Newbie 1827: Baseball Game Over

[gameplay506]

The point of the hypothetical is to teach people that you just can’t believe a person at face value when they claim and that’s literally what every single person in this game did beside me.

Ye cus every single person in this game can actually think logically. You are just the definition of insanity, sorry.

[Quick]

Thor, I want to ask you if you have ever meta dived me. I doubt you have, but want to ask anyways.

[Apple Jack]

Who’s your main again quick?

[Quick]

Who’s your main again quick?

Read my sig or look at my website.

[Thor665]

1. Yet I’ve seen hundreds of town PRs lynched. Clearly people don’t care about claims when a person plays bad.
2. Imo you will be. If somebody knows you are lying today is the best time to counter claim so we can lynch scum.
3. It’s not my fault you intentionally alienated me, lied to me, argued semantics, and out right refused to help me figure out the game. Your reads can’t be trusted even if you were mod confirmed cause you haven’t showed a willingness to work with others. If you were willing, you’d have provided the stuff I’ve been asking for.
4. We probably shouldn’t no lynch today.
5. I know what mylo means.
6. Doesn’t matter my opinion cause I’m now a n00b. The IC is a voluntary teaching role. As an ic you accept that responsibility. Refusing to teach is setting a bad example and doing a disservice to them.

1. Sure. And?
2. Uh huh...
3. How did I intentionally alienate you? We literally just had a discussion where I called you out for strawmanning and forced you not to and, magically, the conversation became more reasonable. You're the one who flipped out like an angry bee on me. Not the other way around - I've been calling you town for days and PATIENTLY dealing with your insane demands.
4. Why not?
5. Okay - I'm not the one demanding that the IC treat everyone like an idiot and explain everything. But I thought I'd check.
6. How have I refused to teach except in your world of wanting me to explain things that everyone already appears to understand (and also explaining a lot of things to you and being called a liar for it)
Also, as noted, if what you claim is true - I should have the mod coming down on me like a ton of bricks...it's been 24 hours...just saying Derp.

If nobody CCs you today and I keep pushing you, I’ll be reported for game throwing. I’ll be banned from newbies and from the site. I have no interest in that.

How would that be game throwing and not just really derpy play?
I think you're trying, I just think you don't use logic - me asking you about your CC attitudes basically showed that you're using gut.
That's fine, gut is fine.
Just don't pretend you're using analysis and logic if you're going gut - it makes you look dumb.
Gut isn't dumb, many of the top players are gut players, to be perfectly frank, I'd consider myself a gut player. But you need to be aware and honest with how you get your reads.

my 3 scumreads are still alive
can you grant gameplay, the one who cheated death, his wish and lynch wilky?
or north?
or quick?
I won't even bother with posts or cases just count me in for voting any of those 3

Could you rank them in order from most to least scummy in your mind?
Because 50% of the game is not a particularly sexy lynch plan.

DH is Scummy for tunneling on Thor.

How is that scummy exactly?
Is your argument that he's super clever and is going deep on the derp attack to get town points?
Or is it a theory that he, for some reason, thought/thinks I'm lynchable and now can't afford to change his stance?
Because I don't see the money there for scum.
The guy annoys me, so I'd be down for lynching him on general principle if you could justify a scum process, but I really fail to see it.
Clarify?

We still have plenty of time left in day 3. I agree that a NL could be the right move but lets get more information out of today at first

Sure!
Like what?
Your comment here is empty without effort to create information, no?

The point of the hypothetical is to teach people that you just can’t believe a person at face value when they claim and that’s literally what every single person in this game did beside me.

As a thought, unless you had a role to counterclaim me, shouldn't that have clued you in?
If EVERYBODY took my claim at face value - wouldn't that suggest no counter was coming?
Seems kind of obvious...

Thor, I want to ask you if you have ever meta dived me. I doubt you have, but want to ask anyways.

I have not.
Or, quite possibly, I have and I don't remember.
But I tend to apply meta within fairly constrained time windows, and have a terrible memory as far as keeping that stuff in my head (and since I tend to expect every year to obligate a reassessment anyway, I don't see much point to trying)

[Apple Jack]

Also, as noted, if what you claim is true - I should have the mod coming down on me like a ton of bricks...it's been 24 hours...just saying Derp.

Penguin said he’s busy but would read the thread in his entirety when he has time.

[Quick]

DH is Scummy for tunneling on Thor.

How is that scummy exactly?
Is your argument that he's super clever and is going deep on the derp attack to get town points?
Or is it a theory that he, for some reason, thought/thinks I'm lynchable and now can't afford to change his stance?
Because I don't see the money there for scum.
The guy annoys me, so I'd be down for lynching him on general principle if you could justify a scum process, but I really fail to see it.
Clarify?

I think it's closer to the second option you gave. I think DH thinks that he put so much into his read on you that he's kinda pigeonholed to keep Scum reading you. I think this is Scummy because it shows he's not reevaluating unless he is pretty much forced to. And by your own admission, you are saying that you are not clear and he is saying you are clear.

Plus I still haven't seen him look at anyone else yet, really. I mean, he's got his Scum read on wilky, but I just don't know why he goes after you instead of wilky when no one is biting on you and there are more than a few that find wilky Sus. It doesn't makes sense as a Town perspective to do that. We prolly could have lynched wilky yesterday, but for some reason, it didn't happen.

[Apple Jack]

he's not reevaluating unless he is pretty much forced to

You think? What gave it away?

[Apple Jack]

Plus I still haven't seen him look at anyone else yet, really. I mean, he's got his Scum read on wilky, but I just don't know why

I voted game yesterday and again today. I started the day yesterday voting wilky and explained why. Also in the arguments with Thor I mentioned why I suspected him.

Like if you are town, do better please.

[Apple Jack]

Like you say we could lynch wilky but you weren’t pushing it. The one time you said something about lynching wilky, you said that you only said it to get people taking which implies it wasn’t serious.

So you now acting like wilky was a viable option yesterday is suspect

[Thor665]

Also, as noted, if what you claim is true - I should have the mod coming down on me like a ton of bricks...it's been 24 hours...just saying Derp.

Penguin said he’s busy but would read the thread in his entirety when he has time.

Maybe you should quote out some of the IC questions I've lied about so you can just quick link him?

I think it's closer to the second option you gave. I think DH thinks that he put so much into his read on you that he's kinda pigeonholed to keep Scum reading you. I think this is Scummy because it shows he's not reevaluating unless he is pretty much forced to. And by your own admission, you are saying that you are not clear and he is saying you are clear.

Plus I still haven't seen him look at anyone else yet, really. I mean, he's got his Scum read on wilky, but I just don't know why he goes after you instead of wilky when no one is biting on you and there are more than a few that find wilky Sus. It doesn't makes sense as a Town perspective to do that. We prolly could have lynched wilky yesterday, but for some reason, it didn't happen.

I have a hard time buying this as an act,
This has to be what the guy is like.
If we had town games of him being reasonable I'd hop on him in a hot second - but I get the feeling they don't exist.
Do you get a different vibe for some reason?

[Quick]

Thor, I'd like to know your read on North. What about my slot was worse than blastoise when you looked at the VC's?

[Apple Jack]

If Thor is clear. I like quick/game for scum. Quick isn’t acting like he should plus he’s lying in mylo. Game is lurking in mylo.

Neither are things town should do.

[Quick]

If Thor is clear. I like quick/game for scum. Quick isn’t acting like he should plus he’s lying in mylo. Game is lurking in mylo.

Neither are things town should do.

OK, I'm lying now? Mind pointing this out?

[Thor665]

Thor, I'd like to know your read on North. What about my slot was worse than blastoise when you looked at the VC's?

Nothing - don't think I ever said there was within the VCs.

If Thor is clear. I like quick/game for scum. Quick isn’t acting like he should plus he’s lying in mylo. Game is lurking in mylo.

Neither are things town should do.

Lots of things town shouldn't do are being done this game

How is Quick lying?
I think he's scum and I don't see him blatantly lying.

[Quick]

Thor, I'd like to know your read on North. What about my slot was worse than blastoise when you looked at the VC's?

Nothing - don't think I ever said there was within the VCs.

IDK what this means...

[Thor665]

You asked me to support a statement I don't think I made.
I pointed this out.

[Quick]

You asked me to support a statement I don't think I made.
I pointed this out.

You may not have said that before, but I wasn't asking about what you said before. I asked why, when looking at the VC, that I look worse than blastoise AKA north.

[wilky]

You asked me to support a statement I don't think I made.
I pointed this out.

You may not have said that before, but I wasn't asking about what you said before. I asked why, when looking at the VC, that I look worse than blastoise AKA north.

So if he didn't even say it how could he answer the question?

[wilky]

We still have plenty of time left in day 3. I agree that a NL could be the right move but lets get more information out of today at first

Sure!
Like what?
Your comment here is empty without effort to create information, no?

My comment was more as a direct reply to DH's post above it, i'd say I have tried to create some information during today.
Any thoughts on the NSG/Quick connection I made?

[gameplay506]

If Thor is clear. I like quick/game for scum. Quick isn’t acting like he should plus he’s lying in mylo. Game is lurking in mylo.

Neither are things town should do.

I've been lurking this whole game but ye
And voting the only clear player in mylo isn't really the definition of towny
@thor
North
Wilky
Quick
That order

[gameplay506]

Actually I take it back, in your case its the definition of a VI

[wilky]

At least he has tried to take the game forward (he's going the wrong direction but that's a different argument) you have just lurked, came on now and again to complain, or to accuse people of being scum but with no reasoning behind it either.

[gameplay506]

There is reasoning
But its in my head, not here

[Apple Jack]

If Thor is clear. I like quick/game for scum. Quick isn’t acting like he should plus he’s lying in mylo. Game is lurking in mylo.

Neither are things town should do.

OK, I'm lying now? Mind pointing this out?

I did. In post 908