Newbie 1827: Baseball Game Over

[Thor665]

Still don’t see the VCA

I linked it to you (twice now) and quoted it to you like three posts ago when I was mocking that maybe you weren't smart enough to click a link.

Still don’t see posts wilky made day 1 with explanation.

That is true.
As I already said - that was never part of my case, and I see zero need to randomly make it up as part of my case for your benefit.

You haven’t given me jack shit.

That is untrue, and continues to be your empty whine which is shutting down functional communication.

[Apple Jack]

I'll agree that I didn't post anything with color coding.

See you said this which means you haven’t posted a proper VCA.

[Apple Jack]

That is true.

And until you do this and post a proper vca you can stop talking to me please.

[Apple Jack]

You also never posted color coded stuff for your claim that the VCA clear WIlky

Bye I’m pretty sure I’ve never said the vca clears anyone especially wilky. More lies

[Thor665]

So basically without pretty colors you can't cope?

Dude...

[Apple Jack]

That’s the generally accepted method of VCA. It’s probably the only kind I’ve ever seen in my 7 years on this site.

There could be anywhere from 0 to 2 scum on that wagon. Aside from just drawing a number out of a hat (which is very well what you could have done) there is nothing on the vote counts that I see that point to anyone definitely being scum.

[Apple Jack]

Your predecessor played like scum. Freaked out and fake claimed. Denied town info and when he said he would finally post it he replaced out. I’m not going excuse scummy play because of a fake claim.

Your play hasn’t done anything to make me doubt my scum read on your slot so we are at a stalemate it seems.

[gameplay506]

Prod dodge
might not get around to reading the last few page so a tldr would be nice

[Apple Jack]

Prod dodge
might not get around to reading the last few page so a tldr would be nice

Basically me asking for info from Thor and Thor not giving what I’m asking for.

Thor wants people to sheep him
Thor votes quick
Quick votes me
Thor defends me which is weird.

That’s probably it

[Apple Jack]

Taiho/cs/game all need more content.

[Thor665]

There could be anywhere from 0 to 2 scum on that wagon. Aside from just drawing a number out of a hat (which is very well what you could have done) there is nothing on the vote counts that I see that point to anyone definitely being scum.

Sure.
But the entire concept of VCA (which you appear to generally understand) tends to make logical law of average presumptions on scum placement.
Which would give the wagon very high odds of at least 1 scum.

And now that we accept that I did do VCA though without pretty colors, we're at a stalemate?
How about you answer a few of my questions that you have been avoiding while caterwauling?
Like talk me through the math of the odds of me being a scum fakeclaiming.
What is that actual odds I nailed that the way you're claiming I did?
Use the logics and then justify the vote on me outside of your case.
Because it's factually true that I'm currently the least likely player to be scum objectively - which means either you don't understand logic, don't care about logic, or are so convinced that your case is right that you're disregarding logic and making up stuff to try to get me lynched over.

it's really dumb.

Prod dodge
might not get around to reading the last few page so a tldr would be nice

I suspect Quick and Wilky.
Most of the game is lurksacks.

What are your current reads, caught up or not?

[Apple Jack]

But the entire concept of VCA (which you appear to generally understand) tends to make logical law of average presumptions on scum placement.
Which would give the wagon very high odds of at least 1 scum.

I wouldn’t say high odds. Uc was scummy so it’s very likely it is all town. It could be one scum and I think that’s you. If it’s 2 scum it’s you and wilky probably as that’s the only pairing that makes sense.

I can’t see scum wilky paired with anyone else.

It’s posisble scum is in the lurkers. But who knows. It would basically just be a policy lynch.

I can’t imag you’ve asked anything of me that’s actually important so consolidate all
Your questions and I’ll decide if any are important or not.

I haven’t seen anything from you that makes me think you are town so I am not unvoting you unless we get to deadline and my vote is needed to prevent a NL

[Thor665]

I can’t see scum wilky paired with anyone else.

Why not?

I can’t imag you’ve asked anything of me that’s actually important so consolidate all
Your questions and I’ll decide if any are important or not.

You justifying voting me and shutting down when logic directly proves I'm the most likely town player currently would be a nice starting point.

I haven’t seen anything from you that makes me think you are town so I am not unvoting you unless we get to deadline and my vote is needed to prevent a NL

Well, you're also making up half rules and whiny gak to call me scum, so it's probably coloring your view

[Apple Jack]

Why not?

Cause I don’t see anyone who tried to prevent his lynch outside of tsq. Tsq made up a scum slip accusation to push a mislynch

[Quick]

Those are not bad points, but through all this, he's thought I was Sus at multiple points throughout the game and still has his vote on the claimed IC instead of me. I find that to be pretty suspect myself. I mean, you can argue "oh its just bad play" but at the end of the Day, when people play like that they most certainly deserve some scrutiny. IDK why you are so quick to write him off as Town. I just don't get that. I just find it weird how DH basically says he's not going to push anything D1 and then D2 he has the game solved. I just don't understand that.

You are again arguing bad play.
Let me ask this;

If he's scum, and if you're town, and he spent a lot of time suggesting you were scum - why would he avoid voting you today considering you look like a perfectly functional mislynch?
Why would he derp along with his super weak "Thor didn't gainsay my derp super directly" case?
I think it's because he thinks he's clever.
Not that he's scum.
Like, scum would be fine voting you, right?

Bad play DOES deserve scrutiny. If it doesn't why do you keep going back and forth with him if you think he is Town?
We still have quite a bit of time left in the day. IDK why he doesn't vote me over keeping his vote on you, but I def don't think its "clever"

[Thor665]

The lynch didn't go through though.
So clearly some people either supported it in word only and no vote, or some people didn't support it in word or vote.
Why are none of those slots potential scumbuddies?

[Thor665]

Bad play DOES deserve scrutiny. If it doesn't why do you keep going back and forth with him if you think he is Town?

Well;
1. I never said it didn't deserve scruitiny - so you have successfully smashed a straw man.
2. If I think he's town, and I also think he's being a twit and blind and tunneled - it helps my wincon to smack him around until either he proves he's a man-baby and replaces out, or he proves he has brains and opens his eyes.

We still have quite a bit of time left in the day. IDK why he doesn't vote me over keeping his vote on you, but I def don't think its "clever"

I don't think it's clever either.
What I'm failing to see is why it's a good plan for scum.
You haven't explained that part either, so...?

[Thor665]

Unvote: Quick
Vote: gameplay506

Also, until Wilky comes back to assess the 'lie' in his case on Quick, I'm pretty 'meh' on that lynch.
So let's lynch a lurker who is prod dodging instead just for yucks.

[Quick]

Bad play DOES deserve scrutiny. If it doesn't why do you keep going back and forth with him if you think he is Town?

Well;
1. I never said it didn't deserve scruitiny - so you have successfully smashed a straw man.

This is what I said:

Those are not bad points, but through all this, he's thought I was Sus at multiple points throughout the game and still has his vote on the claimed IC instead of me. I find that to be pretty suspect myself. I mean, you can argue "oh its just bad play"

but at the end of the Day, when people play like that they most certainly deserve some scrutiny.

IDK why you are so quick to write him off as Town. I just don't get that. I just find it weird how DH basically says he's not going to push anything D1 and then D2 he has the game solved. I just don't understand that.

So I am not arguing a straw man at all.

2. If I think he's town, and I also think he's being a twit and blind and tunneled - it helps my wincon to smack him around until either he proves he's a man-baby and replaces out, or he proves he has brains and opens his eyes.

Well, he could also just not change his mind as well.

We still have quite a bit of time left in the day. IDK why he doesn't vote me over keeping his vote on you, but I def don't think its "clever"

I don't think it's clever either.
What I'm failing to see is why it's a good plan for scum.
You haven't explained that part either, so...?

It doesn't have to be a "good plan for Scum" Scum do things that don't make much sense to us all the time. I certainly can't see the Town mindset behind it. Unless he changes his mind, I don't see this as a Town play. But let's look at what is actually happening.

He says Shea was Scum for pushing a lynch using the argument of "Slip". The lynch did in fact go through. Then Shea gets voted up D2 and claims at L-2. Derpy still has yet to take his vote off because he is convinced that wilky and Shea/you are Scum. A possible was this could be a good Scum play is to hide in plain sight. This was if you never get lynched, he can't be pined for mislynching you.

[Quick]

Unvote: Quick
Vote: gameplay506

Also, until Wilky comes back to assess the 'lie' in his case on Quick, I'm pretty 'meh' on that lynch.
So let's lynch a lurker who is prod dodging instead just for yucks.

Finally! Someone besides me thinks gameplay is Scummy.

VOTE: gameplay

[Apple Jack]

The lynch didn't go through though.
So clearly some people either supported it in word only and no vote, or some people didn't support it in word or vote.
Why are none of those slots potential scumbuddies?

The people who supported it are both dead. One was the counter to wilky and the other was the NK.

That’s why wilky/tsq make the MOST sense. If wilky were town I feel like there would have been more votes for him.

[mhsmith0]

Prodding taiho.
This would be CSBlastoise's fourth prod in two day phases, so he is being force-replaced for inactivity.

[Apple Jack]

The people who supported it are both dead. One was the counter to wilky and the other was the NK.

and had you ACTUALLY done a proper VCA YOU would have known that...

[Apple Jack]

Prodding taiho.
This would be CSBlastoise's fourth prod in two day phases, so he is being force-replaced for inactivity.

thank you

[Thor665]

So I am not arguing a straw man at all.

Show where I said you shouldn't give him scrutiny and then you'll prove it's not a straw man.

Well, he could also just not change his mind as well.

That is a possibility.

It doesn't have to be a "good plan for Scum" Scum do things that don't make much sense to us all the time.

Unfortunately so do Town.

He says Shea was Scum for pushing a lynch using the argument of "Slip". The lynch did in fact go through. Then Shea gets voted up D2 and claims at L-2. Derpy still has yet to take his vote off because he is convinced that wilky and Shea/you are Scum. A possible was this could be a good Scum play is to hide in plain sight. This was if you never get lynched, he can't be pined for mislynching you.

So his plan was to push a vote on something that wouldn't go through so he couldn't be blamed for me flipping town?
What about tonight - was the scum plan to not kill me then also? If I died and flipped town anyone pushing me would be an immediate potential suspect and get attention.

Finally! Someone besides me thinks gameplay is Scummy.

I actually don't think he's scummy, I just think he's lurky.
Why is he scummy?

The lynch didn't go through though.
So clearly some people either supported it in word only and no vote, or some people didn't support it in word or vote.
Why are none of those slots potential scumbuddies?

The people who supported it are both dead. One was the counter to wilky and the other was the NK.

That’s why wilky/tsq make the MOST sense. If wilky were town I feel like there would have been more votes for him.

Looking at the mod in ISO the Wilky wagon was never larger than 2 votes - when was the height of that wagon to the point you don't think scum bussed him?