Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

[Toaster Strudel]

Vollkan, give us your opinion on Battle Mage vs Schismatized.

...and consider voting for one or the other. That would be nice.

[Battle Mage]

wow, totally forgot this game was still going. 0.o
I'll try and give the thread a glance over tonight or tomorrow.

BM

You're at L-3. Make it good.

Ooh, i'm quaking in my boots. What are the charges? Chronic Lurking? Forgetfulness?

[vollkan]

Ooh, i'm quaking in my boots. What are the charges? Chronic Lurking? Forgetfulness?

See below.

Vollkan's thoughts on BM:

PBPA of BM

0: Self-vote
1: Swaps to Erg0 for pushing (jokingly it looks) a policy lynch on ABR
2: Explains why he think policy lynches are bad
3: Swaps to hasd and asks for the "semi-random" vote to be explained
4: Calls hasd "mr Defensive" after he explained his vote as requested
5: Votes Peers "It's never too early to hunt scum"
6: Votes Viper; seems to be because viper is the only person on the BM wagon who BM doesn't know
7: Says he is votehopping for fun and reaction
8: Votes peers for self-voting
9: Swaps to Kscope. No explanation
10: Doesn't think Peers has played with him or ABR before, and thus thinks that Peers cannot make meta comments. Votes Peers.

I have to say that, by this point, I am unimpressed with BM's play. He's essentially just posting nonsense.

11: Wants mert
12: Notes TS being over-aggressive

I hate non-meta-based accusations of "over-aggressive" as much as I hate non-meta-based accusations of "defensive"/"overeactive"/"emotional"/etc.

13: Nonsense
14: Ditto
15: "Peers reeks of scum to me."
16: Says Sik's play is consistent with him being town, and that Peers is the play
17: "oh dear me! Not QUAGMIRE!?"
18: Asks what Quag meant
19: Says hi to MoS
20: Asks if Sik is enjoying the game
21: Repeats question
22: He says the reason he asked is sik has been flaking from some games
23: Sik responds by saying that his flaking was based on who else was playing. BM asks for a list of games he is currently playing in. Swaps vote to ABR for setting up lynches.
24: Thinks ABR's reasons for voting Peers are bad
25: FoSes TS for thinking Peers was not talking about himself when he said he knew someone was 100% town (I assume she thought it was a cop claim)

Scummy how?

26: Votes Ts for hopping back on the wagon after this was pointed out ('this' being that Peers meant himself)
27: Accuses ABR of an appeal to emotion where he didn't actually make one; says his voting is jumpy, but he will have data when he reviews; did not attack TS for unvoting but, rather, for misinterpreting and unvoting quickly

Yes...because unvoting a person who you think has claimed cop is dreadfully scummy

28: Doesn't think his Peers relationship is distancing (BM voted Peers initialy, then moved to the defensive) because the defensive part would defeat the purpose of the distancing. THinks Peers is probably a better lynch than Sik, but would like to see ABR hang.
29: Wants Sik to answer his request
30: "policy lynches are ridiculously dumb. MoS knows this really. "
31: Asks Peers for flavour after mason claim
32: nothing
33: ABR also asked for flavour; then he asked BM why he asked. Votes ABR
34: Confirms vote because ABR blew BM's flavour trap
36: Was hoping Peers would mess up and forget the vanilla pm had been given already
37: Is amazed at ABR's idiocy
38: Weird..."if i was convinced you were scum, i'd be voting for you" -> BM was voting for ABR when he said this. He then goes on to say ABR is not the scummiest.
39: Anti-town can be scummy
40: nothing
41: Wants to ignore MoS and lynch ABR
42: Accuses Peers of butt-kissing
43: Says MoS needs to get his act together
44: Wants Quag to explain his suspicion of TS
45: Thinks Jordan makes good points
46: "i guess i can go for an MoS wagon. Unvote, Vote; MoS. IGMEOY: ABR" This coming fom the guy who called for ignoring MoS...
47: Is more pleased with his vote after ABR starts defending MoS
48: Joins Quag wagon to force participation
49: Says he is not pushing Quag lynch but is trying to force a claim
50: Wonders if Quag has read his PM
51: Can't fathom Quag as protown and thinks he may be a good lynch
52: "Mod- Votecount much?"
52: "^QFT. Where am i here? "
54: Now ABR is the play and he FoSes erg0 for assuming this case has no substance
55: nothing
56: Asks why Zu is so certain ABR is town
57: nothing
58: Calls Quag a fucktard
59: nothing
60: nothing
61: Gets "bad vibes" from IH's latest posts . Votes IH

No explanation

62: Says IH's posts give "whiffs of inside knowledge" and setting up future lynches

No evidence

63: FoSes TS for over-reaction

My least favourite scum-tell

64: Thinks TS's OMGUS play looks like bussing. Votes TS and FoSes IH
65: VC correction
66: nothing
67: nothing
68: Asks for examples

Ha!

likely to be scum than, say, BM.

I don't think a schism lynch is ridiculous. It's pretty clear he has no intention of participating, because he has no intention of reading or anything.

My position is as follows:

I want a zu_faul lynch. A BM lynch is better than a schism lynch. A schism lynch is reasonable.

[vollkan]

Damnit. The BM PBPA got cut off.

PBPA of BM

0: Self-vote
1: Swaps to Erg0 for pushing (jokingly it looks) a policy lynch on ABR
2: Explains why he think policy lynches are bad
3: Swaps to hasd and asks for the "semi-random" vote to be explained
4: Calls hasd "mr Defensive" after he explained his vote as requested
5: Votes Peers "It's never too early to hunt scum"
6: Votes Viper; seems to be because viper is the only person on the BM wagon who BM doesn't know
7: Says he is votehopping for fun and reaction
8: Votes peers for self-voting
9: Swaps to Kscope. No explanation
10: Doesn't think Peers has played with him or ABR before, and thus thinks that Peers cannot make meta comments. Votes Peers.

I have to say that, by this point, I am unimpressed with BM's play. He's essentially just posting nonsense.

11: Wants mert
12: Notes TS being over-aggressive

I hate non-meta-based accusations of "over-aggressive" as much as I hate non-meta-based accusations of "defensive"/"overeactive"/"emotional"/etc.

13: Nonsense
14: Ditto
15: "Peers reeks of scum to me."
16: Says Sik's play is consistent with him being town, and that Peers is the play
17: "oh dear me! Not QUAGMIRE!?"
18: Asks what Quag meant
19: Says hi to MoS
20: Asks if Sik is enjoying the game
21: Repeats question
22: He says the reason he asked is sik has been flaking from some games
23: Sik responds by saying that his flaking was based on who else was playing. BM asks for a list of games he is currently playing in. Swaps vote to ABR for setting up lynches.
24: Thinks ABR's reasons for voting Peers are bad
25: FoSes TS for thinking Peers was not talking about himself when he said he knew someone was 100% town (I assume she thought it was a cop claim)

Scummy how?

26: Votes Ts for hopping back on the wagon after this was pointed out ('this' being that Peers meant himself)
27: Accuses ABR of an appeal to emotion where he didn't actually make one; says his voting is jumpy, but he will have data when he reviews; did not attack TS for unvoting but, rather, for misinterpreting and unvoting quickly

Yes...because unvoting a person who you think has claimed cop is dreadfully scummy

28: Doesn't think his Peers relationship is distancing (BM voted Peers initialy, then moved to the defensive) because the defensive part would defeat the purpose of the distancing. THinks Peers is probably a better lynch than Sik, but would like to see ABR hang.
29: Wants Sik to answer his request
30: "policy lynches are ridiculously dumb. MoS knows this really. "
31: Asks Peers for flavour after mason claim
32: nothing
33: ABR also asked for flavour; then he asked BM why he asked. Votes ABR
34: Confirms vote because ABR blew BM's flavour trap
36: Was hoping Peers would mess up and forget the vanilla pm had been given already
37: Is amazed at ABR's idiocy
38: Weird..."if i was convinced you were scum, i'd be voting for you" -> BM was voting for ABR when he said this. He then goes on to say ABR is not the scummiest.
39: Anti-town can be scummy
40: nothing
41: Wants to ignore MoS and lynch ABR
42: Accuses Peers of butt-kissing
43: Says MoS needs to get his act together
44: Wants Quag to explain his suspicion of TS
45: Thinks Jordan makes good points
46: "i guess i can go for an MoS wagon. Unvote, Vote; MoS. IGMEOY: ABR" This coming fom the guy who called for ignoring MoS...
47: Is more pleased with his vote after ABR starts defending MoS
48: Joins Quag wagon to force participation
49: Says he is not pushing Quag lynch but is trying to force a claim
50: Wonders if Quag has read his PM
51: Can't fathom Quag as protown and thinks he may be a good lynch
52: "Mod- Votecount much?"
52: "^QFT. Where am i here? "
54: Now ABR is the play and he FoSes erg0 for assuming this case has no substance
55: nothing
56: Asks why Zu is so certain ABR is town
57: nothing
58: Calls Quag a fucktard
59: nothing
60: nothing
61: Gets "bad vibes" from IH's latest posts . Votes IH

No explanation

62: Says IH's posts give "whiffs of inside knowledge" and setting up future lynches

No evidence

63: FoSes TS for over-reaction

My least favourite scum-tell

64: Thinks TS's OMGUS play looks like bussing. Votes TS and FoSes IH
65: VC correction
66: nothing
67: nothing
68: Asks for examples

Ha!

69: Swapped to TS because the wagon was bigger, and maintains bussing charge
70: nothing
71: Thinks Erg0 is reaching
72: Notes TS/Jordan buddying
73: nothing
74: nothing
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Very active...but useless. BM's vote is flying everywhere, but he never produces any substantial reasoning. When he does attack, it is for vague and/or poor reasons. There's less outright hypocrisy here than with Zu, but the level of contribution is pretty much the same. BM gets a

70%

from me, a

FoS

and is another good lynch candidate.

[Battle Mage]

Ok, i'm on Page 15. Should i post analysis as i go, or can you lynch-happy kids wait for me to read the whole thread?

BM

[Toaster Strudel]

Ok, i'm on Page 15. Should i post analysis as i go, or can you lynch-happy kids wait for me to read the whole thread?

BM

Page 15? You have to re-read? Die scum die.

vollkan: Why don't you vote for schis? That would put both BM ans schis at 5 votes, both at lynch-3.

It will be interesting to see what will happen next.

[Spambot]

Ok, i'm on Page 15. Should i post analysis as i go, or can you lynch-happy kids wait for me to read the whole thread?

BM

Analysis as you go! Let's read the thread together.

[vollkan]

vollkan: Why don't you vote for schis? That would put both BM ans schis at 5 votes, both at lynch-3.

I'm not voting schis because Zu > BM > Schism. I see no reason to pull my vote of Zu just to make the Schis wagon larger.

[Toaster Strudel]

It would help unfreeze the game. Besides, we might end up lynching zu_faul at the end of the day anyway. I agree that he is a good choice.

[Battle Mage]

Ok, i'm on Page 15. Should i post analysis as i go, or can you lynch-happy kids wait for me to read the whole thread?

BM

Analysis as you go! Let's read the thread together.

How can i refuse an offer like this!?

[Setael]

unvote

I no longer feel good about a BM vote.

vote: erg0

[zu_Faul]

Where is that evasive? Logic isn't vague.

You said:

I said why it is a scumtell. No I have not seen scum do this; neither have I seen town do this. So I just use my logic.

It's unclear what "logic" you are using. What's your reasoning?

I already gave my reasoning. You are using a system which makes hardly any sense as a pro-town player. Therefore, you are anti-town, just as lurkers are.

Why should I comment on your prolonged use of your system? ADHS?

What is ADHS? The reason you should comment on my prolonged use of this system is as follows:

If Player Y does X in every game s/he plays, regardless of alignment, than X cannot be taken as indicative of Player Y's alignment.

While that's true, wouldn't you lynch a player who has "lurks" as X? Or someone who never reads his role before Night 1 (hint: relevance to this game). Only you are pushing blame on others.

Your system is flawed:
Suppose a player makes only one post a day, which contains a vote, for every game he is in, regardless of his role. That player is like you. Clearly unreadable, only able to "find scum", never to find someone who is not scum. And totally useless for town. And he rarely lynches scum.

You are wrong here.

A player who only votes is not accountable. They give no reasoning. They just vote and leave the rest of the players to try and work out how to deal with them.

In contrast, I rely on giving reasons for everything. Hence my enormous analyses. If people want to take issue with me, they only need to read what I have said and argue against me. I try to make myself as open and accountable as possible.

Crap reasons / reasons without value (because you got something on everyone) also make you not accountable.

My system is, also, far from useless. Read my recent town games. My system has given me reasonable success. Usually, people end up above 50% (That's due to my own views about scumtells and towntells, not the system itself) but I do end up differentiating town from scum. Town are more likely to have a lower ranking.

I call luck.

Besides, we might end up lynching zu_faul at the end of the day anyway. I agree that he is a good choice.

Why should I be that?
What is your case against BM? Why are you wanting to quicklynch him, when he may still provide input?

Also, where is Bookitty? I'm waiting for anything from BM or shis.

[Toaster Strudel]

Besides, we might end up lynching zu_faul at the end of the day anyway. I agree that he is a good choice.

Why should I be that?
What is your case against BM? Why are you wanting to quicklynch him, when he may still provide input?

Also, where is Bookitty? I'm waiting for anything from BM or shis.

You might wait a while before BM contributes anything of substance, or that inspires townieness. I do believe his lurking to be intentional. This is a long, slow game. Lurking a a good strategy for vote-attracting players like BM to survive in the long-haul. I don't want to QUICK-lynch him, but I would like to see him lynched, yes.

The same applies to Bookitty. I believe Bookitty would make a good lynch for the same reasons.

As for schis - I don't know what's up with him. He's playing really weird.

You're also a contender, zu_faul, but since your contribution is reasonable, you're top my top candidate.

[Toaster Strudel]

unvote

I no longer feel good about a BM vote.

vote: erg0

Looks like scum hiding off-wagon, but hey. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Bookitty]

I'm not lurking intentionally. I'm very disenchanted with this game, as I'm sure a great many people are, and I don't have a lot to contribute right now. Being trolled tends to destroy my enjoyment and involvement in a given game, and I don't really feel like doing a great deal of analysis (as normally I would) in this case. It feels like a lot of work for basically no reason, and I'm not doing it.

It's possible I'll get over my mental block on this game, but right now I am having a hard time caring if I'm lynched or not. I'm not scum, but I don't have any better insights than anyone else, so I suppose it doesn't really matter.

I would note that Battle Mage has been here from the start and there is no valid reason for him to have to "catch up" with the game from the start. That's a bogus excuse, and I'm surprised no one else has jumped on him for it, given the level of vitriol Vollkan has gotten for what is, in fact, ALWAYS his playstyle. (Yes, I know, it's a meta read, and thus worthless. Still, I know it to be true.)

[Beep! Beep!]

...trolled?

Anyway... what do you think about Setael's vote for erg0 under the current circumstances?

I agree that vollkan is indeed playing as usual.

I also agree wholeheartedly with your point that BM needs no catching up from page 1.

[Toaster Strudel]

...trolled?

Anyway... what do you think about Setael's vote for erg0 under the current circumstances?

I agree that vollkan is indeed playing as usual.

I also agree wholeheartedly with your point that BM needs no catching up from page 1.

(oops wrong costume)

[Xylthixlm]

Can we just lynch schismatized? No one will miss him.

[Bookitty]

Did Vollkan replace in a week ago and not read the thread? It's called context, cone.

Actually, you think my opinion is worthless because you can't recognize when you are being trolled and now you are fighting with me because I hurt your e-feelings and are responding emotionally.

I dislike Setael's vote on Erg0, because I'm pretty sure he's town at this point. I think she's reacting to the people on the BM wagon, who are basically all calling each other scum. I think that makes it more likely they're town, actually, but other people may have other reactions.

That said, I still think BM is scum due to lurking (something he does a lot as scum), due to the "Oh, I forgot this game!" which is always scummy no matter who does it, and due to the weird chumminess with Spambot over their joint failure to read the thread.

[hasdgfas]

unvote

I no longer feel good about a BM vote.

vote: erg0

Looks like scum hiding off-wagon, but hey. Maybe I'm wrong.

I was thinking the same thing.

[Spambot]

I'm not lurking intentionally. I'm very disenchanted with this game, as I'm sure a great many people are, and I don't have a lot to contribute right now. Being trolled tends to destroy my enjoyment and involvement in a given game, and I don't really feel like doing a great deal of analysis (as normally I would) in this case. It feels like a lot of work for basically no reason, and I'm not doing it.

It's possible I'll get over my mental block on this game, but right now I am having a hard time caring if I'm lynched or not. I'm not scum, but I don't have any better insights than anyone else, so I suppose it doesn't really matter.

I would note that Battle Mage has been here from the start and there is no valid reason for him to have to "catch up" with the game from the start. That's a bogus excuse, and I'm surprised no one else has jumped on him for it, given the level of vitriol Vollkan has gotten for what is, in fact, ALWAYS his playstyle. (Yes, I know, it's a meta read, and thus worthless. Still, I know it to be true.)

Scum don't have e-feelings to hurt, scum. Seriously.

First, you admit you are now lurking... because of my "worthless" opinion? Do you have the thinnest hide of anybody on the internet ever? Claiming to have a "mental block" and not wanting to contribute anymore is absolutely laughable.

Also, you say you don't have better insight than "anyone else", not even me? That's a contradiction. So is you saying near the end that meta reads are worthless.

[Bookitty]

The meta read was a bit of sarcasm, just for you, Spambot. And yeah, not lurking. Just not much motivated to post in a game where someone is admittedly trolling me deliberately and on purpose and not even bothering to read the thread.

But you know, you're right. I'll request replacement. Thanks.

[Setael]

I'm just keeping my vote on the one person I feel is scummiest. erg0 has given and continues to give no content other than dropping in to prove he's lurking in plain sight every now and then. BM's last few posts have not felt like scum posts to me, and I actually agree that Bookitty's play is really different in this game than I've seen from her as town. And I don't really buy the excuses she made in 2064.

Here's a list for everyone who's getting riled up because I'm voting erg0.

Scum

erg0
JordanA24
Panzerjager
Bookitty

Town

Xylthixlm
hasdfgas
Vollkan
Toaster Strudel

Somewhere in between

(I would vote any of these to secure a lynch but would prefer a lynch of anyone listed under Scum)
Battle Mage
schismatized
Zu_Faul
Spambot
IH
YagamiLight

(Preview edit after seeing Boo's last post) I hope Bookitty doesn't ask to be replaced, but I don't think it's a town tell for her that she's letting things get personal.

[Bookitty]

(Preview edit after seeing Boo's last post) I hope Bookitty doesn't ask to be replaced, but I don't think it's a town tell for her that she's letting things get personal.

In the one game where you saw me get upset enough to lurk for a while due to someone's persistent trolling, I was town, was I not, Setael?

[Battle Mage]

I'm not lurking intentionally. I'm very disenchanted with this game, as I'm sure a great many people are, and I don't have a lot to contribute right now. Being trolled tends to destroy my enjoyment and involvement in a given game, and I don't really feel like doing a great deal of analysis (as normally I would) in this case. It feels like a lot of work for basically no reason, and I'm not doing it.

It's possible I'll get over my mental block on this game, but right now I am having a hard time caring if I'm lynched or not. I'm not scum, but I don't have any better insights than anyone else, so I suppose it doesn't really matter.

I would note that Battle Mage has been here from the start and there is no valid reason for him to have to "catch up" with the game from the start. That's a bogus excuse, and I'm surprised no one else has jumped on him for it, given the level of vitriol Vollkan has gotten for what is, in fact, ALWAYS his playstyle. (Yes, I know, it's a meta read, and thus worthless. Still, I know it to be true.)

What the hell?
Do you realise how long this game has been going?
The fact i completely forgot about it, is indicative of my lack of awareness of whats happened. I dont quite see how you could construe that as anything other than genuine. What-you think i'm scum pretending not to know what has been going on, in a secret plot to write a massive analysis of an 80-page game, when i actually dont need to?


I dont understand TS's insistence on lynching me atm, but i'm on Page 25. Just to prove that TS is talking bollocks, i'll post what ive got up till now, much as i dislike breaking my analysis of a game into chunks. -.-

BM