this is exactly the rationale mafia would forward. look, the town right now is at an underpowered disadvantage, and our best chance is for guardian to nk mafia members.Patrick wrote:Even if we assume for a second that he's definitely an SK, it's extremely risky to keep him alive. He has an anti town win condition, so we know that anything he's saying is to help keep himself alive. If there comes a situation where it's in his best interests to go against our wishes, he'll do it without hesitation, and that kind of situation could easily arise (where we couldn't lynch him because we'd immediately lose to the mafia).Adel wrote:I want patrick to explain why in more detail, it is necessary.
But really, I see no reason to assume he's telling the truth anyway. I was leaning towards voting him even with the cop claim, all his new claim has done is removed any possibility that he's protown, making it a more solid lynch. I don't see how claiming SK has made it anymore likely that he actually is an SK, can you explain to why you think so? I think it's likely Guardian is mafia.
I'm not pro-town. It would have been much more in my best interests had we gone to night having lynched someone else and no one knowing I was an SK, something I believed was a legitimate possibility. I saw the cookie crumbling in the other direction, and decided that claiming and hoping you guys see the logic in letting me live was the best idea.Incognito wrote:Actually, now that I think about it, Guardian, if you're truly the Serial Killer, why did you lie from the start? Why didn't you just enter the game and claim Serial Killer instead of continuing to try and deceive us with Chaos_Omega's false cop-claim if you truly wanted to place the town's best intentions ahead of your own?
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How much do you trust Adel right now? What do you think the likelihood is that she is Mafia?Matt_S wrote:Wow, spring break seems to be an interesting time for mafia.Unvote Guardian^2. Well, we have one claimed scum already, so if we can lynch mafia today, and we get a crosskill tonight, that leaves our serial killer and maybe another mafia tomorrow. If Adel's right about Guardian being a good scumhunter, and he actually is a serial killer, then we could have a decent situation tomorrow.
Because you were going to get lynched anyway? Because you're mafia trying stay alive? All that your claim proves is that you want to survive, which isn't indicative of alignment.Guardian wrote:Think of it this way:
Why would I claim SK if I didn't legitimately think a rational town would not lynch me?
You're only looking at the best case. If we go 1 and 1 on the lynch and kill then we're in LyLo anyway and we may have an SK running around that we can't afford to lynch. At that point Guardian may not need to follow our direction on kills any more.Matt_S wrote:Wow, spring break seems to be an interesting time for mafia.Unvote Guardian^2. Well, we have one claimed scum already, so if we can lynch mafia today, and we get a crosskill tonight, that leaves our serial killer and maybe another mafia tomorrow. If Adel's right about Guardian being a good scumhunter, and he actually is a serial killer, then we could have a decent situation tomorrow.
So you think that we should just let him decide what's in the town's best interests? Do you have that little faith in your own ability to find scum? I mean, I could point out games where I've found the scum, and I'm sure that many others here could as well.Adel wrote:matt_s: check out this game for an example of guardian doing his scumhuntung thang as scum: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7270
lt;dr : as scum guardian replaces in a hammer scum with his first post, and then killed another scum with his nightmove. Town wins, despite being primarily made up of fools.
I trust Adel quite a bit since she seems to know how to get things done in the long run. Adel seems to attract scummy actions with her craziness. However, if Guardian^2's actually mafia, then I'd have to put Adel as fairly likely scum. That's for a variety of complicated reasons.Jitsu wrote:How much do you trust Adel right now? What do you think the likelihood is that she is Mafia?
Picking two suspicious people out of eight and none of them being scum isn't likely to happen. Even if only one of the two is scum we're in a fairly good position. However, if Guardian^2 is the serial killer(and I haven't heard any counterclaims[lol]) and we lynch him, it could be lynch or lose if there's 3 mafia.Erg0 wrote:You're only looking at the best case. If we go 1 and 1 on the lynch and kill then we're in LyLo anyway and we may have an SK running around that we can't afford to lynch. At that point Guardian may not need to follow our direction on kills any more.
dude, he killed two scum with one game post.Erg0 wrote:So you think that we should just let him decide what's in the town's best interests? Do you have that little faith in your own ability to find scum? I mean, I could point out games where I've found the scum, and I'm sure that many others here could as well.Adel wrote:matt_s: check out this game for an example of guardian doing his scumhuntung thang as scum: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7270
lt;dr : as scum guardian replaces in a hammer scum with his first post, and then killed another scum with his nightmove. Town wins, despite being primarily made up of fools.
.). Awesome case. Does the bolded "me" refer to your first incarnation? If so, I don't recall being suspicious of you and I fail to see why being suspicious of the SK is a scumtell. Also, can you point out where I said I was eager for zero discussion today, or acted as if I was?Guardian wrote:Erg0, yesterday's suspicion + behavior re:meand C_O. Eager for 0 discussion --> lynch.
) are saying it makes sense for town + me to go after scum today, you attack that reasoning and insist that I be lynched.
There's just so much wrong with the argument that pushing the lynch of the scummiest player in the game is a point against me. Your SK claim is irrelevant, I still don'tGuardian wrote:You were way too eager to lynch me, before you knew I was the SK. Even now, when multiple people, all of whom *are not on my team* (unless you think that all them are my SK-buddies....
I think this alone basically forces us to lynch Guardian today. If we could get the best case scenario to happen, then that would be awesome but it's not guaranteed. WhatErg0 wrote:You're only looking at the best case. If we go 1 and 1 on the lynch and kill then we're in LyLo anyway and we may have an SK running around that we can't afford to lynch. At that point Guardian may not need to follow our direction on kills any more.