Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Toto]

There is no way you can spin "discredit anyone calling me scum and I'm not going to do anything about the shitty gamestate" as a pro-town behavior.

right, i'm supposed to somehow fix everyone's posting habits???

what the fuck are you even talking about

You engage other people about reads, explain why you scumread/townread someone.

You need to play a Newbie game or something so you understand these concepts or?

Yeah, please explain reads.

This is to everyone here btw. Without this we lose the ability to judge whether said reads are believable or not.

Newbie refresher:


1) do they have reads?
2) do they look like real reads?
3) are they changing their reads based on new information?
4) are they pushing their reads in a believable way?

This is how you mafia and you are all failing at it. We are going to get owned if you guys dont stop shitposting.

I already gave you more explanations for my reads than I have seen from any of you after 90 pages. Please return the favor.

I know you guys have big egos but the current interactions are doing very little to help sort people out.

Desperado. Who is your top scum/town read and why? Please explain in as much detail as possible.

You complain about the game state which i sympathize with but you are not doing anything differently.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Just vote Group C Toto.

[checkersman7]

he already is from when I was a 'scumread'

[Toto]

Yes, and you were.

Fwiw I didnt read you clarified your question when I replaced in and it sounded like a trick question. Also read the game and you have been the most active and been very agressive so Im mostly fine with it for now.

This is not a hard townread, btw. I still have a hard time following your reasoning and your pushes. But im fine to drop the issue. If you are town try to give better explanations for your reads. You dont catch scum with stupid questions.

[checkersman7]

I can't have a partner cause I'm town, what's a secret agent though?

[Toto]

Toto your partner claimed secret agent is that correct?

[checkersman7]

Welcome to Surreptitious II: Secrecy and Misdirection

You are Town Secret Agent aligned with Town.

During the Night, your abilities are conditional.
If there are 7 or more players in your Group, you can target a player at Night and receive a list of players who performed an action on a player and a list of players who were targeted by that player, but not what the actions were. Essentially, you both Track and Watch your target.
If there are 5-6 players in your Group, you can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor. The roles which have guns are Mafia Goons and Town Power Roles.
If there is 4 or fewer players in your Group, you can determine, in some sense, whether a player has an ability that can kill another player. You will get a Guilty if targeting a Goon who can kill but doesn't on that night.

You win when all the Mafia have been eliminated and there is at least 1 Town member left alive.

Game thread is Here [Link].

[checkersman7]

Welcome to Surreptitious II: Secrecy and Misdirection

You are Mafia Secret Agent aligned with Mafia.

During the Night, your abilities are conditional.
If there are 7 or more players in your Group, you can choose one player per Night to block from performing his or her night action.
If there are 5-6 players in your Group, you can choose one player per Night to block from performing his or her night action and also stop all other Night actions from affecting them in any way simultaneously.
If there are 4 or fewer players in your Group, you can cause that target to investigate as the exact opposite of what they would have been. If you target the target of the Town Power Role that has 7 or more people in that group, then the results of that Town Power Role get interchanged with each other. Players who the PR's target targeted will be seen as targeting the PR's target, and vice versa (essentially swapping the Tracker results and the Watcher results).

You win when all the Town have been eliminated from a single Group or nothing can prevent this and there is at least 1 Mafia member left alive.

Game thread is Here [Link].

[Toto]

I fail to follow your logic

[checkersman7]

what's a secret agent though?

[checkersman7]

I fail

[Toto]

I had not read the all the rules. Im not sure what is your point

[Toto]

Your question is sort of role fishy now that I think about it

[checkersman7]

Your question is sort of role fishy now that I think about it

why is this thinking just now

does a town player come in see a question that makes no sense and jus ignore it

[Toto]

I didnt? I voted you for it. Except I misread the question

[checkersman7]

when did you realize secret agent was a role in the game

and why am I guiding you through a process that should be obvious to a town player

[Toto]

When I was looking at what happened to prs and why were not voting group b. Some time after that exchange.

What thouht process did I fail to follow? I already explain why I voted you and why I changed my mind in more words that yoi have used to describe your scum read of my slot. What part of it is not satisfactory?

[checkersman7]

My question to you is pretty fuckin scummy because it risks outing a PR on a replace ins understanding of game rules.

So you outted yourself as not PR without realizing it, attacked me for pushing you for different reasons, then realized the setup then didn't think back on that then mildly townread me and only now realized hurrr checkersman7 is a danged rolefisher is that about how it went down ?

[checkersman7]

where's the town thought process in any of your actions my dude

[Toto]

Yes, more or less. And where is the scum thought process in any of my actions because Im pretty sure im town

[checkersman7]

I think you're goon didn't read the setup wanted to push back hard then realized I'm a bad push for scum to make so changed your read and didn't want to reopen the can by calling me on the fishing, because that woudknt go with the new appeasement strategy.

your turn

[Ramcius]

Yes, more or less. And where is the scum thought process in any of my actions because Im pretty sure im town

you pretty sure you are town?

[Toto]

Im a vt who had not read the game or setup, realized you were asking scummy questions pushed you for it, went and read the game realized you were not as scummy as I originally thought, found transcend to be more scummy than I originally thought, re read our exchage, realized there was a more plausible town motivation for your question. Tried to make piece, realized the full implications of your question.

Now here is a question for you. Why didnt you clarify the question when I answered the wrong one?

[checkersman7]

Toto your partner claimed secret agent is that correct?

predecessor*

I can't have a partner cause I'm town, what's a secret agent though?

Everyone whose anyone

you're just mad I caught you with the ole 'ur predecessor' trick

I'm not mad though. You asked me a tricky question that no one could answer in not an uncomfortable way and you are trying to get me mislynched for it. Scum are know for making big deals out of small things -- it's an olde scum trick.

I see your ISO has shitload of posts with not a single one with a decent case on it, or a single town tell (to be fair I have not read all of them yet, hence my question).

Come, 1v1 me.

I mean what tho?

[Creature]

Ugh, you didn't need to claim.