Newbie 1827: Baseball Game Over

[Thor665]

@Derp

CsBlastoise never voted or attacked Wilky - why do you clear him?

[Apple Jack]

I didn’t clear him but usually the easiest solution is the right one this is the easiest and most obvious one.

Tsq trying to imply he as scum wouldn’t aggressively push like he did but I found an example where he as scum did exactly that. Hard pushed a “scum slip”.

It’s generally accepted on this site that “scum slips” aren’t ever true scum slips. I’m not willing to believe he didn’t know that and also didn’t believe it.

[Apple Jack]

why do you clear him?

your turn.

how do you clear him?

and don't give me any bs cause right now you are scum reading wilky/quick

[wilky]

that's not true at all that I didn't agree with it. My position on this has remained the same. I didn't think it was a slip, but I did think it was Scummy.

I'm very interested by this - Wilky, could you please show where Quick agreed with it and then changed his position?

VOTE: UC Voyager since no one else is voting for gameplay and the slot could be Scum considering what shea has said about the slot combined with UCV not really doing anything Townie.

this is L-1.

"considering what shea said"

Going to

VOTE: thestatusquo

For being so sure UCV was Scum and then saying it was because it was a slip.

There's the posts there that I was referring too

[wilky]

This game is so frustrating. We’ve got 2 players who aren’t even playing. One who won’t make a case when asked and is basically only town read due to a Pr claim yet doesn’t bother correcting me when I call him the wrong one which is highly suspect. One who’s hiding under an alt acting like he doesn’t know how to play, one who is probably scum and hasn’t defended himself wel and isn’t scum hunting well, and myself who is single handily the person trying their hardest to win. Idk why I care so much when it’s clear nobody else does.

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You're heads so far up your own ass you can see your stomach.

You're definitely not playing this game well when you're tunnelled on someone who has claimed with no cc. I also think that Thor did make a case on me although not a good one but you keep on insisting he hasn't done something he has and it's not taking the game any further forward.

Also nice to see Quick sheeping Thor again...

[Apple Jack]

if I unvote thor I am voting you.

as I said lack of a cc can be explained.

[wilky]

if I unvote thor I am voting you.

as I said lack of a cc can be explained.

Go ahead... Is that supposed to make me take back what I said?

[Apple Jack]

No it isn’t but you have to learn that not every claim is going to be legit and just because there isn’t a cc, they still might not be telling the truth.

What if this setup has no tracker? No cc is going to happen.
What if actual role wants to stay quiet so they can clear more people? That’s an acceptable strategy as well.

Whatever. This game isn’t worth my aggravation.

VOTE: wilky

[wilky]

No it isn’t but you have to learn that not every claim is going to be legit and just because there isn’t a cc, they still might not be telling the truth.

What if this setup has no tracker? No cc is going to happen.
What if actual role wants to stay quiet so they can clear more people? That’s an acceptable strategy as well.

Whatever. This game isn’t worth my aggravation.

VOTE: wilky

If theirs no tracker a cc could come from both jailkeeper and cop no? Whilst someone may not be cc'ing just now how likely is that to be the case? I'd imagine there's a lot more chance that Thor is telling the truth here and until there is a cc I don't see much point in pursuing it the way you have.

[Apple Jack]

Yes one of them could cc bit like I said what if they want to live longer to catch more scum?

Let’s say this setup is 2 across. Mafia claims tracker to force a cop to claim and boom cop is blocked and now they render cop useless.

I don’t know much about newbie games but I know mafia in general and I’ve seen scum fake claim and get lynched despite a cc. It’s something people have to consider. Giving Thor/tsq a town read JUST cause the claim is teaching bad habits when you move out of the newbie que. at least force them to explain themselves even if he is legit. Tsq replaces out denying us info. Thor is using semantics to deny us info.

That is NOT ok

[Apple Jack]

I get nobody is going to lynch him today. But people shouldn’t be rolling over and sheeping him either.

[wilky]

I get nobody is going to lynch him today. But people shouldn’t be rolling over and sheeping him either.

No-one is sheeping him bar Quick though. I'm willing to put him down as town until something otherwise becomes apparent. I thought TSQ was playing poorly but I don't really think Thor has done too much wrong yet you just seem hell bent on making it seem that way.

[Apple Jack]

If you ever saw a proper VCA. You’d know he’s not done one and he certainly isn’t willing to do one.

But you don’t seem to care too much so I’m not going to anymore. I’ll let him bus you.

[Apple Jack]

This thread is old but the general narrative is VCAs work.

Read the first post. That explains how a proper VCA is supposed to go down. Thor saying it isn’t like he did earlier is direct contradiction to what is generally accepted/expected when somebody does vote count analysis.

He’s misleading people as the IC which isn’t allowed when it comes to playing the game and mafia theory.

[Apple Jack]

Forgot the link - viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15242

[Apple Jack]

Or this thread. Mastin is the best mind on site - viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16540

[gameplay506]

What are your current reads, caught up or not?

wikly, quick, cs can all die
taiho is so-so, leaning town. I like him but he has parked his vote on cs who has been practically offline the whole game and has done nothing else
derpy is town
your slot is so-so. Awful plays but uncc'd

Wilky has been extremely scummy all day 1 and day 2. His behavior today is off and makes me feel like he is trying to lurk himself out of a lynch. And he has been extremely neutral and meh which backs up my thoughts.
Quick as I already said is either braindead or scum. His vote hopping today is something I can't explain and its backed by such shallow reasoning.
Cs's hammer was bad and his posts have all gave me neutral to scum vibes.

Also I do not intend to read walls. So that fight between thor and derpy is a no.

[gameplay506]

Idk what's worst
Quicks votes and unvotes
or wilkys neutrality and the fact he steps up his activity when somebody votes/pressures him

[wilky]

Idk what's worst
Quicks votes and unvotes
or wilkys neutrality and the fact he steps up his activity when somebody votes/pressures him

I said at the time when I was less active that I just didn't have the time to be active and said I could start being more active again at the weekend, it just happened to be that I became active again when pressure votes etc started on me.

[gameplay506]

Ye you became active
Actively concerned with yourself and not who is scum

[wilky]

Also, regarding "trying to lurk himself out of a lynch" you have been pretty inactive over the course of D2 and even came in with a prod dodge yet i'm the one lurking to avoid lynch.
What posts from CS have looked scummy to you? I can see the hammer one and possibly his first first post as looking a bit scummy but have his others looked scummy to you aswell?

[wilky]

Ye you became active
Actively concerned with yourself and not who is scum

You say it as if I only became active because of that though. So what you are saying is when I said last week I would be a bit more inactive until the weekend I could foresee what was going to happen in the future once I was able to be more active?

[gameplay506]

Also, regarding "trying to lurk himself out of a lynch" you have been pretty inactive over the course of D2 and even came in with a prod dodge yet i'm the one lurking to avoid lynch.
What posts from CS have looked scummy to you? I can see the hammer one and possibly his first first post as looking a bit scummy but have his others looked scummy to you aswell?

I was not in danger of a lynch
I actually posted quite a lot at the beginning of d2 just lost interest when those fights between derpy & ic slot occurred
So you can't really make those 2 equal
And about CS, I don't know his iso by heart but its the general vibe that his posts give. I rely a lot on feelings and that's a good enough reason for me.

[gameplay506]

Ye you became active
Actively concerned with yourself and not who is scum

You say it as if I only became active because of that though. So what you are saying is when I said last week I would be a bit more inactive until the weekend I could foresee what was going to happen in the future once I was able to be more active?

The self defense has transitioned to flailing, how nice

[wilky]

Ye you became active
Actively concerned with yourself and not who is scum

You say it as if I only became active because of that though. So what you are saying is when I said last week I would be a bit more inactive until the weekend I could foresee what was going to happen in the future once I was able to be more active?

The self defense has transitioned to flailing, how nice

Not at all, I said I would be inactive a little and gave a timescale to it aswell.