You do realize this statement is unreliable, right? Like, what was the point of typing that out?In post 447, Xiao Long wrote:I will concede this is true, but it doesn't apply to me because I'm not scum.In post 445, Apple Jack wrote:Btw scum have been caught in rvs so nothing is excluded in this game
All posts matter, whether made in jest or not. This is not a valid defense.Xiao Long claimed scum in his first post.RVS throw away post. Unless you think I trust tell?
And he's voting for nobody. I want to see what he does when his supposed read starts getting votes. Too bad for you.When feuds aren't actually trying to lynch each other, it's a distancing technique. Seriously, they've been feuding since Derpy's first post.I'm literally voting him now trying to get others to vote him.[/b]
Like I said, you're working together. Let's see what Derpy does.First post admitting that they won't be lynching their reads. In this case, we even get an explicit admission that they won't lynch their read/feud in Derpy's first post. Second post admits to a desire to cast the hammer. Scum behavior.This was Derpy, not me
So you agree with the read. Great.Couching scumreads as "I don't like anti-town behavior". This is an attempt to build deniability for leaving the wagon if it accidentally grows. Calling it now that Derpy will attempt to defuse any Xiao Long wagon. "I just dislike him, that's not a reason to lynch him".Then this is also about Derpy and not me?
Because it's indicative of nervousness or anxiety. We're not in a rush here. Why are you?Always wagon "fake" hammers.Why tho?
For those of you keeping score at home, this is an attempt to divert from my points in favor of attacking those who agree with them.In post 452, Xiao Long wrote:WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US REAL ANALYSIS DINNERNOODLES?
You are either scum or played bad on purpose.In post 448, Wossi wrote:And Derpy, your play is problematic to me and I'm not scum nor playing badly on purpose.
Derpy is going to make sure my neighbor is lynched cause he’s caught scum.In post 451, Lord Gurgi wrote:Let's see what Derpy does.
I’m not voting day one if I don’t have to. And if I do it’s a hammer vote.In post 451, Lord Gurgi wrote:Hey Derpy, throw a vote on this wagon.
That’s why I’d rather vig shoot him. Hopefully we have one.In post 455, Nauci wrote:I'm beginning to feel like XL is low hanging fruit.
OMFG HI!In post 435, Lord Gurgi wrote:Hello, I'm replacing Sheep. Mod hasn't announced it yet, hope this is okay.
Gonna call Derp Hooves/Xiao Long team.
VOTE: Xiao Long. Starting with the one I'm more confident on.
- Xiao Long claimed scum in his first post.
- When feuds aren't actually trying to lynch each other, it's a distancing technique. Seriously, they've been feuding since Derpy's first post.
- First post admitting that they won't be lynching their reads. In this case, we even get an explicit admission that they won't lynch their read/feud in Derpy's first post. Second post admits to a desire to cast the hammer. Scum behavior.
- Couching scumreads as "I don't like anti-town behavior". This is an attempt to build deniability for leaving the wagon if it accidentally grows. Calling it now that Derpy will attempt to defuse any Xiao Long wagon. "I just dislike him, that's not a reason to lynch him".
- Always wagon "fake" hammers.
PS. Hey Porkens, long time.
Explain yourselfIn post 431, Dunkerdoodles wrote:kinda want to sheep this tbhIn post 379, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Porkens
I’m not going to have much time today or tomorrow, but I will get to this game.
I think Porkens is scum taking advantage for a mislynch on Wossi.
There is a fundamental connection between anxiety and the perceived weakness, to do with human tendency to view loss as more significant than equivalent gain. Fearing further losses, humans react extremely to even the suggestion of danger. In Mafia, this leads scum to be prone to play around with hammer brinksmanship. Especially it leads them to anticipate dropping the hammer and in turn to attempt to excuse it in advance. Both Derpy and Xiao Long have done this to different degrees.In post 454, Nauci wrote:LG: why do you think fake hammer bait is indicative of anxiety?
Let's pick it.In post 455, Nauci wrote:I'm beginning to feel like XL is low hanging fruit.
This table is giving plenty to read without my prodding. I'll be more town later, deal?
I'll tell you after you post a case or something that actually gives us some real information. Deal?In post 450, Chickadee wrote:I like Lord Gurgi. He's a thinker.
Wossi is still my preferred lynch today.
You do realize this statement is unreliable, right? Like, what was the point of typing that out?
Yes, ALL posts matter, not just the very first one. Which is why I think hinging your whole case on that post is weak play, and makes me think there's at least one scum constantly blowing up the point so that the sheepish townies will be like, "Durr, makes sense to me he would claim scum during rvs"In post 451, Lord Gurgi wrote: All posts matter, whether made in jest or not. This is not a valid defense.
Join the club, dawg. I've tried everything I can to get him to vote for SOMEBODY.And he's voting for nobody. I want to see what he does when his supposed read starts getting votes. Too bad for you.
Don't hold your breath.Like I said, you're working together. Let's see what Derpy does.
I don't think Derpy will do that. Like I said before, I think he's going to be like, "You guys should reallllly lynch Xiao" the whole time without actually voting so he has some deniability when I flip town.So you agree with the read. Great.
I mean, if it were a real hammer I could see that, but I don't get how a fake hammer is indicative of that. Seemed like a good opportunity to try something so I could get some reactions from Wossi, but then Derpy fucked it all up.Because it's indicative of nervousness or anxiety. We're not in a rush here. Why are you?
Ok then
Xiao Long: Saying that you haven't used the joke defense much does not undermine the point.
I don't know what you mean by this.Your defense to Derpy, probably an attempt to make them look more reasonable than me, is similarly weak.
It's not a diversion, Tyrrion is literally the first person to suggest someone vig me. I thought you were claiming I was trying to tell people to vig me.So is misinterpreting me: I was saying that Derpy called for the vigilante kill. Not an accusation against you. Good to be defensive and attempt to divert to a third person though. Real tricky of you.
I guess? It's a whole game of players I've never played with, and I was the first person to post. Really was not expecting people to be trippin that much over it. I think spending the entirety of day 1 WIFOMing over an rvs post is probably the least productive thing town can do.In post 454, Nauci wrote: P.S. That RVS post was straight up awful WIFOM baiting bs, XL. It's bad play regardless of your alignment and both makes you suspicious and wastes town time with stupid WIFOM posting. It's only downhill from there.
Oh, weird, especially since he's now voting me?Pedit: I think he was saying he town reads you (for whatever reason), and also town reads Derpy for tunneling on you.
Also he was referring to Derpy's call to vig you that was like, in the last page.
lol get off your high horse. XL was never going to be today’s lynch. I’ve always advocated him being vig killed.In post 464, Lord Gurgi wrote:I feel vindicated by Derpy's sudden cessation of feuding with Xiao Long and continued vigilante calls. Won't lynch him Day One. "Hopes" that a vigilante will kill him Night One. Day Two there will be new information that will make all this a thing of the past.
You really can't help yourself, can you?
Nauci, please be patient with me until I can get on a computer and dive into ISO. Animetrix is ringing alarm bells to me, and then by extension you too by defending and "normalizing" what I saw as his scummiest postIn post 454, Nauci wrote:Also... XL wasn't joking with the fake hammer? It was Wossi bait? Like the whole argument was because Derpy shat on that gambit and didn't take it seriously?
P.S. That RVS post was straight up awful WIFOM baiting bs, XL. It's bad play regardless of your alignment and both makes you suspicious and wastes town time with stupid WIFOM posting. It's only downhill from there.
Pedit: I think he was saying he town reads you (for whatever reason), and also town reads Derpy for tunneling on you.
Also he was referring to Derpy's call to vig you that was like, in the last page.
Wossi I post exactly why I scum read your posts... You haven't shown evidence of either Anime or I seeking affirmation it's a shitty claim and your defense of lurking is scummy af. Idgaf how you read me, only *why.*
LG: why do you think fake hammer bait is indicative of anxiety?
That's not the whole of my case against you. This post-hoc milquetoast mafia theory is unimpressive. Does using "Durr" to discredit an argument pass muster these days?In post 466, Xiao Long wrote:Yes, ALL posts matter, not just the very first one. Which is why I think hinging your whole case on that post is weak play, and makes me think there's at least one scum constantly blowing up the point so that the sheepish townies will be like, "Durr, makes sense to me he would claim scum during rvs"In post 451, Lord Gurgi wrote: All posts matter, whether made in jest or not. This is not a valid defense.
As I said when I cast the vote, Derpy will refuse to join it despite not retracting his read of you. He'll gradually distance and attempt to use his "I don't vote Day One" strategy to survive tomorrow or revise his read of you if you don't get lynched. Derpy's even admitting to backing off as predicted.Join the club, dawg. I've tried everything I can to get him to vote for SOMEBODY.And he's voting for nobody. I want to see what he does when his supposed read starts getting votes. Too bad for you.
Don't hold your breath.Like I said, you're working together. Let's see what Derpy does.
Ah so the difference between my read of his motivations and yours is that you "know you're town". Please.I don't think Derpy will do that. Like I said before, I think he's going to be like, "You guys should reallllly lynch Xiao" the whole time without actually voting so he has some deniability when I flip town.So you agree with the read. Great.
See longer response about brinksmanship.I mean, if it were a real hammer I could see that, but I don't get how a fake hammer is indicative of that. Seemed like a good opportunity to try something so I could get some reactions from Wossi, but then Derpy fucked it all up.Because it's indicative of nervousness or anxiety. We're not in a rush here. Why are you?
I'm going to put this in my signature after you get lynched.I thought you were claiming I was trying to tell people to vig me.
Was meant to be a "your" in reference to Derpy's case, not specifically your case. I'm not using durr to discredit, I'm using it to show how people are just mindlessly agreeing with it instead of doing their own work.In post 472, Lord Gurgi wrote:That's not the whole of my case against you. This post-hoc milquetoast mafia theory is unimpressive. Does using "Durr" to discredit an argument pass muster these days?In post 466, Xiao Long wrote:Yes, ALL posts matter, not just the very first one. Which is why I think hinging your whole case on that post is weak play, and makes me think there's at least one scum constantly blowing up the point so that the sheepish townies will be like, "Durr, makes sense to me he would claim scum during rvs"In post 451, Lord Gurgi wrote: All posts matter, whether made in jest or not. This is not a valid defense.
Then vote Derpy?As I said when I cast the vote, Derpy will refuse to join it despite not retracting his read of you. He'll gradually distance and attempt to use his "I don't vote Day One" strategy to survive tomorrow or revise his read of you if you don't get lynched. Derpy's even admitting to backing off as predicted.
SureAh so the difference between my read of his motivations and yours is that you "know you're town". Please.
I must have missed it. I'll check.See longer response about brinksmanship.
SureI'm going to put this in my signature after you get lynched.
Can you simplify this, cause it doesn't make any sense at all to me.In post 464, Lord Gurgi wrote:There is a fundamental connection between anxiety and the perceived weakness, to do with human tendency to view loss as more significant than equivalent gain. Fearing further losses, humans react extremely to even the suggestion of danger. In Mafia, this leads scum to be prone to play around with hammer brinksmanship. Especially it leads them to anticipate dropping the hammer and in turn to attempt to excuse it in advance. Both Derpy and Xiao Long have done this to different degrees.In post 454, Nauci wrote:LG: why do you think fake hammer bait is indicative of anxiety?