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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:28 am

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In post 1022, Ectomancer wrote:
In post 1015, DeasVail wrote:Also,

VOTE: Ectomancer
In post 1007, Ectomancer wrote:
In post 1002, boring wrote:@Ecto - I don't understand why you're holding out to be the hammer for Deas. It's an abrupt change from your D1 MO. Why not just vote, and then try to rally more votes?
Because at that position I can either drive the train forward or apply the brakes. It sort of depends upon how it arrives at that junction. It puts me in a stronger position of control than kick starting a wagon and rallying the troops. That's sufficient for D1, but not really optimal for D2.
What happens if I never get to L-1?
Then you will neither be led to nor saved from the hangman's noose by me.

Why this change in MO?

In the military, if you have two guys to do a job, one of them does the job and the other one supervises. Why? Because the guy doing the job is down in the trenches with a narrowed focus. The other guy can keep his eye on the big picture and make certain that the job is done safely and properly.

this is a game of mafia. not the military. I don't even see the point in this. It is just filler


Now I realize that I didn't ask for the privilege and you might express your displeasure at my creation and assumption of what is essentially a power role (a no controversy town hammer). And even assuming that it would be a no controversy hammer is controversial without a confirmed town status (they would take over the hammer role if that were to occur).

i don't understand this


But the fact is that I get emotional when first person in the discussion and that hampers my objectivity.
So this is the role I intend to play. I'll ignore any votes on me and in fact won't even acknowledge that they are there. I won't claim and won't give an analysis until I am ready, even if pressured with an L-1. Said L-1 would be scum pressure anyhow as we have game deadlines and I would certainly be obligated to deliver it be then. Until said analysis I'll simply be guiding the conversation onto interesting paths without becoming one of the direct participants.

so you like ATE. I just got out of a scum game where i used ATE to get myself out of L-1. You won't acknoledge votes on you. it is decent to scum hunt and defend yourself at the same time. scum can easily ignore cases on them, so they can scum hunt and draw attention to someone else. you will "GUIDE" the conversation away from you, and to someone else
hmmmmm
I don't know what to think of this. I do think that i should reread some stuff and see what it looks like if i read it w/o iso. My case may be a little weaker
so...i don't get enough sleep
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:59 am

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In post 1023, Fishythefish wrote:@Ecto: that's an interesting way to play. With the obvious drawback (for others) of making you hard to read. Is it a style you've used before?
No. In a meta reference in mafia or general discussion I made a comeback thread titled "I was 39" or something like that. Maybe that's the right one. Anyhow I'm 49 now. The site is full of completed games with me ages 39-44 or so. I've aged and come back and stated there that I'm wondering how my play will have changed. Well one of the things that I've come to recognize about myself is that I do tend to become emotional in the right direction, but with way to heavy a hand on the throttle. This is one way I want to try to see how effective it is for me in giving good and proper analysis.
This is good town meta too. Odds are that I will receive a town role more often than I will receive a scum role while playing on this site. My intentions are to improve my analysis as town. The strategy I am using is based in sound psychological logic. Get my emotions back out of the way because I know me and I know they blind me.

I don't mind prods on how I might make the position more palatable to you (collective plural). But because I've stated my purpose behind this path if someone pokes at me I will just ignore it. Unemotionally and without knowing who might do it; I would feel you more likely to be scum if you did try to stir an emotional response from me. In LYLO this might result in you being more likely to be lynched. Town or scum, that isn't a winning strategy for you.
I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.

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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:48 am

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OK, cool. I think this is a town move, and endorse Ectomancer as unemotional, analytical hammerer-in-chief.
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:03 pm

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In post 1006, UC Voyager wrote:
In post 981, ProHawk wrote:Hi! Haven't read much yet, but I should get to it tomorrow.
finished reading yet?
Still working on it
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:35 pm

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In post 1027, Fishythefish wrote:OK, cool. I think this is a town move, and endorse Ectomancer as unemotional, analytical hammerer-in-chief.
I’m not as passionate about scum-Ecto as I was yesterday, but why do you think they are town?
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:10 pm

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Only made it to like page 11 before my eyes started glossing over from all of the walls....

So why did Fitz make it out of the pressure?
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:13 pm

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^lynch^
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:17 pm

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You actually had a decent opener this game Transcend
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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:27 pm

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Ik

But your role pm is red dude

Sorry
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:31 pm

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Naww, check the rxns to your opener.
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:41 pm

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In post 1033, Transcend wrote:But your role pm is red dude

Sorry
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:01 pm

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How do you feel about these folks? kelbris, mutantdevle, havingfitz
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:01 pm

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Town town town
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:02 pm

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In post 1036, ProHawk wrote:How do you feel about these folks? kelbris, mutantdevle, havingfitz
I have not been liking mutant. a few of his posts have been raising red alarms
so...i don't get enough sleep
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:03 pm

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Elaborate
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:06 pm

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In post 1039, Transcend wrote:Elaborate
He said he didn't trust any of us because we were "scum reading each other". The scum team would love for us to not be scum hunting.


A few of his other posts did raise a few alarms
so...i don't get enough sleep
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:09 pm

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In post 1039, Transcend wrote:Elaborate
He said he didn't trust any of us because we were "scum reading each other". The scum team would love for us to not be scum hunting.


A few of his other posts did raise a few alarms
so...i don't get enough sleep
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:10 pm

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Wait! Transcend I found your boner in #412!
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:11 pm

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In post 412, Transcend wrote:In the mean time

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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:44 pm

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I feel the ProHawk-is-probably-scum sentiment. I'm still feeling a DeasVail vote too, but I'd like to know what people are feeling about Fitz and Ecto.

I'm kinda okay with Ecto's explanation, in theory, but I'd really prefer him to take a more active role in the voting. It seems like the scum-hunting has been thrown out with the bathwater, with this new "objective" D2 strategy.

And I'd like input on my observation that Fitz is only putting in self-defence effort, as opposed to game-solving effort. Isn't that ultimately the behavior we look for in scum? Maybe it's the liberal quantities of vodka surging through my blood-stream, but I believe my Fitz-related observations are pretty fucking sweet, and they've been ignored. I'm like this close from straight up pouting over it.
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:49 pm

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At this point... and I am only up to post 560 or so... I REALLY got the feeling that Fitz asked the question at the beginning of the game because he knew the answer and then used it as a reason to push a read. If I had to see any flips I would prefer Fitz or Kelbris.
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:14 pm

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I don't know what to fucking do with Kelbris. He's kind of adorable, so I don't want him to be scum, but he could totally be scum, but if he flipped town, that's like zero information, except maybe for the wagon analysis.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:39 pm

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Holy shit, yall let Trascend get away with that garbage and lynched town? rofl
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:57 pm

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VOTE: prohawk

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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:01 pm

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page top for mod since he's online

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