaction with acid phoenix is really awkward - he is poking at him in a weird way and subtly implying that he is suspicious of acid, but without actually committing to suspecting/voting him. I ask him about this

and then

he states that acid is "quite obviously scum" and votes for him. Somehow despite lacking confidence in post 44, he has this unusual amount of confidence on page 5 but forgot to vote for him and is also not able to give any reasons for this read.

-He switches his vote to me, which implies that I am an even stronger scum read than acid. Again, he doesn't ever explicitly give his reasons for this vote. But a common theme in his posts is that he wholeheartedly doesn't believe that my play on page 2 was a play - he took it seriously even after I showed examples of me making that same move in the past. So his strong disbelief that I was making a 'gambit' looks fake.

-Again, weird confidence in a scum read towards Mulch in post 299. Here he's now

lining up lynches

but, again, no reason given for thinking Mulch is scum with me.

Even if he hadn't expressed lack of confidence in his abilities, these posts feel out of place. But the admission that he doesn't consider himself a strong player in combination with these posts makes me feel especially good about voting him right now. Two other bonus tidbits of fake-feeling Diamond comments include: him saying "If you want me to vote you, I can do that" while he appeared to be town reading me and blatantly ignoring the questions I asked him in posts 50-51, acting as if they didn't exist.

Come on people. Join me on this. At least I'm not repeating "Vote Diamond" over and over again without justifying it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Ew.

I find myself wondering whether Wisdom is doing an experiment to see if saying the same thing enough times is all he needs to do to make it so.

VOTE: Viomi

To be clear, his vote is prompted by Viomi responding to my question with aggression instead of an answer, but is also played into by acid's stupid v/w list and a sneaking suspicion that Michael/Mulch may have had a point, as much as they are clearly the villains in this situation; I'm now townreading one of those slots, to boot (though Kaede scum would be another point against Diamond imo).

So Pooichi and Wicked are scum together

Glad to see that critical thinking churning. Planning to just gloss over the concept of reasons, orrrr?

[Shuichi Saihara]

his vote > this vote

[Maki Harukawa]

I'm gonna have to deadline vote huh? Annoying.

[Wickedestjr]

If my last post isn't reason enough, how about the fact that my bandwagon is actual garbage?

Most of the people voting for me have done nothing to sort/engage with me despite naked voting. Lycan is the only person that has really tried justifying his vote but he has misrepped so many of my actions/posts. And Viomi, if you are seriously voting me for inactivity then that is incredibly unreasonable. I've consistently been one of the more active players, sorry I needed to focus on real life for four or five days.

-I feel like he has tried too hard to be useful while actively holding back the game state

Literally makes no sense. How can I be trying to be useful and holding back the game state at the same time? My vote for kunkstar wasn't me holding back his progress. All my vote accomplished was it put pressure on him and put him one closer to a lynch. If my vote was holding him back in someway then that's entirely his fault (but I don't think it had that affect).

--For instance, he has pointed out how self sacrifice will guarantee flips. I'm sure everybody (1) questioned how perpetual mylo worked (2) looked at the setup (3) realized the game would last a single day (4) looked at the mechanics that made the game perpetual.

This is a bizarre/dangerous assumption to make and an incorrect one as Chara confirmed. Have you heard the phrase 'better safe than sorry' ?

-Maki is a peripheral scumread of mine, and Wicked has scumread her, pushed Diamond, and when he reached a lull, did not interact with Maki when she attempted to clear the air with him. Wicked re-appears to place a vote on Kunk many posts later, when he could have done so sooner.
--I feel like this is some kind of a misstep as Wicked's read on Maki has never evolved and he has placed no effort in sorting her. If he thinks Maki is town, he should work with her, and do anything to progress the game on that front. If he thinks Maki is scum, all he has to do is repeat it at some point? (e.g.

great, you're still scum though

) I've been trying to get people to express their reads on Maki, and he is unable to do that.

There are so many things wrong with this. First: I never scum read Maki. Second: I made three or four posts talking to Maki, we agreed to disagree so there was no need to continue interacting. Third: You have heavily criticized my vote for kunkstar. Now you're criticizing how long it took me to cast the vote? Fourth: Your point about me not sorting Maki is incredibly unreasonable. I need to be interacting with every player in the game? How about the players who are voting me but not doing anything to sort me? Fifth: You never asked me what my read on Maki was, so don't say I'm unable to give one.

I felt quite good about Wicked and Acidphoenix until Wicked interfered with Acid. That's why that is my main point. I saw a part of my own work in their posts. This is further complicated by acid's interaction with Wicked. I see Wicked as scum, while acid might be scum over someone like Mulch for example.

Wrong. Acid asked people for their thoughts on his plan - I gave my thoughts - unintentionally 'ruining' his gambit - I didn't know it was a gambit. How many times do I need to explain that?

And to this day, I still don't understand your 'group dynamics' thing. If I felt like that were an important concept in this setup, then I would have brought it up.

You have been grasping at straws Lycan.