think i missed that.
In post 1563, Toto wrote:Nsg - my problem with your wagon and nk analysis is that
1) its just fitting a logical analysis of events where I need to assume you and ucv are town first. This may be just inexperience from you and assume there is always a logical explanation or that it is hard to fit logical explanations to any hypothesis here. I can grab any pair of you and make up a wagon and nk explanation story that makes sense for that pair.
2) you seem to have a good grasp of other peoples emotions and I need you to tell me why Thor and Luca are thinking and why are scummy in their own behavior. Tell me why what they are saying or not saying is scummy.
despite what others have been saying about my point, you don't need to assume that me or ucv is town for it to make sense. from what we know of the nightkill scum were playing the long game - you don't have to assume that i'm town or that ucv is town to see that the players most likely to be playing the long game were plot and deimos.
thor and luca are very, very good players - among the best. i have no doubt that both of them have the ability to play a scum game almost entirely indistinguishable from their town game, so completely honestly i can't point to anything specfically that they're saying and say "this is scummy". what i can do is try to look at the context of their actions or the reasons behind them - like i was stressing so much earlier, the why of actions. the push on ucv at the start of day two was scum driven, i believe. it was easy mislynch bait and deimos'
347 looks so pre-planned that i have no doubt that it was typed up during the night. when it became apparent that ucv might not be the easy lynch that they thought he was, deimos transitioned over to the second player that he could push an easy wagon on - clemency. it had already been pointed out earlier in the game how clemency was apathetic in the one scumgame he had that everyone was in, so in
523 deimos makes the transition over. it's obvious to me that it seems to just be a personality trait moreso than anything hugely alignment indicative - i think anyone should be able to see that, especially someone who had played games with him before.