Newbie 1830 - Game Over

Fykus · Post Post #900 (ISO) » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:39 pm

UNVOTE: ee

Huntress · Post Post #901 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:12 am

MathBlade replaces RadiantCowbells.

Huntress · Post Post #902 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:15 am

Vote Count 3.5Everyone Else (2) - Derpy Hooves, UC Voyager,
UC Voyager (1) - Vortigern
MathBlade (1) - Everyone Else

Not voting (2) - Fykus, MathBlade

With six players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day three is Tuesday, 28th November, 11.30pm GMT, (in (expired on 2017-11-28 23:30:00)).

MathBlade · Post Post #903 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:20 am

VOTE: No Lynch

Going to read the thread later but this is 100% the proper play.

With 6 alive this is what is known as MyLO which is mislynch and lose.
Barring a PR guilty of some kind there is no way we can be 100% sure if someone is scum or not.

The only reason anyone should be voting is if someone is confirmed scum to them. Otherwise we force scum to kill someone and bring it to LyLO.

What we should be doing is giving our reads over the entire game state. This way the scum kill to avoid a scum lynch will be a lot harder.

People please unvote and/or vote no lynch while I get time to read the thread.

MathBlade · Post Post #904 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:34 am

In post 899, UC Voyager wrote:I think RC would have quick hammered EE if EE was town and RC was scum, so unless they are both scum, idk

Correct.

This is "hammer testing". This can happen intentionally or be an intentional strategy. In multiple player LYLOs it can get a bit complicated but in this case EE Town me scum is not a valid possibility.

MathBlade · Post Post #905 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:37 am

In post 885, Huntress wrote:
Vote Count 3.4Everyone Else (3) - Derpy Hooves, UC Voyager, Fykus
UC Voyager (1) - Vortigern
ironstove (1) - Everyone Else

Not voting (1) - ironstove

With six players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day three is Tuesday, 28th November, 11.30pm GMT, (in (expired on 2017-11-28 23:30:00)).

ironstove is being replaced. Sorry for the delay - I wasn't able to follow up the offers yesterday.

Now let's take a look at this Vote Count here. Has Vortigern also posted since the third vote was placed?

MathBlade · Post Post #906 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:41 am

The answer to that is no so that option still remains.

The only way I am scum is with EE period from anyone's point of view. (Well except mine as I am obvTown)

I have enough experience on MS to take a free win if given. Therefore I expect any world that is proposed to follow this logic. If you don't understand the logic ask questions until you do but saying it is wrong is tantamount to a scum claim.

MathBlade · Post Post #907 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:50 am

Row 1: Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6
Column A: Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town 1-shot Bulletproof, Vanilla Townie x 5
These are the two potential setups.

In these cases there are no investigative PRs. One shot BP if it exists nets us nothing claiming now. (If anyone claimed before 1 shot BP please disregard) If a kill does not go through then the 1 shot BP was killed and instantly claims. Then we pretend it is LyLO with the remaining five because scum would have to NK the confirmed town. Either that or scum are forced to counterclaim and make a case for why they would be shot more.

In the case of no 1 shot BP we absolutely force scum to kill one of us after laying out all our reads. This forces scum into a cage where they can be destroyed.

Apple Jack · Post Post #908 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:04 am

In post 903, MathBlade wrote:The only reason anyone should be voting is if someone is confirmed scum to them.

EE is confirmed scum imo

MathBlade · Post Post #909 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:05 am

In post 908, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 903, MathBlade wrote:The only reason anyone should be voting is if someone is confirmed scum to them.
EE is confirmed scum imo

Break it down for me: Why?

Apple Jack · Post Post #910 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:06 am

he cc'd the actual tracker trying to get him lynched

MathBlade · Post Post #911 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:08 am

In this setup there is no tracker.

Link me?

Apple Jack · Post Post #912 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:10 am

sorry mixing up games.

he cc'd saab, but saab was jk, not tracker.

Apple Jack · Post Post #913 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:10 am

In post 664, Everyone Else wrote:Saab is lying, I'm the jail keeper

VOTE: Sabb

MathBlade · Post Post #914 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:13 am

In post 602, Fykus wrote:ok, im 1sbp.
who did you jk saad? it might help us narrow down potential scum?

Skimming I found this.

Did anyone CC?

MathBlade · Post Post #915 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:14 am

In post 913, Apple Jack wrote:
In post 664, Everyone Else wrote:Saab is lying, I'm the jail keeper

VOTE: Sabb

Noted.

And why didn't we lynch between Saab and EE yesterday?

Apple Jack · Post Post #916 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:14 am

nobody has cc'd the bp claim. I got the impression Iron was going to but he never did.

p.edit - cause ee retracted his claim later and people town read him for it.

MathBlade · Post Post #917 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:17 am

In post 916, Apple Jack wrote:nobody has cc'd the bp claim. I got the impression Iron was going to but he never did.

p.edit - cause ee retracted his claim later and people town read him for it.

Link me again please sorry just trying to post a lot before work.

Mainly I am trying to sort if EE is having a game similar to the newbie EE replaced into that went well bad...He did all sorts of well not good shit. (Like claiming cop after the cop was already dead and hammering me without intent)

MathBlade · Post Post #918 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:22 am

Gotta go be back late tonight.

Apple Jack · Post Post #919 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:31 am

In post 681, Everyone Else wrote:Ok, I'll admit, my counterclaim was fake. First off, if I was a jailkeeper why didn't James (the person before me) counterclaim? He didn't when Saad claimed so that should tell you James wasn't a PR at all, therefore I'm not a PR. I thought Derpy would've catch on but he believed my claimed OR did he? I can put in perspective that if he was scum, he would've really want the lynch on the first jailkeeper claim, Saad, and when Saad flips jailkeeper, he then would make a case on me saying I lied. Just a theory I have if he's scum. I would put Derpy was lean scum (even if he somehow convinces me he's town, i would rather have him lynched in lylo) and I'm thinking UC here is scum as well. UC did pinged me earlier and now he did it again and talked to Derpy like he's his buddy? The tone feels weird. I could be all wrong. Although someone else here did pinged me as well. That uh dog picture.

here is the retraction.

James didn't cc, because James wasn't around when the claim happened.

UC Voyager · Post Post #920 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:37 am

EE is pretty much conf scum to me unless the scum team is exactly fykus/derpy

im think vortigern is the partner of EE
a lot of it is gut feeling.

also interactions between EE and vort are interesting.

MathBlade · Post Post #921 (ISO) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:24 pm

I haven't had a chance to read yet y'all sorry.

Had a surprise four course meal pop up.

Will read tomorrow.

Before then if you pop on please give something in thoughts.

Apple Jack · Post Post #922 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:01 am

Next couple of days are going to be hectic for me holidays while being introverted doesn’t really go together. Ee is still my preference. I’m not a fan of no lynches especially when I’m convinced of at least one scum.

Vortigern · Post Post #923 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:30 am

I'm comfortable with my vote where it is, and I will also be busy over Thanksgiving.

UC Voyager · Post Post #924 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:36 am

In post 921, MathBlade wrote:I haven't had a chance to read yet y'all sorry.

Had a surprise four course meal pop up.

Will read tomorrow.

Before then if you pop on please give something in thoughts.

i should probably read to.

Im 99% sure EE is scum. Im not sure what the chance of someone busing is. Unless the scum team is exactly Derpy/fykus, i am sure EE is scum. Fykus claimed to be a BP, didn't he?