Open 700: Donner Party - ENDGAME

[Assemblerotws]

VOTE: Assemblerotws

What were the roles of the person YOU ate?

And what makes you think I ate anyone?

[northsidegal]

okay, i'm going to start with some analysis just so i can wrap my head around this and try to get back into this game.

so, three people died tonight, with none of them flipped. that means that everyone who could kill did - mafia, the serial killer and the vigilante. given the serial killer's 1 shot bulletproof, not only do we know that the serial killer is still alive but we also know that nobody has even targeted the sk. given the fact that nobody flipped and also that if two killers target eachother they'll both flip, we know that no two killers targeted eachother, although it's possible that a killer was targeted by another killer.
three people died and although we know that the serial killer is still alive, we don't know how many scum vs town died. it's possible that no scum were hit and it's also possible that the entire scumteam is dead with just the serial killer left - in the worst case scenario we are curerntly 3/5 scum to town, in the best case 1/7.

still thinking about the motivations behind killing the people who died, that's to follow.

[northsidegal]

while i'm thinking, still happy with this.
VOTE: pmysterious

[northsidegal]

preliminary thoughts:
why was transcend killed? for that matter, why was almost killed? these are the two main questions i've been turning around in my head. i ask these specifically because i find them unexpected as choices, whereas keychain being dead doesn't come as a huge shocker to me really.
which kill came from which killer? there were three deaths, so which one came from scum, which one came from the sk and which one came from the vig? thinking about this should help to explain the motivations behind the kills.
the three people who died were all in somewhat of a scumreading triangle - keychain scumread almost, almost scumread both keychain and transcend, and transcend scumread keychain.
transcend and almost were among the most active players in the game, with keychain being the outlier. probably not relevant now but it'll be useful to consider if vote count / nightkill analysis ever becomes relevant.
looks like almost got what he wanted from back in 187.

[MathBlade]

Will be on late tonight and post catch-up thoughts then. Long as fuck day.

[PMysterious]

I want to go ahead and get in on discussion and figure things out.

okay, i'm going to start with some analysis just so i can wrap my head around this and try to get back into this game.

so, three people died tonight, with none of them flipped. that means that everyone who could kill did - mafia, the serial killer and the vigilante. given the serial killer's 1 shot bulletproof, not only do we know that the serial killer is still alive but we also know that

nobody has even targeted the sk

. given the fact that nobody flipped and also that if two killers target each other they'll both flip, we know that no two killers targeted each other, although it's possible that a killer was targeted by another killer.
three people died and although we know that the serial killer is still alive, we don't know how many scum vs town died. it's possible that no scum were hit and it's also possible that the entire scumteam is dead with just the serial killer left - in the worst case scenario we are currently 3/5 scum to town, in the best case 1/7.

still thinking about the motivations behind killing the people who died, that's to follow.

In the bold, we don't know if nobody targeted the SK. There is a roleblocker, and he/she could still be alive. If he is alive and he targeted the Serial Killer, then that's a possibility in itself, since the SK is also 1-shot Roleblock immune. So, the bold is slightly inaccurate, but it could be interesting to think about.

preliminary thoughts:

why was transcend killed? for that matter, why was almost killed?

these are the two main questions i've been turning around in my head. i ask these specifically because i find them unexpected as choices, whereas keychain being dead doesn't come as a huge shocker to me really.
which kill came from which killer? there were three deaths, so which one came from scum, which one came from the sk and which one came from the vig? thinking about this should help to explain the motivations behind the kills.
the three people who died were all in somewhat of a scumreading triangle - keychain scumread almost, almost scumread both keychain and transcend, and transcend scumread keychain.
transcend and almost were among the most active players in the game, with keychain being the outlier. probably not relevant now but it'll be useful to consider if vote count / nightkill analysis ever becomes relevant.
looks like almost got what he wanted from back in 187.

Keychain being killed, not really a big surprise to me either, but in the bold here, there are some theories.

A: Almost or Trans were too town for Scum or SK to be lynch bait, so they killed them off.
B: Trans or Keychain could have been targeted by Vig for being a bit too scummy.

So, with that said, Trans is the only one which could be killed by anyone. Almost was more than likely killed by Scum or SK due to being too town, and Keychain could have been shot by the Vig or SK.

I'll look through the ISOs of all of these players, and hopefully there are some connections.

[Porkens]

I ate transcend cause I thought he was crummy and irritatingly non contributor. He was vanilla. Still delicious.

[northsidegal]

In the bold, we don't know if nobody targeted the SK. There is a roleblocker, and he/she could still be alive. If he is alive and he targeted the Serial Killer, then that's a possibility in itself, since the SK is also 1-shot Roleblock immune. So, the bold is slightly inaccurate, but it could be interesting to think about.

that entire paragraph i was referring exclusively to the killers - we don't know if a non-killing role targeted the sk, but we do know that no killing role did.

Keychain being killed, not really a big surprise to me either, but in the bold here, there are some theories.

A: Almost or Trans were too town for Scum or SK to be lynch bait, so they killed them off.
B: Trans or Keychain could have been targeted by Vig for being a bit too scummy.

So, with that said, Trans is the only one which could be killed by anyone. Almost was more than likely killed by Scum or SK due to being too town, and Keychain could have been shot by the Vig or SK.

I'll look through the ISOs of all of these players, and hopefully there are some connections.

we're going to have to disagree here on how towny almost was - there's no world where i would describe him as "too town". similarly, transcend had a large wagon on him basically the whole day (which i might remind you, you participated in), although it could be that relation to the ucv lynch might have made him more towny come today. even then i would doubt that point - transcend had a lot of focus on him at the end of the day regarding his hammering of someone he townread, so to me that places transcend as a likely vig shot.

I ate transcend cause I thought he was crummy and irritatingly non contributor. He was vanilla. Still delicious.

any particular reason for the baiting? just so you can laugh at how we ignored the obvious claims postgame, perhaps?

[Porkens]

It felt right to burst on to the thread in a really obvious/over the top way. I didn't thoroughly read the setup, and knowing that the sk had nightfall immunity would have changed strategy. But by then I had already committed.

[northsidegal]

It felt right to burst on to the thread in a really obvious/over the top way. I didn't thoroughly read the setup, and knowing that the sk had nightfall immunity would have changed strategy. But by then I had already committed.

to tell you the truth i townread that rationale pretty hard. how would knowing the sk has 1 shot bulletproof change your strat, or is that rolefishing / better left unsaid?

[Porkens]

I would not even hint at being big if I knew it took 2 shots to kill sk. I'd go skhunting instead.

I wish I could askA50 how he planned to hunt cannibaals

[Porkens]

*the other cannibals.

[Porkens]

Not_Mafia*
Assemblerotws*
havingfitz - sheepsaysmeep
northsidegal
PMysterious
Gödel
MathBlade - Elmo TeH AzN
Porkens - Maki Harukawa

8 alive takes 5 to lynch.
Assuming 3 anti town left.

If Robocop has a cannibal rresult we lynch it.
So, that's first.

[MathBlade]

I am waaaaaaaaaay too tipsy tonight and my catch up post didn't make sense to me. I swear I am doing it late tomorrow though. (I have Shadowrun in the morning.)

[Porkens]

Did you eat anyone last night?

[MathBlade]

Nope not a cannibal. I had pizza before I replaced in. I townread the piggy so I'm vegan this game.

[Porkens]

Skim and find sk with tipsy powers go

[MathBlade]

Northsidegal but you're making piggy look appetizing for lynching with sk hunting

[MathBlade]

Skim and find sk with tipsy powers go

Advantage tipsy math As I had already read just no catch post

[MathBlade]

It felt right to burst on to the thread in a really obvious/over the top way. I didn't thoroughly read the setup, and knowing that the sk had nightfall immunity would have changed strategy. But by then I had already committed.

to tell you the truth i townread that rationale pretty hard. how would knowing the sk has 1 shot bulletproof change your strat, or is that rolefishing / better left unsaid?

to tell you the truth implies northsidegal has something to hide. I want them to say everything they wanted to say..

[Porkens]

I have to stop myself from typing that a lot, even as town. But I agree.

[Porkens]

Gut on godel?

[MathBlade]

Needs more content or they may be a cannibal. Feed me reads diet and reasons diet.

you too Porkens.

[Porkens]

I've hard claimed vigilante

[Gödel]

Holy Crap its math, I think you are stalking me now, second of my games you have replaced into.