Large Normal 208 - Fireworks Festival [End]

[AxleGreaser]

@Nero.

Hi?

For someone who is voting Lucky on what could possibly be lylo, you are very willing and quick to switch to a hypothetical scenario in which he's town.

Nero the quoted bit above looks a little like a question that has a typo, and is missing the question mark.

For someone who is voting Lucky on what could possibly be lylo, you are very willing and quick to switch to a hypothetical scenario in which he's town.

?

in case you miss that please treat it as question/statement and one you ought answer/respond to. ta.

[AxleGreaser]

Pick me

nope
and you can try to look like you are figuring the game out too.

[pienyan]

votecount 6.5

Not voting (7) - Transcend, I Am Innocent, AxleGreaser, Lucky2u, Whiskers, Nero Cain, Sauce

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is November 29, 16:50 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-11-29 16:50:00).

[AxleGreaser]

Let's not forget the Jk jailed Nero.

Yes that is a thing not forget. I am curious on what you thought it meant?

Topics might include:

• How strong that meant Viomis read on that Nero was?
  What the result of that action means?
  Whatever else you thought was an important reason for not forgetting that particular thing.

Spoiler: Blah blah in case you need a reason to answer (preferrably at length)

Also: if this interaction of mine and yours feels weird. Just humor me for a bit kk. (So you saying as many words on what you think as possible would be nice. I promise to read them all.)
What i am doing nothing especially deep and shouldn't get as wordy from my end, as some interactions that I do. And it only has a possibility of even being AI. Best shot I have.
and as breadcrumb of the contents of the reason for this line of inquiry, that I will be prepared to state later(shortly in game day time). I am having some difficulty working out how to apply the set of scum hunting techniques I have to get a better read on your slot.

Also feel free to spoiler your response as i suspect many people wont care about or use my line of inquiry. Its a me thing.

[Transcend]

Huh

[AxleGreaser]

EBWOP

Let's not forget the Jk jailed Nero.

Yes that is a thing

to

not forget. I am curious

however about

what you thought it meant?

Topics might include:

• How strong that meant Viomis read on that Nero was?
  What the result of that action means?
  Whatever else you thought was an important reason for not forgetting that particular thing.

Spoiler: Blah blah in case you need a reason to answer (preferrably at length)

Also: if this interaction of mine and yours feels weird. Just humor me for a bit kk. (So you saying as many words on what you think as possible would be nice. I promise to read them all.)
What i am doing nothing especially deep and shouldn't get as wordy from my end, as some interactions that I do. And it only has a possibility of even being AI. Best shot I have.
and as breadcrumb of the contents of the reason for this line of inquiry, that I will be prepared to state later(shortly in game day time). I am having some difficulty working out how to apply the set of scum hunting techniques I have to get a better read on your slot.

Also feel free to spoiler your response as i suspect many people wont care about or use my line of inquiry. Its a me thing.

[Whiskers]

Because oyu were the one who suggested it and argued it.

So? Changing one's mind isn't necessarily scummy. My g/f changes her mind like every 30 seconds, is she scum?

yeah probably. lynch her and see if she flips red.

The thing is that when it was an issue earlier you insisted it was one way and now when it would benefit 4!scum to have the town thinking they can mislynch freely (aka, believing there's 3!scum), you're saying "oh no it's totally probably Not the way I insisted. I insist I was wrong."
it's not the worst thing in the world but like,
c'mon.

IaI, both you and Whiskers keep pointing out the similarities between this and a newbie game-me question is-you are using the 3.5:1 ration for newbies but why is that a better indicator of the setup than the 4.6:1 in a large 17 player normal?

erm, did I say something about a newbie game? I probably did.
iirc i compared the ratio of town:scum and compared the power level of the town PRs.

two ICs are a nice fat bonus to town. JK with no chance to block a townrole is a Doc+, it's even stronger than a usual JK.
Like mostly I'm looking at the JK as the big power role in the room. It's not a cop but why would you even allow a cop and a doc in the same setup together?

Whiskers not ignoring you either. Need to get back to my notes to see your early posts which I didn’t like. I do remember not liking your back and forth with Joey, and especially hated your newbie defense of nauci when they first entered the thread, esp after ur earlier newbie <> town hypocritical comment. Also felt there were many associative tells between you, beeboy, and nauci, tho I have to see if those still hold water for you and beeboy now that nauci flipped town.

Gonna remind you that the "newbie hypocritical" stuff was UC defending himself going "I'm noob! I'm noob! No shoot!" and then me defending Nauci by going "She's kinda noob, no shoot yet."

It's like trying to clear

yourself

by

self-

meta vs someone

else

clearing you with your meta.
Plus, for the record, we still haven't lynched UC.

And yes, I think there is merit when so many people scum read a player yet they are impossible to lynch. See the speed of naucis wagon as a counter example

(psst, that's scum waiting for town to drive the inevitable wagon on a universally scum-read townie.)

And frankly, as I said, I wouldn't be impossible to lynch if you or anybody would make a case on me.


....Maybe not

anybody

, Axel kind of did already.

[Whiskers]

Huh

wow good post.

I'd lynch Sauce, IaI, or Transcend here.

[Whiskers]

Sauce is doing all this bullshit trying to force the lynch pool down to two (conveniently, he gets to pick and it excludes him), he's trying to drive town like "hey anybody who doesn't lynch in the same direction I do is scum"

IaI is straight up refusing to engage because "2 meny werdz" after posting a page of straight up quoted votecounts with some kind of VCA in completely separate posts. Axel is like "Hey defend this" and IaI is just "nah." My conf bias also says he's a snake in the grass waiting for the spark to lynch whiskers.

Transcend is literally spamming.

[Whiskers]

axel and IaI make sense together,

also i have no clue why i thought this when i made this post.

[Whiskers]

Why should I buy one setup over the other?

Because oyu were the one who suggested it and argued it.

"why should I believe the thing that I said?"

Why should anybody else believe anything you say?

[Transcend]

HOWDY

[I Am Innocent]

Sauce is doing all this bullshit trying to force the lynch pool down to two (conveniently, he gets to pick and it excludes him), he's trying to drive town like "hey anybody who doesn't lynch in the same direction I do is scum"

IaI is straight up refusing to engage because "2 meny werdz" after posting a page of straight up quoted votecounts with some kind of VCA in completely separate posts. Axel is like "Hey defend this" and IaI is just "nah." My conf bias also says he's a snake in the grass waiting for the spark to lynch whiskers.

Transcend is literally spamming.

Nope I already explained myself to axel and all that he is doing is rehashing his crap thru thesis style posts while avoiding interacting with any other players. It’s a scum tactic to look busy but buy time to see where everybody lands.

Similar to Nero, I like how you vote lucky early during the day but now isn’t in ur top 3. I don’t see town in a lylo situation voting someone so early In the day without being super super confident they are scum. So where did that super super confident scum read go?

[Transcend]

oh hey 2 and a half days left um and i work the next 2 nights um um

[I Am Innocent]

Nero where did ur scum read of axel go?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

[I Am Innocent]

oh hey 2 and a half days left um and i work the next 2 nights um um

I still trust you more than anyone where are you at right now?

[Transcend]

my vote is probably going to land on either sauce or whiskers for today

sauce has not impressed me at all today and whiskers... well yeah.

[Transcend]

would prob compromise on lucky, will not vote anyone else.

[I Am Innocent]

Of the three I think I’d lean sauce most.

I still want Nero’s response before I vote tho.

[Transcend]

i'm thinking that as well

i'm scared about whiskers being the person that mafia want me to lynch or smt like that

[Transcend]

no one has really PUSHED sauce even though i can't think of one person that doesn't have him in their fos pool

there's been pushes towards everyone else

[Nero Cain]

@Nero could you link the 4.6 ratio'd setups you're talking about?

I mean, 3 scum in 17 players seems like a common setup. That's a 4.6 ratio.

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72542-Was a 17 player with a 13/4 split but that's still 4.25 ratio.

then there's viewtopic.php?f=55&t=71353 which is also a 13/4 split.

So far all I've learned is Frogger is a shit mod.

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=69936 is a 17 player with a 3/2/12 split.

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=68819 is 16 players with a 3/13 split and a 4.3 ratio.

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=69654 this one is a 4 in a 17 though. So I guess this is a point for the 4/14 argument. It's a 4.25 ratio.

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=67016 is 4/14 split.

I'm getting tired so maybe all the 14/3 games are older but all those other games have more town power. A 4/14 with a low town power still seems like it is iffy to me.

[Transcend]

you gotta remember tho dayvig and the 2 masons are all 3 IC's essentially

that's 3 people mafia cannot lynch

[Nero Cain]

Sadly mafia don't really need to achieve a mislynch if there are still 3 left. Therefore we need to regard anyone who fails to be constructive in consolidating a lynch as mafia and not hesitate to vote there.

part of me likes this but part of me could see this as manipulation on his part.

yeah probably. lynch her and see if she flips red.

if my girlfriend is scummy for changing her mind why are you not hardcore scum reading me?

Why should I buy one setup over the other?

Because oyu were the one who suggested it and argued it.

"why should I believe the thing that I said?"

Why should anybody else believe anything you say?

Sometimes it feels like you just argue for the sake of arguing.

Nero where did ur scum read of axel go?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

What part of "I'm flip flopping more than Mitt Romey in '12" do you not get? Do you really think that asking someone that's flip-flopping on their reads on

EVERYONE

is actually a constructive question? I don't and it's not.

I still trust you more than anyone where are you at right now?

Why do you trust him so much when he's town reading both of your biggest scumreads?

[Transcend]

regardless, setup spec needs to fucking end as DL is approaching and it might be lylo.

we need to treat this like lylo even if it may or may not be