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[Nero Cain]

Whiskers is still a maybe I guess. Not at all impossible to see her derail her scumbuddy and then placate me but then an IaI scum would make me lean heavily on a Whiskers town.

[Nero Cain]

Math with a shit town read on Whiskers would be a thing. Maths content is also ass. I'd shed zero tears if we lynch that slot. I also don't remember anything about Math talking about Nauci or IaI.

maybe a Nauci/IaI/Math/???? team?

[Nero Cain]

I skimmed and like Math FOS' Nauci but that was about all.


Transcend
Rhah
AxleGreaser*
Lucky2u
Viomi
Whiskers
TwoInAMillion

This is prob all town. Of those Axe is my weakest town read, i think. IDK, I kinda flip flop. Like he's only really pushed Whiskers and Gerry this game and that kinda focused not flailing out has me a little worried. I kinda liked the chat we had though. Smocaine and Math crossbussing would also make alot of sense here. Or maybe he's just wrong and its Flaris, idk.

I think Nauci is my #1 but I'd consolidate onto Math.

[pienyan]

votecount 3.17

MathBlade (4) - Lucky2u, Smocaine, Viomi, Transcend

Viomi (3) - Whiskers, MathBlade, TwoInAMillion
Whiskers (2) - I Am Innocent, Rhah
Nauci (2) - Flairs, Nero Cain
Smocaine (1) - AxleGreaser
Flairs (1) - Nauci

Not voting (0) -

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is November 9, 21:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-11-09 21:10:00).

Viomi is V/LA indefinitely.

[AxleGreaser]

Viomi feels like reckless scum, particularly throughout page 172. She's heated and then is randomly on Whiskers? (I understand the heated part, not the Whiskers part though)

I have had an initial look at this,

Spoiler: I do have a problem though

I have walked a mile in shoes perhaps a bit like Viomi's
In masquerade i was in related situation.

As I said real life impaled my head this game(masquerade). I realized way to late I really should have replaced out. That had an impact on my wordiness, I could see that in hindsight in my posting style just not while I was writing it.
I just have a thing against me replacing out except for a specific set of reasons.
(primarily unexpected absence, Eg: currently not considering signing up for any games as I know I will be going on a trip soonish.)
(I had never thought about whether an unexpected untimely death in family was in or out. Its now in.)
(A different somewhat expected death in the family I think wont be a problem... Its the unexpectedness that got me.)

Willingly going back to that state of mind to understand Viomis, "heated" mental process is not an easy voluntary decision. It still tilts me.
That said:

Spoiler: posts that i found relevant

Viomi's last reasons based read on Whiskers.

You won't get me for

Whiskers. He's one of the only people making sense in this game

.

Viomi's last "reasons" based scumlist.

You(Nero), Transcend, and maybe

smocain

.

My reasons have been given and are pretty obvious anyways.

Yep this is strong emotions based reaction to whiskers.

[..whiskers stuff..]
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

Then this question to Nero. And sure he could be looking to settle? From exhaustion? And cant suggest to Nero a list including Nero.

Fine.

Which do you think is more likely to be scum,

Whiskers

, Nauci, or Transcend?

But
why

Whiskers

?
why nauci
What happened to

smocain

as an option?
Esp Given 20 mins earlier:

You won't get me for Whiskers. He's one of the only people making sense in this game.

I can't even think he started from here as smocaine was a lynch option they shared.

Nauci-I'm not doing Flaris today, pick one of


MathBlade
Viomi

Smocaine

Whiskers
Nauci

Can 4275 above? explain the whiskers bit of it?

TLDR: I cant find a line of reasoning (emotive or rational) whereby he didn't just straight somehow forget he recently claimed he would not be got to vote whiskers.

I think Viomis was not all that certain what Viomis reads were.
and then
Why even ask nero?

I still have more questions than answers about the stuff on page 172.

I hope sleeping on that will bring clarity.

[Whiskers]

Then this question to Nero. And sure he could be looking to settle? From exhaustion? And cant suggest to Nero a list including Nero.

Fine.

Which do you think is more likely to be scum,

Whiskers

, Nauci, or Transcend?

But
why

Whiskers

?
why nauci
What happened to

smocain

as an option?
Esp Given 20 mins earlier:

You won't get me for Whiskers. He's one of the only people making sense in this game.

TLDR: I cant find a line of reasoning (emotive or rational) whereby he didn't just straight somehow forget he recently claimed he would not be got to vote whiskers.

I think Viomis was not all that certain what Viomis reads were.
and then
Why even ask nero?

I like this.
this is a good catch. `

[Nauci]

Let's assume this is what Whiskers thinks.

Believing trans people don't exist is evil and despicable. However through love is how hearts get changed. Throughout this entire game people have been calling me they or he. No one here in their heart of hearts believes I am female because I have boobs. Calling someone a nazi doesn't actually make them change. It makes them go "I am not a nazi, Hitler is evil, and my opinion is justified".

FWIW Math, I am entirely in the same boat on the issue. I am *always* willing to engage someone who disagrees, so long as they're willing to engage in good faith.

[Nauci]

So you are using my words against me. Cute.

How is it using your words against you? I'm so lost.

You asked me what I think of that post. I told you that my initial impressions before were to scum read you for throwing shade at something I view as a legitimate scum hunting tactic. I'm not even calling you scum now, just explaining my thoughts earlier.

The fact that you then misdirected it as me reacting to a different post of yours is ??? Like, I was 100% reacting to what you said about Flub's question to you, and it has nothing to do with what you said about cabd, what any of us believe about the actual number of scum in this game, or anything else.

Like it's obvious which part I considered to be "throwing shade" and I feel like I've quite clearly explained my reactions and thoughts, and it takes active effort to misconstrue me.

[Nauci]

@ #4470 I thought Viomi was asking what Nero's scum reads were, not necessarily considering them?

[Nero Cain]

How is it using your words against you? I'm so lost.

I mean, your whole thing is that you are claiming that he was reaction testing me and that he was trying to get me to slip. In 2525 I literally say "it feels almost kinda he was trying to setup me up for "slipping"." and here you come along "oh yeah, he was trying to get you to slip." Like how the fuck is that

NOT

trying to throw my own words back at me?
I also think its fishy that you apparently thought this but forgot to post about it. And I don't think its all consistent with his words.

It was a stupid question. I should have followed my own advice

I'm not a big fan of you misrepping a dead town (that can't chime in) to retroactively explain why you were scumreading me.

[MathBlade]

Let's assume this is what Whiskers thinks.

Believing trans people don't exist is evil and despicable. However through love is how hearts get changed. Throughout this entire game people have been calling me they or he. No one here in their heart of hearts believes I am female because I have boobs. Calling someone a nazi doesn't actually make them change. It makes them go "I am not a nazi, Hitler is evil, and my opinion is justified".

FWIW Math, I am entirely in the same boat on the issue. I am *always* willing to engage someone who disagrees, so long as they're willing to engage in good faith.

FWIW I really don't want to talk about this anymore.

It's hard enough just reading the fucking thread ATM.

As it is I overslept and have to run to work I really don't want to see stuff like this. I know you mean well but I kinda just wanna play the game.

[Nauci]

How is it using your words against you? I'm so lost.

I mean, your whole thing is that you are claiming that he was reaction testing me and that he was trying to get me to slip. In 2525 I literally say "it feels almost kinda he was trying to setup me up for "slipping"." and here you come along "oh yeah, he was trying to get you to slip." Like how the fuck is that

NOT

trying to throw my own words back at me?
I also think its fishy that you apparently thought this but forgot to post about it. And I don't think its all consistent with his words.

It was a stupid question. I should have followed my own advice

I'm not a big fan of you misrepping a dead town (that can't chime in) to retroactively explain why you were scumreading me.

When the thread was going a million miles a minute I basically was struggling to just read everything, nevermind respond to each thing like that.

I am agreeing with you that you that he was trying to set you up for slipping, but we disagree on server whether it was shady or towny. I don't think his own view of the post afterwards should be relevant to me expressing how I read that post at the time.

[Nero Cain]

I am agreeing with you that you that he was trying to set you up for slipping

I don't think that anymore. :/ I think it was a dumb question from a dum dum you know...like he said. I think your "he was reaction testing you! is junk.

[Nauci]

I mean in case it wasn't clear we've been talking about my reaction to those posts at the time

But I feel like that was clear

[Nero Cain]

Well sure but you failed to say anything so idk if I believe that but you also have language that makes it sound like you still believe it.

[Lucky2u]

Nauci, you're alone on a vote with less than 2 days to go. How do you feel about that?

[Lucky2u]

Same question to Axle, while I would actually support that wagon, it does not look likely

[TwoInAMillion]

Do people really trust the people on the MB wagon? Viomi or Nauci is much better.

[Nauci]

Nauci, you're alone on a vote with less than 2 days to go. How do you feel about that?

I feel like I don't know where to effectively put my vote because I am not going to vote a claimed jailkeeper and I am not voting Math because of how bizarrely sure Rhah is he's town. I also have whiskers on my town list.

So I'm waiting to see scum posting or a good case against somebody else.

Axle, thoughts? Are you still on smocaine?

[Nauci]

Do people really trust the people on the MB wagon? Viomi or Nauci is much better.

Why are you willing to lynch a claimed jailer?

[Nauci]

Well sure but you failed to say anything so idk if I believe that but you also have language that makes it sound like you still believe it.

I remember making posts about how I kept flip flopping reading you as scummy or Towny, but not remembering the exact posts for why.

It wasn't until the thread calmed down a bit and I could consistently read you pressuring people instead of all the bickering that I had a stabilized read on you.

[Flairs]

Huh. That would be worth a look if you can find any quotes

ok, here's the exchange:

Spoiler:

I am skipping over beeboy, Nero, HST, and Axle because they are furthest from the scum side of the spectrum for me and I don't like talking about my town reads in case they are wrong. If you push me on it, I'll talk about it but I don't think it's a good idea for town to tell unconf players that might be scum what they are doing right to get a town read from them.

This post had me laughing out loud. If the entire point of not talking about your town reads is wrong then you wouldn't have listed them as Town reads like what? Furthermore by not justifying your townreads you're not able to have them poked and prodded to see where they are wrong. Like...????

What??
Outting your townreads =/= writing out a lot of thoughts on your townreads.

My point is the "damage" by outing townreads would be done st that point. There is no reason that they shouldn't be expanded upon. There is no "damage" by talking about town reads hence the quotes.

@Whiskers -- I am thoroughly convinced the case against you is noise and Lucky + Flubber are a team. However I have found that it's generally better to explain my scumreads than defend my town ones.

Defending my town ones ends up with stopping people from making that read themselves. Instead I would rather point out how Lucky isn't reading and flubber is being well flubber.

But long story short,

@Whiskers -- I am thoroughly convinced the case against you is noise and Lucky + Flubber are a team. However I have found that it's generally better to explain my scumreads than defend my town ones.

Defending my town ones ends up with stopping people from making that read themselves. Instead I would rather point out how Lucky isn't reading and flubber is being well flubber.

Hey wow it's almost like

I don't like talking about my town reads in case they are wrong. If you push me on it, I'll talk about it but I don't think it's a good idea for town to tell unconf players that might be scum what they are doing right to get a town read from them.

For those you playing along at home. What whiskers is saying here is that its incredibly ironic that MATHblade attacked me for not wanting to defend my town reads and then said he doesn't want to defend his own.

Wow alrighty then, I'm definitely thinking that MathBlade is the scum in that interaction. Seems like a slip.

@Nauci- I never said I read 3264? Really confused about where you're getting that. I skimmed Day 3 before making a few posts and then went to sleep. I also definitely think you're using the word sheep wrong there, they were my reads I got from looking at Day 3.

4017

...why wouldn't you read a recap post which explicitly stated what we mean by masons?!?!?!?!?!?!??

After saying you'd read it?

How do you say you've read Day 3 to make your vote on me and miss the post you explicitly said you would read?!?!?!?!?

What is that crock of bullshit?

I said I'd look at it, I literally never said I had already read it.

Anyways. I just went and read it, so I have a better sense about what went on on Day 2 and 1. (also- you posted it mid-day 2 if the VC I found was correct, so there is no way I would've been able to see it if I went through Day 3 . . .)

Everything past the VC 3.17 I can't look at rn but will check out when I have time

[Nero Cain]

I remember making posts about how I kept flip flopping reading you as scummy or Towny, but not remembering the exact posts for why.

I feel like its a bit convenient that you had sorta weakly tunneled me for dayz on end and it's not until zero hour on d3 you had remembered why. TBF, you did say earlier that you were scumreading me for something I never even said or did.

[TwoInAMillion]

Joey not targeting Cabd is a definate scumtell. Viomi's ATE is a scumtell.

I don't want to lynch claimed power roles but in this case I'd rather lynch a claim power roll than have a probable townie have to claim. The only other lynches I am interested in is Nero, you and Lucky.

[Nero Cain]

^
says the conf town that won't get shot b/c he's scums helper.