Mini Normal 1963 - List Mod Mafia Game Over

[Wossi]

It's a dispute about whether Sephiroth is doing three independent scumreads, or pteflip associations. Bringing up multiball displays misunderstanding of that interaction, in that you're buying into Lalendra's confusion(?)

Lalendra argued something that's functionally incorrect, I provided a reason why. My point is correct. Lalendra's was incorrect. I can't say it any more simplistically.

Why are you insisting on drawing a connection between my argument and Seph's? And if I'm being defensive, who exactly am I defending and what am I defending against?

[Chip Butty]

I'm gonna let the three of you thrash it out. Lalendra is misunderstanding Sephiroth and you're misunderstanding their misunderstanding. It's ultimately an argument about nothing, and not worth wasting further time on.

[Mulch]

Hardclaim vt bye


Baby steps

[skitter30]

Hardclaim vt bye


Baby steps

Are you proud of me for not self hammering NExus

I gotta admit I was low-key expecting you to self-hammer or claim something (as either alignment for both).

This is so different from how you've played before as either alignment that I'm kinda getting cold feet. You seem so much more . . . mellow. You're usually a lot more . . . . manic is probably a good word. As scum you try anything to stay alive. As town, you do anything you can to get people to read you right.

[Mulch]

Any questions

[skitter30]

Why should I be townreading you here? Why shouldn't we lynch you today?

[TwoInAMillion]

The fact that he put a smiley face next to his claim tells me he is lying.

[Sephiroth]

Any questions

Why is the sky blue? Why do mommy and daddy wrestle at night?

[Mulch]

Why should I be townreading you here? Why shouldn't we lynch you today?

Cause idc if I’m lynched


Because then there is a chance we can hit scum

[Mulch]

The fact that he put a smiley face next to his claim tells me he is lying.

What a god, you caught me

[Mulch]

Any questions

Why is the sky blue? Why do mommy and daddy wrestle at night?

[Sephiroth]

Any questions

Why is the sky blue? Why do mommy and daddy wrestle at night?

I mean I'm just saying you promised to be low effort and delivered. You basically ignored anything I said that was directed at you. Why would I think you have any intention of answering a question that matters?

[Mulch]

Any questions

Why is the sky blue? Why do mommy and daddy wrestle at night?

I mean I'm just saying you promised to be low effort and delivered. You basically ignored anything I said that was directed at you. Why would I think you have any intention of answering a question that matters?

Welp you could always ask

[Sephiroth]

You recently said you don't know who the scum are...are there any reads that you

do

feel confident about?

Do you plan on being zero effort all game or are you just giving up completely because it looks like you're going to be lynched?

Do you think you are fulfilling your duty as a replacement if you don't make a legitimate effort to fulfill the slot's win condition?

[Mulch]

1) my townreads
2) no, and I’m not giving up. Nobody has asked me anything so
3) false question

[Sephiroth]

1) my townreads

Can you remind me again what those are at this exact moment? I'm not trying to be pedantic but they have legitimately changed quite a bit and I'm not certain who your top reads are anymore. It seems like right now you're saying everyone is equally town. T/F?

2) no, and I’m not giving up. Nobody has asked me anything so

You literally just said you don't care if you're lynched though. And saying you think everyone is town and not digging a little deeper sure seems like you gave up.

3) false question

I'm just saying as town you're supposed to care if you're lynched at least a little bit. Not caring about being lynched isn't a reason to townread you, it just makes me think you're not really trying at your win condition regardless of your alignment. Which is just a bummer for the game as a whole.

[Mulch]

1) 1,3,8,9,10,12,13

My townreads

2) I don’t know what you want me to do, if you ask me a question I can show my thought process

3) I don’t really blame myself for people scumreading me for my style ^^

[Sephiroth]

1) 1,3,8,9,10,12,13
3) I don’t really blame myself for people scumreading me for my style ^^

I disagree that you're being scumread for your style, its been noted that your lack of effort is out of character for you. Do you blame your lack of effort on other people too?

[Sephiroth]

Meant to ask you what you meant with 1 but then realized I'm a dumb ass.

[Wickedestjr]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I am thankful that, despite the fiendish List Mod Mafia wreaking havoc upon our homeland, I am not alone in my quest to eliminate them and re-establish some peace in this godforsaken town.

(Posting more soon...)

[Wickedestjr]

If the three of us are scum then I am doing the absolute most obvious buddying and shit-tastic scum play ever.

Why does me scumreading the three of you necessitate that all three of you are scum together? I'm not going to delude myself into thinking everyone I have a scum read on D1 = the scum team. That would be silly. It just means I independently find each of you to be the scummiest in the game.

I suppose having three top scum reads doesn't necessarily mean you have to commit to those players being the scum team. But it seems a little weird to me that nowhere in this post (or other posts if IIRC) do you ever defend, "they

could

be partners". Either it's something you haven't really considered or you agree with Lalendra that they're probably not partners. Which is it? Or is it something else?

Okay can you explain the bolded part though?

I think if town has fakeclaimed miller and there has been no cc, the protown thing to do would be to stand firm and hope there is a cop variant who can clear you if necessary.

You return green to cops so that's a fair chance.

If you can sell it, you become a slot town doesn't worry about, and if you can't you can hope for a clearing check. But backtracking just creates confusion in town minds and detracts from the scum hunt. You might even draw the NK at some point if you are widely believed,

which is good as long as you are vt.

So what Taco has done is scummy at worst and antitown at best.

It still seems like there are a few holes in this thought process. Why would a cop investigate someone that claimed miller? And it also seems like you're ignoring the possibility that Serg could be a town power role. Earlier you said "I can see why town might fake claim but not why they would back off". Why don't you think that Serg could have been fake claiming 'for the lolz' ?

@Seph/Mulch - If you get me lynched, when I flip town, who are you going to look at next, and why?

For some reason, the 'when I flip town' feels pretty forced here. Almost as if this question was asked just so she could say 'I'm town'.

I will admit, my original wording was "If you get me lynched, and I flip town" but I changed it because I figured saying "If...I flip town" was going to get me scumread. Apparently the updated wording still didn't work in my favor lol.

Okay I suppose that makes sense. But what was your reason for asking this question in the first place?

[Wickedestjr]

no, and I’m not giving up. Nobody has asked me anything so

While I don't agree with the case against you, I do share implosion's concern with your reduced activity. And I have to disagree with you; it does feel as if you have given up. We have to lynch someone very soon; you're not voting for anybody right now and you are doing nothing to figure out who scum are. So how have you

not

given up?

If you are town, then you should put the effort in to give us something helpful.

[Chip Butty]

@Wicked:

I agree cop wouldn't usually scan a miller claim d1, but a miller claim that has subsequently been abandoned is a different matter.

If Taco is a town pr, then i don't think claiming miller then backing down was a good way to play it.

I think Taco is more serious than he pretends. I don't think he'd fakeclaim miller for the lulz per se, but he might do it to fit his whacky stoner persona. I doubt it though, because he admitted in the aftergame notes to mn 1946 that he just fakes that, and he knows i read it because i replied. Still, wifom...

Both Taco and Mulch are going to have to do some actual gamesolving with transparent thought processes before i can clear them.

[Flubbernugget]

oh good its time to hammer mulch now

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.13:

Mulch (6)

- Flubbernugget, Chip Butty, skitter30, Wossi, Sephiroth, implosion

Lalendra (3)

- Sergtacos, iDanyboy, Wickedestjr

Wossi (1)

- TwoInAMillion

Sergtacos (1)

- wavemode

Sephiroth (1)

- Lalendra

Not Voting (2)

- Mulch

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is at 3pm GMT on Sunday 26th November 2017 ((expired on 2017-11-26 15:00:00))

Sergtacos has been prodded.