Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[WhyMafia]

Up to post 539 his posts seem detached IMO. Like he seems to be just drifting along. But at the same time, he seems to be confident, forming a contradiction, therefore making me think his posts are forced. Post 867 seems strange because he could've taken the opportunity to give an actual read on Alisae but he chose not to and instead stated that he was being mis-repped. His first stance was well .... post 906, and he still hasn't given a stance on the major talking points of the game

[WhyMafia]

Basically he seems contrived to me

[SnarkySnowman]

Hot take - thor as scum?

[WhyMafia]

Can you explain why please

[Creature]

Thinking Thor is scum too, but something makes me hesitate to lynch him today.

[WhyMafia]

Can you explain why please

[Creature]

Too coasty.

[Elliberetta]

SNOWMAN

HOW HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH BETWEEN

TOWNSNOWMAN
AND SCUMSNOWMAN

TYVM

snary plz help me

[Mikan Tsumiki]

Why is Alisae being scum read BTW

Oh young WhyMafia.
When I'm actually town
everybody scumreads me for no reason.
Get with the program man

[Mikan Tsumiki]

I assume Thor has a reason, so I'm not talking about him.

[Thor665]

I mean I think you're wrong but if you actually believe that we can have the chat later.

Let's have it - I find analysis during that stage pretty laughable as literally the only possible thing a scum could do that a town wouldn't would be to try to kibosh the voting into a group where he has a buddy that he thinks is less likely to be lynched than another, and on Day 1 - I would pay a million internet dollars to *ANYBODY* who accurately called something outside of random chance percentages.

I'm busy at a con this weekend and I see that you have joined larges before so it would be VERY helpful if you just linked me 1 or 2 examples of thinking this same thing before ANYWHERE as town.

Literally there is no way I can do that search more effectively than you - as both of us would just be scanning ISOS, and since I'm not the one who appears to think that Thor would lie about this belief as scum when he holds the opposite belief as town I think the obligation of the meaningless grunt work falls solely on you, and I'll just mock it if you manage to cobble together anything from it
Honestly I don't even get why you're doing the make busy work here a thing, like, what's the theory scumtell even?

[Ellibereth]

i mean u presumably remember where you've said it before and aren't on ur phone all weekend so it should be easier for u

[Elliberetta]

i mean u presumably remember where you've said it before and aren't on ur phone all weekend so it should be easier for u

[Thor665]

I have said that I remember saying it - hence we currently have the same tracking info.
I'll agree I'm not on my phone, but as I said, I see no reason I should waste the time doing your legwork on a case I know is bollocks anyway.

[Elliberetta]

the theory is also pretty ez

if i can't find evidence u thought this way before im getting u lynched lul

[Elliberetta]

on the random thing

just because you don't know of a method doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

i'd at least reccomend you look at my last two town games

random chance is like 17% accuracy?

i can garuantee i can do better with just data.

[Thor665]

It would be like me saying 'Ellie, I can't believe you think that scumhunting on Day 1 in a large is so important - please provide me examples of you explaining, as town, this belief in a Large!"

Yeah, you could know I'm daft.
And you probably could go and search through games and find evidence that fits the need to clear my case.
But why should you, and why would you, since the case is dumb and it would eat up like an hour or so of your time?
It's my dumb case, it's on me to justify it - not on you to disprove it in a vacuum even lacking a scum case.

Pedit - like I said, I'd love to hear it. i think you're fooling yourself.

And good luck getting me lynched, I have people townreading me for basically existing.

[Elliberetta]

and like of course its easier for u to remember where u said something than for me to go find where u said something wtf you have some sense of what to look for

[Elliberetta]

i do have examples

past two games ive' played

lmao

[Thor665]

random chance is like 17% accuracy?

i can garuantee i can do better with just data.

Sure - but you'd need data that can be mined for info.
Which means you need trackable behavior that town would do more/less than scum and vice versa.
I am suggesting that we don't have the possibility to search the data in a meaningful way since the criteria is so unknown to us as to be mathematically inconsequential.

[Elliberetta]

if you don't think even a primitive system with human assistance that has enough sample size that tracks word choice, post times, and other concrete shit like that can't do better than random on d1 you're the one fooling yourself lmao

but I don't care about convincing you I'll just keep turning in good results

and i'll just do the busy work to find ur shit myself on ~monday~

[Mikan Tsumiki]

And good luck getting me lynched, I have people townreading me for basically existing.

[Mikan Tsumiki]

I would sheep Elli

[Thor665]

i do have examples

past two games ive' played

lmao

Okay?
Even if true this hardly disproves my point or stance.
What the hell are we even arguing now?

[Thor665]

I would sheep Elli

Last I checked I am available to be lynched.