Mini 1959 - Protomen Blitz : Game Over

[Titus]

Yeah. That's why I asked drealmerz about actions. I was 100% Drealm town until I heard that.

It's possible it was a day action though. :/

-Cerb

Not likely.

[Titus]

@Desp, Drealmerz not town. We lynch.

[Desperado]

no

we're not lynching for state

[Titus]

no

we're not lynching for state

@Desp, I am lynching not town. Period. There's no reason to think Drealmerz is State or FoD.

[Titus]

no

we're not lynching for state

@Desp, I am lynching not town. Period. There's no reason to think Drealmerz is State or FoD.

In particular. Just that he's scum

[Desperado]

@Desp, I am lynching not town. Period. There's no reason to think Drealmerz is State or FoD.

????

yes there is!

he lynched FOD and was the counterwagon to FOD and his ability makes no sense as FOD

like, whattttttttttt

[Yume]

He could still be State, and State is our enemy too.

[Desperado]

hi yume

we win when FOD is eliminated

we've already lynched FOD and there was no death last night

state is no longer our enemy, except in terms of us likely conflicting with their as of yet unrevealed win con

but the fact is that we lynch FOD and we win, and i seriously can't emphasize enough how clearly vax and havo are teamed

[Xiao Long]

Can anyone explain why my shit redirected?

vote Van

[Yume]

And how can you be 100% sure the State wincon doesn't conflict with ours? Do you know something we don't?

[Reasonably Rational]

Yeah. That's why I asked drealmerz about actions. I was 100% Drealm town until I heard that.

It's possible it was a day action though. :/

-Cerb

Not likely.

Indeed.

Which is why I asked AC for their claim, because the only remaining options are ninja modifiers, or a NU passive they have which they did not claim.

@yume: it doesn't matter? Our win con says we win when tfod is removed if there are 6 or more players alive. The rest doesn't matter if we succeed in doing that. I couldn't care less if another faction wins with me.

Vax, drealm, and AC are the only reasonable lynches today imo. Drealm and AC wouldn't be on the table because of their work in the havo lynch, if not for the weird result when investigating them.

-Cerb

[Gorkington]

someone created a hood with someone
someone caused someone unable to use their abilities toDay and toNight
someone killed somoene
someone sent bomb man to someone
someone investigated someone

iunno xiao, seems kind of unlikely that you were actually redirected given dreal's claim here and more likely that you just got an inno on another player aligned with the Dead and its not in your best interest to out it as a member of the state.

[Gorkington]

if it werent for the hammer vote, i would honestly say dreal would be an okay guess for FoD given the weird resistance to havo yesterday up until the lynch, but i dont see any reason why he would give in and end up voting him when the FoD faction needs to hold it together for just a few more cycles for the pushing to start happening somewhere else.

i will say that vax is starting to ping me.
gonna sit with it today.

if we dont finish off the FoD in time, we're lynching the shit out of xiao, because he didnt actually get redirected and is 100% scum.

[Gorkington]

Was super pissed you guys lynched Havo as a "no one can agree so lynch this" vote, but it worked out! Lets wait to hear from our State cop xiao and see if we can win by killing FOD. If not we kill Fuzzy.

this in particular seems kind of off.
and the more he keeps pushing this "we need to lynch fuzzy" narrative when its been debunked multiple times by multiple people, the more im feeling its a crutch for him to not have to actually play a full game of scumhunting as scum.

[Gorkington]

@Desp, Drealmerz not town. We lynch.

sorry titus but if youre not pushing a case and youre not fighting people with direct substance on why you think drealm is scum, this really isnt going to happen.

we need to be hunting for FoD in particular right now.
can you step back from your drealm death tunnel for a second to tell me whether you actually think hes more likely to be aligned with FoD or state?
because if you feel hes aligned with state, then we shouldnt be lynching him until we need to be for that wincon anyways.
and please dont just tell me hes FoD just because you want to lynch him.
it would be really uncool of you to push someone at this stage for personal reasons rather than in-game wincon reasons.
[aka: why im not voting xiao right now in spite of me being almost 100% sure hes flipping scum here]

[Gorkington]

I don't see Xiao lying about a redirect as last scum.

this is a really weak assumption given that hes probably not last scum on the faction hes on.
titus.
if i die and you let him get away in a lategame that hopefully never happens, im going to be really upset. lol

if you have any faith in my ability to properly read people in general, you will hopefully reconsider your position.
ive tried reconsidering my positions on RR/cerb and have tried engaging you on your reads there and you ignored me, so theyve stayed the same.
part of being a townbloc means that you need to actually engage your blocmates so we're on the same page.
im willing to shift gears and play your game, but you need to help me understand why i should be doing that on a level of why is dreal FoD if you actually genuinely believe that dreal is FoD and isnt just a policy lynch.
a policy lynch is especially abhorrent in a setup where we're going to get punished really fucking hard for not finishing off the faction that we've already started clearing out.
i dont want to drive the gamestate without you, but i will if you keep trying to play leader without actually acting like a leader.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Xia
could be a Mod error.........or you were redirected and Drealmerz hid it or forgot to post it

@ Vasoon

Can you verify that there were no mod error in the results for last night


I agree with Gork the best plan is for town to kill the last FoD faction member(s)

@AC
Again I didnt read the FOD win com and thought it was that TFOD had to kill all the Dead, I was wrong. You are making way too much of a simple error,. If you want to continue this than fine but you are barking up the wrong tree. I think there is an inbalalance in number where one faction has more than another but this is just a wild guess,

[Vaxkiller]

Can anyone explain why my shit redirected?

vote Van

THis is such bullshit! Did you vote me because you think _I_ redirected you? My role is proven! You think im a fucking re-director on top of this? Why did you target AC if you think I'm scum?????? dreal didnt see any redirection and this is xiao's idea to not have to hand out any more "inno's" on anyone.

If you guys lynch me today before I can talk later tonight, make sure to kill xiao/fuzzy... MAYBE RR

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: xiao

[Gorkington]

vote: vaxkiller

why did you target desp yesterday

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Ac
BTW you could be right and the State goals is to kill all the The dead but we cant be sure until a State faction player is flipped/ We do know that TFOD win con is to kill all the Statem embers
As I said previously until something changes the best plan is to kill off TFOD fac

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Gork
Vax targeted me not Desp ,,,,,,, is this a typo or were you being me and not really paying attention.

[Gorkington]

pretty sure state wincon is either win with the Dead by clearing out FoD early or eliminate the Dead, otherwise the State's wincon would be some weird mix of dont let the Dead lynch FoD earlygame and get rid of them all lategame which seems pretty clunky.

p-edit: im asking why he made desp voteless.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Agreed
I think that its very likely TFOD and the State goals is to eliminate each other while keeping a certain number of dead alive, If this is the win con I cab see either side or both having cops in order to figure out if a player is the other faction or The dead

So typo...... okay cool

[Gorkington]

@desp

Here's the thing. You have been scum reading since early game. I had 2 posts when you first scum read me. Since then it's just been non-stop "vax is scum" Going from day 1 into 2 you were my best scum read because of it. Since then all you have done is build upon that. Vax is scum, and havo is scum with him. Vax and havo are scum and xiao is scum too. Vax/Havo Xiao/RR scum. You have just been building upon some first impression you have had without revisiting or questioning anything. You can't even explain your reads.

And here we are now. You have the game figured out!

The only good thing to come out of all this is I really don't see this behavior coming from scum desp. I think scum desps reads would change, but this desp (town desp) genuinely believes he has the game figured out, and no one will listen to him.

i dont really believe this.
the transition from scumreading desp to townreading him doesnt seem real at all.
also reread some of earlier in the game and vax's early play sounds really really fake.

honestly impressed that desp probably made such a huge/correct callout yesterday.