Mini 1959 - Protomen Blitz : Game Over

[Varsoon]

"If there ever was a time,
If there ever was a chance,
To undo the things I've done
And wash these bloodstains from my hands..."

-Albert Wily

VOTECOUNT 2.03

Xiao Long (3):

Almost Chara, Gorkington, drealmerz7

Reasonably Rational (2):

Yume, Titus

Desperado (2):

Vaxkiller, Havo

Vaxkiller (1):

Reasonably Rational

Not Voting (3):

TheFuzzylogic99, Desperado, Xiao Long

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to Lynch.
Deadline

:(expired on 2017-11-11 00:10:00)

TITUS DOES NOT COUNT AS A LIVING PLAYER FOR THE PURPOSES OF DECIDING WIN CONDITIONS.
VAXKILLER IS 'WANTED'.

[Desperado]

you, me, gork, yume, fuzzy, vax, and Desp.

yume and vax do not belong here and almost's logic for why one of them has to be scum is sound

ps it's vax, with havo

[Titus]

you, me, gork, yume, fuzzy, vax, and Desp.

yume and vax do not belong here and almost's logic for why one of them has to be scum is sound

ps it's vax, with havo

Please explain it then. I see no logic. I have not heard you over Drealmerz and RR.

[Titus]

I will do Havo.

[Desperado]

Please explain it then. I see no logic. I have not heard you over Drealmerz and RR.

i mean

explain the game state if vax and yume are both town

[Vaxkiller]

we are not lynching Long atm...... even if he is state he is clearing town for us. The fact he knew that I was town and not a member of the other two faction gives atleast some validity to him having some sort of investigation role

Almost-
I was thinking maybe the FOd has the kill ability and the state has an x shot ability, Given that McKenno role was to find the red eye assassin. Its possible that the assassin is the State only kill ability. Kind of makes sense given the info we have so far,

Please explain it then. I see no logic. I have not heard you over Drealmerz and RR.

i mean

explain the game state if vax and yume are both town

You mind explaining how you THINK it should be?

[Desperado]

i already have

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Xiao

I think yume and titus are to emotionally involved with the lie to accept RR's reasoning.

[Titus]

Please explain it then. I see no logic. I have not heard you over Drealmerz and RR.

i mean

explain the game state if vax and yume are both town

Yume protects me or Xiao.
Vax attacked because scum need PR death, same as Xiao.


See even now, town turns on itself due to the baseless discredirs of Drealmerz and RR. They throw out all sorts of AtE rather than logic.

You never lynch a cop before day before lylo.

[Titus]

We can lynch Drealmerz, block RR who should be vanilla and Yume BPs Xiao.

Win Win Win.

[Titus]

VOTE: Xiao

I think yume and titus are to emotionally involved with the lie to accept RR's reasoning.

RR is good but there's no reasoning that explains away RR being linked to the reporter, lying to conftown, lynching town, terrible trajectories. That's not emotional at all.

[Almost Chara]

@Titus: Please let's leave dreal out of it for a minute, and let's talk about the claimed Cop in light of Menno's flip. Menno was TOWN and was assigned to find only one flavour (possibly repeatedly, but even that is unlikely). If Ciao is Town then The Red Assassin must be GF to him. However, the way I got it is Ciao is only in charge of finding TFoD members. So the Town gas TWO Cops in a 13-players VARSOON game?

OK, he's Town and we had 2 Cops. What Scum have to counter? A one shot RB and a NK (possibly alternating between the town or possibly only one faction can kill, but still each with their own kill is possible).

Now let's assume 2 NKs (maximum power to balance against 2 Cops whom should not have claimed both on D1, but whatever). Are you telling me we ALSO have Yume on our side with a role like that? And Vax can use whatever The State uses?? This sounds like it's insanely Town sided a game, and even more so if we assume one NK either from the same faction of alternating between the two.

So, there's GOT TO BE scum in Yume/Vax/Xiao. If you accept this then you tell me which is more worthy of "leashing" (my own PoV Yume's the most beneficial role to us as long as she does neighbourize the players you suggest, followed by Vax because we already know what he does before he does it so can easily be controlled). Xiao makes no sense unless he outright claims The State and then ALSO checks whomever you pick, and EVEN THEN there's no guarantee he's not lying about it.

If we lynch drealz and he flips Scum that's great. Now what if we lynch him and he flips Town? Same question for RR. What next? Notice that I'm not even arguing either is Town here. I'm assuming all possible outcomes.

What I'm asking is that you think what IF you're wrong here. I'm more concerned with us keeping control of the lynch (i.e. we remain the majority all the way to the end). That would not be much of a problem in a normal setup that involved Mafia and WWs because we KNOW they need to eliminate each other still. The weird win cons in THIS game though takes that knowledge away from us so it could be that they can work together to eliminate us.

Think about it.

~A50

I didn't even realize I hydra slipped until Mr V PM'd me about it!

[Vaxkiller]

we are not lynching Long atm...... even if he is state he is clearing town for us. The fact he knew that I was town and not a member of the other two faction gives atleast some validity to him having some sort of investigation role

Almost-
I was thinking maybe the FOd has the kill ability and the state has an x shot ability, Given that McKenno role was to find the red eye assassin. Its possible that the assassin is the State only kill ability. Kind of makes sense given the info we have so far,

Also, I quoted these because I do not like they way they sound, it doesn't come from town thinking. The second quoted post almost sounds as if it comes from a "state" point of view trying to show town that they probably arent THAT bad because they probably have X-shot NK's, and its possible that the state has no more kill abilities!

This line of thinking does not come from town.

I'm realizing now that a xiao and fuzzy scum team doesnt really go together as well (at least from an actions standpoint)

I don't think scum xiao gives an inno on his partner while inspecting someone else, but town xiao could give a real inno on statescum fuz

[Vaxkiller]

explains away RR being linked to the reporter

Linked how?

[Titus]

explains away RR being linked to the reporter

Linked how?

RR's ability only worked while Alisae hydra was alive.

[Vaxkiller]

explains away RR being linked to the reporter

Linked how?

RR's ability only worked while Alisae hydra was alive.

I went through his iso and looked for his ability. What is it?

[Titus]

explains away RR being linked to the reporter

Linked how?

RR's ability only worked while Alisae hydra was alive.

I went through his iso and looked for his ability. What is it?

Making me conftown.

[Vaxkiller]

Why would either scum team have that ability?

[Yume]

I do have a protective ability, so you lying.

VOTE: drealmerz

[drealmerz7]

yume, this is why communication is important and why you need to do better at it

I asked you if you used your ability at Night as well and you said yes, on titus...

[Vaxkiller]

Like I guess for survivability (spelling), but you think RR is scum because the reporter is aligned with the state after death and RR can only use his ability if they were alive?

[Yume]

It's because the protective part spans the entire night.

[Yume]

It's activated during the day, yes, but actual effects start after the day is over.

[Yume]

Anyway, stop asking about things you clearly know nothing about.

[drealmerz7]

right, which is why reading comprehension is important because you didn't specify that at the time and I was SPECIFICALLY ASKING it

gj, btw, if you are actually town, for having me out that I have that knowledge without needing to