Mini 1953: XP Mafia (Game Over)

[mastina]

wait so they could also redirect my vig shot?

Or busdrive, but yes.
And that'd be assuming you'd even shoot scum in the first place. If you shot Screenplay after mislynching me, there'd be no need for them to even DO that because it'd be you shooting town and doing their dirty work for them.

[Something_Smart]

@Mod: can we have the wording for a not loyal action result?

I don't understand this question.

[gerryoat]

Me, Maki Roll, Screen town team.

Mastina and Vax/Fitz

[mastina]

Screen would you lynch fitz?

I would. Not my first choice, but the choice which makes the most sense, yes.

[Srceenplay]

@Mod: can we have the wording for a not loyal action result?

I don't understand this question.

What would the result be?

[gerryoat]

ffs we have confirmed mafia. stop trying to find the partner rn. it's mylo

[Srceenplay]

wait so what happened n1?

I was RB

[gerryoat]

@Mod: can we have the wording for a not loyal action result?

I don't understand this question.

What would the result be?

You have to word it differently. "If there was a tracker, and they used the loyal mechanic on mafia. Would it simply say no result or would something as a no visit be the result"

[mastina]

Mod messaged me. My pm last night is identical to the N1 sent to this slot. I don’t know for sure what a not loyal result would look like.

The design of loyal is to intentionally be identical to other forms of failure. Ascetic? No Result. Roleblocked? No result. Target rolestopped? No result. Target commuted? No result. Target hid? No result unless for some ungodly reason the tracker can track the hider. Loyal on scum? No result. They all should give identical readings. Ambiguity is inherent in the system for flexibility. It's a feature, not a flaw, so yes. A loyal result is identical to a roleblocked result and there'd be no way to tell the difference.

However, you did in fact get roleblocked.

[mastina]

mastina are we playing WWE or what

If by that, you mean this?
VOTE: havingfitz.
Then yes. I'm all for a turnaround this game in our favor. Turn the tables on the scum and get locktown from it.

[Something_Smart]

@Mod: can we have the wording for a not loyal action result?

I don't understand this question.

What would the result be?

I don't know what you mean by "not loyal action."

[Maki Harukawa]

@Mod: can we have the wording for a not loyal action result?

I don't understand this question.

What would the result be?

I don't know what you mean by "not loyal action."

If someone was roleblocked what would the text be for an action

If you target player A with a loyal action but they're not loyal IE not on your side what would the text be

[Something_Smart]

@Mod: can we have the wording for a not loyal action result?

I don't understand this question.

What would the result be?

I don't know what you mean by "not loyal action."

If someone was roleblocked what would the text be for an action

If you target player A with a loyal action but they're not loyal IE not on your side what would the text be

The action would be considered failed in both cases.

By default, an investigative role would receive "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result." in both cases.

[Maki Harukawa]

oh fuck that

[Srceenplay]

I gotta eat. I’ll come back later.
I’m

[havingfitz]

mastina are we playing WWE or what

If by that, you mean this?
VOTE: havingfitz.
Then yes. I'm all for a turnaround this game in our favor. Turn the tables on the scum and get locktown from it.

So essentially Srceenplay is a counterclaim to you. If he is town and telling the truth then you are scum. If you are town then he is lying scum.

Is this not accurate?

Yet you vote me lol

[gerryoat]

mastina are we playing WWE or what

If by that, you mean this?
VOTE: havingfitz.
Then yes. I'm all for a turnaround this game in our favor. Turn the tables on the scum and get locktown from it.

So essentially Srceenplay is a counterclaim to you. If he is town and telling the truth then you are scum. If you are town then he is lying scum.

Is this not accurate?

Yet you vote me lol

Cool bus

[mastina]

Btw I realize this is an uphill battle.
But if we want to actually lynch scum.
We need it to be all four town.

I have the town pegged.
Maki is town.
Screenplay is town.
Vaxkiller is town.

But havingfitz/gerryoat won't vote themselves or each other. So in order to have a scum lynch. We need every town player to vote together.

I've got all the answers in the game.
I just need to prove them to you.

[mastina]

So essentially Srceenplay is a counterclaim to you. If he is town and telling the truth then you are scum. If you are town then he is lying scum. Is this not accurate?

Screenplay

appears

to be a counterclaim to me. But that's the thing. You're scum setting up a 1v1 between town. You're insisting that it's cut-and-dry, unambiguous, that one of us being town means the other is scum.

Yet that's not the case.
And the ones pushing it are the ACTUAL scum.

[havingfitz]

But here's the thing mastina...I'm not scum. I'm town. And your flailing against what is essentially a cc to you and ignoring that for any last straw you can grasp at to make it to tonight.

So yesterday you were all for Eevee and gerryoat as scum to end the day. Yet you skip past gerryoat (who you still suspect today) and decide to block the guy getting a new unknown upgrade. Worth risking a block on me than on the next most powerful PR in the game next to your claimed one (tracker).

No way scum leaves a roleblocker AND a tracker alive over a fcuking autofarmer. On that alone at least one of you or Srceen would be scum in my book. Srceen's result and your effort at me to start this day are all I need to push me your way tyvm.

And that was a pretty cool bus gerryoat.

[gerryoat]

I've got all the answers in the game.

yes, maf usually does.

[mastina]

Yet you skip past gerryoat (who you still suspect today) and decide to block the guy getting a new unknown upgrade.

Yes. Exactly. Because I didn't fucking trust your sketchy-as-hell claim. gerryoat is scum, but a known entity more or less. The earliest he could upgrade would be today in the best of scenarios by my math. He's also been blocked multiple times in multiple ways. FURTHERMORE. I had also made it known that gerry was someone I was heavily considering for the block, where my thoughts were stated as "block one, lynch the other". (Or rather, lynch one, block the other.) It was for that very reason that I decided to block you. I intend to, 100%, unambiguously, regardless of your flip, block gerryoat tonight. (And we can work around whatever we have.) But the block on you, I stand by 100%. Especially if as I suspect. You are in fact the source of the redirection mechanic.

Worth risking a block on me than on the next most powerful PR in the game next to your claimed one (tracker).

If I had blocked Screenplay, I would have fucking announced blocking Screenplay. In fact, had Eevee flipped scum, this was actually my plan. I was intending to block Screenplay as a test to his claim because I didn't think his claim was really proven and him claiming a no result with two dead scum would establish beyond any shadow of a doubt he was town doubly so, by having him truthfully claim his result and having him be confirmed not a killer.

But EeveeLution Army

didn't

flip scum, so I was forced to reevaluate. And my first thought went to all the sketchy-as-hell aspects of your claim, so instead of blocking Screenplay I fucking blocked you, because of twofold reasons: roleblocking you would serve as a rolecop of sorts in that I'd get your action type via the follower aspect of my upgraded role and thus inform me of what you are, yet it would ALSO prevent a scum you from pulling any shenanigans, exactly what I suspect has in fact happened.

No way scum leaves a roleblocker AND a tracker alive over a fcuking autofarmer.

Unless, of course. They have...oh. Yaknow. A fucking method of countering those powers. Which. Y'know. A redirection-role accomplishes. You're basically fucking proving my point that I'm town. You're literally writing the case for me. The fact that scum left us both alive is proof we're town AND that scum had a way of foiling us.

[havingfitz]

The fact that scum left us both alive is proof we're town

[mastina]

The fact that scum left us both alive is proof we're town

Yes. Because if one of us were scum, then we'd kill the other in order to appear town and get the greatest threat to us out of the way.

A scum-Screenplay can't afford to be roleblocked by me.
A scum-mastina can't afford to be tracked by Screenplay.

If either of us were scum, we'd have motivation to kill the other, to appear town and to remove the greatest threat to us.
dreal being killed is proof that the scum were instead looking to set a situation up where the town would do their dirty work for them.

That being.
Mislynch one, and hand scum the win when the other would be framed.

They couldn't account for Maki having a vig, but they wouldn't need to. This is mylo. Even without a Maki vig, they mislynch town and are capable of killing, they win. Even if not. Even if they can't use XP to kill thus placing the game in 5p lylo tomorrow. It being a "1v1" with one flipped town. They simply mislynch the other, and then. BAM. Scum win.

So yes.

The very thing you are using as evidence of me being scum is proof that I am town.

[Vaxkiller]

I need to read this sober tomorrow but my intention is to vote for mastina.