Newbie 1827: Baseball Game Over

For Newbie Games, which have a set format and experienced moderators. Archived during the 2023 queue overhaul.
User avatar
Quick
Quick
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Quick
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5781
Joined: October 11, 2017

Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:11 am

Post by Quick »

In post 1072, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 1069, Quick wrote:You hinged a huge part of your game on Pre-Flip. You also pushed Thor quite a bit who was Claimed without a CC as well. I consider those things Anti-Town.
We’ve covered pre-flip pushing is acceptable as long as you re-evaluate. Thousands of people do that on this site.

Not being cc’d doesn’t mean somebody is clear. He still isn’t technically clear. When a player blatantly refuses to do things when asks as Thor did, that’s suspicious as fuck and so I pushed it. He’s also playing anti-town and if this was a completely closed setup I’d still be pushing his lynch.

Now we look at scummy play. Refusing to give reads which game did earlier in mylo is essentially a scum claim. Lurking and being useless is also.

If he’s town he’s lost us the game. That’s why I don’t think he is.
Pre-Flip is not acceptable, here's why:

When you do Pre-Flip, the cognitive bias that Town has for tying two players together is outweighed by the degree that it is inaccurate. That is why Scum can use Pre-Flip to push things without even having to worry about people pushing them back for doing poor Pre-Flip, because in the back of everyone's heads, they know Pre-Flip is basically a crapshoot, but when they see the initial Pre-Flip someone says, they contemplate it and give it more weight than it deserves.

And we have been over the claim thing, this is a Semi-Open setup, which means unless you are severely mentally challenged, you are going to know to CC someone who claims something you can counter.
https://youtu.be/LRkYiRnRzY0

Wakie, wakie. Eggs and Bacie.
User avatar
Apple Jack
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3273
Joined: October 28, 2011

Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:13 am

Post by Apple Jack »

I see absolutely no town motivation to lurk in mylo. When the game is on the line and town is back against the ropes he’s not around. He doesn’t care if town wins to me. So I’m speaking in absolute from my POV.
I love MUFFINS!!!
User avatar
Apple Jack
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3273
Joined: October 28, 2011

Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:20 am

Post by Apple Jack »

Disagree about the pre-flip stuff and clearly so do thousands of other players since they still do it.
In post 1075, Quick wrote:And we have been over the claim thing, this is a Semi-Open setup, which means unless you are severely mentally challenged, you are going to know to CC someone who claims something you can counter.
I’m not mentally challenged but I am stubborn as fuck and when a person out right refuses information I don’t really care what their claim is. My play is always play > claim. If you play scummy you get a scum read regardless. Yesterday there was absolutely motivation (and good reasons) not to cc. Today not so much which is why I’ve backed off. But he’s still played scummy and if it wasn’t for the claim he’d be my top scum read.

So I moved on and used Poe and I feel good I know who both scum are.
I love MUFFINS!!!
User avatar
gameplay506
gameplay506
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
gameplay506
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5578
Joined: March 16, 2014

Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:42 am

Post by gameplay506 »

Oh god :lol:
I suggest you start thinking before writing so that you don't humiliate yourself anymore.
User avatar
Apple Jack
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3273
Joined: October 28, 2011

Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:45 am

Post by Apple Jack »

I’m not humiliated by anything I’ve posted. More people should actually play that way. Town may actually start winning more.
I love MUFFINS!!!
User avatar
Thor665
Thor665
Papa Smurf
User avatar
User avatar
Thor665
Papa Smurf
Papa Smurf
Posts: 33454
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL

Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:11 pm

Post by Thor665 »

In post 1070, Quick wrote:Thor, why is overreacting AI?
Because I believe scum have built in guilt which tends to make them react negatively to things clipping thr truth, even if those things are fairly minor in reality.
Functionally it's the ol' 'caught for wrong reasons' sort of thing.
User avatar
Quick
Quick
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Quick
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5781
Joined: October 11, 2017

Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:36 pm

Post by Quick »

In post 1080, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1070, Quick wrote:Thor, why is overreacting AI?
Because I believe scum have built in guilt which tends to make them react negatively to things clipping thr truth, even if those things are fairly minor in reality.
Functionally it's the ol' 'caught for wrong reasons' sort of thing.
I don't think you actually believe this, I know I don't.

I've seen Town "overreact" plenty and I think you are being dishonest in your read on me saying that being defensive is a Scum tell, when it clearly isn't and I've said as much plenty before which I would be willing to go searching for just to show your read on me is complete bollocks.
https://youtu.be/LRkYiRnRzY0

Wakie, wakie. Eggs and Bacie.
User avatar
Apple Jack
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3273
Joined: October 28, 2011

Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:40 pm

Post by Apple Jack »

Yeah no way Thor actually believes that.
I love MUFFINS!!!
User avatar
Quick
Quick
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Quick
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5781
Joined: October 11, 2017

Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:42 pm

Post by Quick »

In post 1077, Apple Jack wrote:Disagree about the pre-flip stuff and clearly so do thousands of other players since they still do it.
In post 1075, Quick wrote:And we have been over the claim thing, this is a Semi-Open setup, which means unless you are severely mentally challenged, you are going to know to CC someone who claims something you can counter.
I’m not mentally challenged but I am stubborn as fuck and when a person out right refuses information I don’t really care what their claim is. My play is always play > claim. If you play scummy you get a scum read regardless. Yesterday there was absolutely motivation (and good reasons) not to cc. Today not so much which is why I’ve backed off. But he’s still played scummy and if it wasn’t for the claim he’d be my top scum read.

So I moved on and used Poe and I feel good I know who both scum are.
People don't do Pre-Flip knowing what they are doing - that's the whole point. They do Pre-Flip because it's easy as Fuck to do, not because it's actually accurate or even useful.

My play is Play>Claim as well, but it's pretty obvious that in a semi-open if there is not a CC then that trumps play because reading people is fallible and is so often wrong.

I don't think there were actually "good reasons" not to CC yesterday so you are going to have to show how not CCing there is better than CC there, which I don't think you can actually do.
https://youtu.be/LRkYiRnRzY0

Wakie, wakie. Eggs and Bacie.
User avatar
Quick
Quick
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Quick
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5781
Joined: October 11, 2017

Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:50 pm

Post by Quick »

FWIW, my last completed game I was accused of pretty much the same thing Thor is accusing me of this game and I was Town there. I think Thor is experienced enough to know when he is giving a real read here or on and I don't think he is for me. Not really sure what that is about, but its annoying af.
https://youtu.be/LRkYiRnRzY0

Wakie, wakie. Eggs and Bacie.
User avatar
Thor665
Thor665
Papa Smurf
User avatar
User avatar
Thor665
Papa Smurf
Papa Smurf
Posts: 33454
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL

Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:05 pm

Post by Thor665 »

At least the thing you think I'm doing is fake isn't factually incorrect like what you were on me about.
User avatar
Quick
Quick
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Quick
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5781
Joined: October 11, 2017

Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:08 pm

Post by Quick »

In post 1085, Thor665 wrote:At least the thing you think I'm doing is fake isn't factually incorrect like what you were on me about.
So do you have an actual reason to Scum read me for, or what?
https://youtu.be/LRkYiRnRzY0

Wakie, wakie. Eggs and Bacie.
User avatar
Thor665
Thor665
Papa Smurf
User avatar
User avatar
Thor665
Papa Smurf
Papa Smurf
Posts: 33454
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL

Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:13 pm

Post by Thor665 »

You are fully aware of my reason - you calling it fake doesn't change it.
User avatar
Quick
Quick
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Quick
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5781
Joined: October 11, 2017

Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:14 pm

Post by Quick »

In post 1087, Thor665 wrote:You are fully aware of my reason - you calling it fake doesn't change it.
It's not fucking AI to "overreact". That's complete bullshit.
https://youtu.be/LRkYiRnRzY0

Wakie, wakie. Eggs and Bacie.
User avatar
Apple Jack
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3273
Joined: October 28, 2011

Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:15 pm

Post by Apple Jack »

In post 1088, Quick wrote:
In post 1087, Thor665 wrote:You are fully aware of my reason - you calling it fake doesn't change it.
It's not fucking AI to "overreact". That's complete bullshit.
Of course it is and he knows that but he likes to argue.
If you say the sky is blue he’ll argue that.
I love MUFFINS!!!
User avatar
Thor665
Thor665
Papa Smurf
User avatar
User avatar
Thor665
Papa Smurf
Papa Smurf
Posts: 33454
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL

Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:24 pm

Post by Thor665 »

In post 1088, Quick wrote:
In post 1087, Thor665 wrote:You are fully aware of my reason - you calling it fake doesn't change it.
It's not fucking AI to "overreact". That's complete bullSmurf.
No it's not. Reactions are part of the entire concept of the game and scumhunting.
User avatar
Thor665
Thor665
Papa Smurf
User avatar
User avatar
Thor665
Papa Smurf
Papa Smurf
Posts: 33454
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL

Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:25 pm

Post by Thor665 »

In post 1089, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 1088, Quick wrote:
In post 1087, Thor665 wrote:You are fully aware of my reason - you calling it fake doesn't change it.
It's not fucking AI to "overreact". That's complete bullshit.
Of course it is and he knows that but he likes to argue.
If you say the sky is blue he’ll argue that.
Unfortunately in this game I'm arguing the sky is blue and you're arguing it's chartreuse and neon red polka dotted.
User avatar
Apple Jack
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3273
Joined: October 28, 2011

Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:27 pm

Post by Apple Jack »

Really? Cause you still haven’t posted what this site considers a proper vca yet you argue you have.
I love MUFFINS!!!
User avatar
Quick
Quick
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Quick
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5781
Joined: October 11, 2017

Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:53 pm

Post by Quick »

In post 1090, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1088, Quick wrote:
In post 1087, Thor665 wrote:You are fully aware of my reason - you calling it fake doesn't change it.
It's not fucking AI to "overreact". That's complete bullSmurf.
No it's not. Reactions are part of the entire concept of the game and scumhunting.
Image
https://youtu.be/LRkYiRnRzY0

Wakie, wakie. Eggs and Bacie.
User avatar
Thor665
Thor665
Papa Smurf
User avatar
User avatar
Thor665
Papa Smurf
Papa Smurf
Posts: 33454
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL

Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:59 am

Post by Thor665 »

In post 1092, Apple Jack wrote:Really? Cause you still haven’t posted what this site considers a proper vca yet you argue you have.
Literally your entire argument that I haven't posted a VCA is that I didn't use color coding - a definition disagreed with in the discussions you linked to claim that it has to have color coding.

Stop arguing with me like you're a five year old.
User avatar
Apple Jack
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3273
Joined: October 28, 2011

Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:12 am

Post by Apple Jack »

It’s not just the color coding thing. There are other things involved in a proper vca and I know you know that.
I love MUFFINS!!!
User avatar
Thor665
Thor665
Papa Smurf
User avatar
User avatar
Thor665
Papa Smurf
Papa Smurf
Posts: 33454
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL

Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:22 am

Post by Thor665 »

Like what? What else am I missing?
User avatar
gameplay506
gameplay506
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
gameplay506
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5578
Joined: March 16, 2014

Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:26 am

Post by gameplay506 »

Can we just ignore derpy?
User avatar
Apple Jack
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Apple Jack
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3273
Joined: October 28, 2011

Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:33 am

Post by Apple Jack »

In post 1096, Thor665 wrote:Like what? What else am I missing?
There is a whole process. I’m pretty sure you know and just were too lazy to do it. I’ll just go back to ignoring you.
I love MUFFINS!!!
User avatar
Thor665
Thor665
Papa Smurf
User avatar
User avatar
Thor665
Papa Smurf
Papa Smurf
Posts: 33454
Joined: October 11, 2009
Location: Venice, FL

Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:19 am

Post by Thor665 »

What is this process?
Maybe I'm an idiot and don't understand VCA - I thought it was about looking at a wagon, noting confirmed scuma nd town, and then assessing the unknowns to assign scum reads to them based on how likely that section is to contain scum. Which is what I did.

What part did I leave out specifically?

Return to “The Road to Rome [Newbie Games]”