Mini 1959 - Protomen Blitz : Game Over

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh, btw, I agree with fuzzy on lynching inside the wagon. The overlap between my suspect pool and the wagon is yume and vax.

I'd support either of those today, but I prefer vax between the two of them. I'm also suspicious of drealm and desp, but people whose judgment I trust think they're town and I lack cause to doubt their read.

-Cerb

[Gorkington]

i wouldnt vote drealm unless i were pretty confident he were scum
because the pain of trying to get that to happen wouldnt be worth just being a little suspicious of him.

[Yume]

VOTE: RR

My scum sensors are pinging.

[Titus]

@RR, You missed my question.

[Havo]

That's because I'm a stinking liar.

I wanted to see who would vote Fuzzy immediately when the suspect result I had was an innocent.

Can you explain this to me? Real slow, like I’m 5 years old please.

[Titus]

That's because I'm a stinking liar.

I wanted to see who would vote Fuzzy immediately when the suspect result I had was an innocent.

Can you explain this to me? Real slow, like I’m 5 years old please.

I heard through a hood chain that X had a not guilty on Fuzzy. Scum would know Fuzzy was not part of them. Town would think I am honest due to my relatively high accuracy rate as GS. Those who voted Fuzzy immediately look townier. Hesitation was scummym

[Havo]

im here to give my fabled insight

What do you think about the Mason claim?

What’s the odds of 2 scum factions and a mason group in the game?

[Havo]

That's because I'm a stinking liar.

I wanted to see who would vote Fuzzy immediately when the suspect result I had was an innocent.

Can you explain this to me? Real slow, like I’m 5 years old please.

I heard through a hood chain that X had a not guilty on Fuzzy. Scum would know Fuzzy was not part of them. Town would think I am honest due to my relatively high accuracy rate as GS. Those who voted Fuzzy immediately look townier. Hesitation was scummym

Ahh. Ok understood. Thanks.

[Titus]

im here to give my fabled insight

What do you think about the Mason claim?

What’s the odds of 2 scum factions and a mason group in the game?

What are your reads on them?
Drealmerz read?
AC read?

[Varsoon]

@Varsoon: did Furude know they would be joining the state upon death, and that the pts they had created would become visible to the state? Did they know the state win con before their death?

Yes, Furude Hanyu knew their own abilities that include gaining access to The State's factional PT, that their PTs would become visible to The State, and that their win-condition would be altered.
Notably, their alignment is still the same and they still lose the game if The Dead is reduced to one living member.

Every single player has access to their entire role PM at the start of the game, the flavor is just the default 'citizen' flavor instead.

Furude Hanyu was not provided with The State's win condition before death.

[Varsoon]

It should be reiterated that this game is not bastard (as far as I am aware) and that Furude Hanyu's alignment did not change (which would be bastard);
Their role-pm could have been written to be clearer, but the only change that happened to their win-condition after death is that they no longer win when The State is eliminated.
Since they were aware this change could happen from the start of the game, I do not consider it to be bastard, as it is not a lie that can not be reasonably expected or a mid-game change in alignment;
it is a mid-game change in their win-condition that they would have been aware of from game-start, but their alignment is still town/The Dead.

[Havo]

im here to give my fabled insight

What do you think about the Mason claim?

What’s the odds of 2 scum factions and a mason group in the game?

What are your reads on them?
Drealmerz read?
AC read?

Split on them. I lean scummy on Xiao but lean towny on RR.
Drealmerz is Town.
AC slight lean towny.

[Vaxkiller]

Also, mod msg'd me with my new one use power. My target cant use abilities in the following day and night. The way this is worded makes it seem like they MIGHT be able to perform a NK still, a sent a msg asking if this would be the case.

So Ice Man's ability would block a factional kill. Anyone I target just would not be able to perform any actions, the bad part of this is that they are notified of this and if I were to take action tonight it wouldn't happen until the next day and night.

[Reasonably Rational]

Happy Cake day Gork!

@RR/Yume what about Havo?

Why should anyone believe your mason claim when you or Xiao was not shot? Since when do masons get an ability to confirm anyone else? This Drealmerz vote is akin to the Math vote in Stevens Universe. Why do you oppose?

What about havo? I have little opinion on havo, they require an iso check. I'm fundamentally suspicious of them cuz poe, if nothing else, but they haven't exactly done anything.l that jumped out at me.

No idea why we weren't shot at. Takes a rather high degree of paranoia to not shoot at a mason pair. As far as why people should believe our claim: the alternatives are us being hoodmates who strongly townread one another, or being scumbuddies. Anyone who knows our scum play knows we'd let a scummate burn long before we let their bad D1 play bring us down. There's no reason at all to not think we could be hoodmates who strongly town read one another, except for my own abhorrence for town lies...but then again, Drixx was the one who made the claim, so, that goes out the window.

If I had to speculate about the confirmation ability, I'd say it's because it removes the slot targeted from win cons, so if used on scum, town still need to spend a lynch on them if they want to remove that slots utility, and if it's used on town, scum no longer need to spend a kill on that slot.

I don't understand what you mean about the drealmerz/math thing.

a50 doesnt seem like scuma50
but chara feels a bit off.

havo's not doing enough and seems off.

yume feels townish but ive seen her get bogged down in dramatic fights as both scum and town so would prefer her to just drop talking to drealm and focus on beating up people she thinks are scum if shes town.

vax's role is strong.
if vax is town/not on the killing faction im guessing hes not going to be around for too long.

Noted.

I had more to say in response to your post, but not the time to state it. I'll come back to this.

-Cerb

[Titus]

Speaking of Drixx making the claim...

drixx
im telling you upfront
that if this is a fakeclaim
and youre town
im blacklisting you for good.

dont do this if youre just townreading xiao.

It's not a fake claim. I don't put my reads (especially day one reads) above anyone else so I don't do fake claim shit like that.

~Drixx

So if you're not masons we should lynch you as Drixx would never put his own reads above town right?

[Vaxkiller]

No idea why we weren't shot at. Takes a rather high degree of paranoia to not shoot at a mason pair. As far as why people should believe our claim: the alternatives are us being hoodmates who strongly townread one another, or being scumbuddies. Anyone who knows our scum play knows we'd let a scummate burn long before we let their bad D1 play bring us down. There's no reason at all to not think we could be hoodmates who strongly town read one another, except for my own abhorrence for town lies...but then again, Drixx was the one who made the claim, so, that goes out the window.

Pretty much this. I'm skeptical of the masonry, but I figure it will become apparent as to which situation we are dealing with later. I like RR's posts even tho they are wrong about me.

[Reasonably Rational]

Speaking of Drixx making the claim...

drixx
im telling you upfront
that if this is a fakeclaim
and youre town
im blacklisting you for good.

dont do this if youre just townreading xiao.

It's not a fake claim. I don't put my reads (especially day one reads) above anyone else so I don't do fake claim shit like that.

~Drixx

So if you're not masons we should lynch you as Drixx would never put his own reads above town right?

I assure you, Drixx did not put his own reads above town. He does do fake claim shit like that though, or at least it's within his range, which is why I noted that he made the claim, before someone came in like OMG THAT'S A SCUMCLAIM BECAUSE HE'S USING CERB BEHAVIORS TO DICTATE THE EXPECTATIONS YOU SHOULD HAVE FOR DRIXX BEHAVIORS!

-Cerb

[Gorkington]

What do you think about the Mason claim?

What’s the odds of 2 scum factions and a mason group in the game?

similar to my thoughts on vaxkiller.
also more or less believe drixx's reaction to me poking him about the claim.

i dont really understand why it couldnt be a thing? have you not heard people saying that outguessing varsoon is a futile exercise?

[Titus]

Speaking of Drixx making the claim...

drixx
im telling you upfront
that if this is a fakeclaim
and youre town
im blacklisting you for good.

dont do this if youre just townreading xiao.

It's not a fake claim. I don't put my reads (especially day one reads) above anyone else so I don't do fake claim shit like that.

~Drixx

So if you're not masons we should lynch you as Drixx would never put his own reads above town right?

I assure you, Drixx did not put his own reads above town. He does do fake claim shit like that though, or at least it's within his range, which is why I noted that he made the claim, before someone came in like OMG THAT'S A SCUMCLAIM BECAUSE HE'S USING CERB BEHAVIORS TO DICTATE THE EXPECTATIONS YOU SHOULD HAVE FOR DRIXX BEHAVIORS!

-Cerb

Nah. I'm only using Drixx behaviors here.

Drixx is one of the most honorable people I know. Town Drixx fakeclaiming masons and would risk both you and him being blacklisted but you're implying we shouldn't lynch Drixx if he's lying?

[Reasonably Rational]

I'm saying Drixx would only lie as town if there was a mechanical advantage to it, and he would not lie as scum to save a flailing scummate. Not sure if he'd lie as scum to save a town slot. That's more nuanced.

-Cerb

[Titus]

I'm saying Drixx would only lie as town if there was a mechanical advantage to it, and he would not lie as scum to save a flailing scummate. Not sure if he'd lie as scum to save a town slot. That's more nuanced.

-Cerb

But if you weren't masons, Drixx would be putting his belief in the claim above town no?

[Titus]

In a situation that makes no mechanical sense?

[Titus]

@Xiao Long, Hi.

[Xiao Long]

S’up

[Titus]

@Xiao Long, Your reads please.