Open 700: Donner Party - ENDGAME

[northsidegal]

i'm going to take this pagetop to reiterate that as long as we lynch scum today (and not pm), we should have this game won.

the mafia and the serial killer are forced into a prisoner's dilemna scenario - each either shoots town or shoots the other. the one who chooses to defect and shoot the other is the only one who survives and has a chance at winning the game - their only choice really is to shoot the other cannibal, otherwise they run the risk of dying themselves for a guaranteed loss.

even if both choose to defect, neither still wins - the townie left in the 1/1/1 situation should let the day end in a no-lynch, where again both are forced to shoot each other during the night. (if scum, for whatever reason, chose to shoot the townie, that would be conceding the game to the other scum who chose to shoot them.)

we have this game won, i'm sure of it, and i actually really love how it's all worked out. we were in a pretty bad spot coming into today and even without any cannibal flips, having lynched town two days in a row and with our dietician dead, we can still pull it off.

[northsidegal]

VOTE: math

eagerly awaiting other people's comments on this.

we're going to need everyone alive who isn't mafia to vote on this - i need everyone to understand and be okay with it.

[Assemblerotws]

VOTE: Mathblade
Fitz, it's on your shoulders tonight. Don't let us down.

[MathBlade]

Just got home fml

Gut is north and assemblr if Fitz and not Mafia are Town.

Will catch up after dinner fml.

[MathBlade]

i'm going to take this pagetop to reiterate that as long as we lynch scum today (and not pm), we should have this game won.

the mafia and the serial killer are forced into a prisoner's dilemna scenario - each either shoots town or shoots the other. the one who chooses to defect and shoot the other is the only one who survives and has a chance at winning the game - their only choice really is to shoot the other cannibal, otherwise they run the risk of dying themselves for a guaranteed loss.

even if both choose to defect, neither still wins - the townie left in the 1/1/1 situation should let the day end in a no-lynch, where again both are forced to shoot each other during the night. (if scum, for whatever reason, chose to shoot the townie, that would be conceding the game to the other scum who chose to shoot them.)

we have this game won, i'm sure of it, and i actually really love how it's all worked out. we were in a pretty bad spot coming into today and even without any cannibal flips, having lynched town two days in a row and with our dietician dead, we can still pull it off.

You need SO MUCH ROPE

[MathBlade]

okay, i'm just gonna start talking because if i start worrying too much about being concise or formatting then i'll never post anything.

it's certainly a possibility that both scum and the sk shot porkens and the roleblock isn't necessarily a guilty. what

is

a guilty for me, though, was math's reaction. i feel like a townie in this situation would have pushed that point a lot; as it was, this was math's reaction:

PM Fitz assemblr boom done:

Wrong. I'm the roleblocker.

I blocked Goedel N1 and you (MB) N2.

You're scum

Wrong I am Town and Not Mafia already crumbed assembler scum. Try harder.

SK by setup has one shot night proof.

D'oh. Correct.

Hi probTown.

Got a read wall?

amTown
NSG
Porkens
Not_Mafia
Math
Goedel/PM/Assembler

Porkens could be sk or scum that hit vig and stole role but doubtful as he'll probably be sorted tonight if legit.

Really think 2 scum and sk are in bottom 4 listed. Unless fingers crossed one of the nks hit scum.

Wrong FYI Fitz isn't the roleblocker or he'd have blocked assemblr or PM.

...

This is bullshit.

I am Town Fitz is scum.

We should lynch claimed scum today.

This isn't hard.

Like mafia 101
Never trust a fucking guilty in lylo because it is fucking fake.

trying to attack your credibility, desperately trying to get the lynch in that we know wins scum the game. math doesn't seem to care about clearing up a misconception, all he cares about is getting the lynch through, any way possible. town in this situation would want to sort things out - i don't see that anywhere.

wow, i started this post with still some suspicion that i could be wrong on math scum and i'm ending it absolutely confident that i'm right.

lol I have been AT WORK.

There is no misconception to clear up you are just wrong there is no dilemma.

Scum will never in any world shoot the SK period.

[MathBlade]

Like Fitz thinks I am guilty because he blocked a VT congratufuckinglations.

Now I am eating dinner.

Peace out.

[northsidegal]

lol I have been AT WORK.

There is no misconception to clear up you are just wrong there is no dilemma.

Scum will never in any world shoot the SK period.

i never criticized you anywhere for your activity.

what do you call fitz's statement that he blocked you and you're scum, then? i mean, if you were actually a vt who got blocked, why didn't you push that point more?

if scum don't shoot the serial killer they are guaranteed to lose - i'm not sure why you keep pushing this point. even more, what do you suggest as our alternative? like, it's all but confirmed that we have 2 scum still alive - trying to fit the nightkills such that there's only one scum alive now leads to nonsensical conclusions.

[Not_Mafia]

north and assembler are scum together and not even trying to hide it

[northsidegal]

You need SO MUCH ROPE

also, i usually don't like it when people say this about themselves, but i'm obvious town right now. if we lynch pm and two scum are alive (a certainty), then town loses. why would i make that point clear instead of just pushing for the serial killers lynch, like you've been doing?

by the way, i'm hesitating a bit before voting pm. i think it's safe to assume now that pm is the serial killer, but let's say we lynch him today. if we're in the unfortunate scenario where 2 scum are still alive, that puts us at 3/2/1 for today. lynching to go into the night with 3/2 ends up losing us the game. if the dietician is still alive then i think we need results outed.

why do i try to get pm to reveal more information for us before his lynch if i'm scum? if i'm scum i win the game just by lynching him.

by the way, pmysterious - you should really just claim and tell us who you've killed and what their alignment / roles were. it's your only chance at winning this game - lie and you're lynched anyways, tell the truth and we may end up lynching scum instead of you today.

what's your case on me? i'm not the one pushing the lynch that loses town the game.

[northsidegal]

north and assembler are scum together and not even trying to hide it

i have three possibilities for the scumteam right now, in order of confidence:
math/assemble
math/nm
asssemble/nm

assemble's willingness to go along in 977 gave me serious pause but i'm still confident in this lynch.

anything else to say?

[Not_Mafia]

assembler's scum

[northsidegal]

i believe you.

[Not_Mafia]

Because you're his partner

[northsidegal]

Because you're his partner

why would i do any of the things that i've mentioned as scum?

even if you believe that i'm trying to get a mislynch on math to win the game -

even if you believe that

- scum still don't win unless pm also shoots a townie. if i was scum i'd be trying to get the serial killer lynched, instantly winning the game for scum (just like math is doing).

[Not_Mafia]

assembler is scum

[MathBlade]

lol I have been AT WORK.

There is no misconception to clear up you are just wrong there is no dilemma.

Scum will never in any world shoot the SK period.

i never criticized you anywhere for your activity.

what do you call fitz's statement that he blocked you and you're scum, then? i mean, if you were actually a vt who got blocked, why didn't you push that point more?

if scum don't shoot the serial killer they are guaranteed to lose - i'm not sure why you keep pushing this point. even more, what do you suggest as our alternative? like, it's all but confirmed that we have 2 scum still alive - trying to fit the nightkills such that there's only one scum alive now leads to nonsensical conclusions.

This is a lie. You said I'm not clearing up the misconception (again I reiterate there isn't one). I hadn't posted since I had gone to work. This means this "misconception" I hadn't have addressed had to have occurred when I wasn't posting as it sure as hell wasn't brought up when I was.

I already addressed it. Scum is one of two teams Fitz and NM or you and Assembler. I already said he had a bad "guilty" but he's expressed intent no matter what I say or do he's voting me. So I'm just doing what I can with a game that's pretty much lost.

If scum don't shoot the serial killer they are guaranteed the win. Like this is obvious. I already explained it. I'm not going around in circles with you on this when you're absolutely stuck in your ways.

Trying to fit the night kills with one scum dead works IF Porkens is a liar which scum wouldn't CC as that is stupid.

I'm telling you both mafia and the SK shot Porkens. When I flip town because of the "guilty" this will become clear.

[PMysterious]

I'm all in for a Math lynch. I see him as Scum.

VOTE: Math L -1, Fitz, this is your hammer.

[northsidegal]

This is a lie. You said I'm not clearing up the misconception (again I reiterate there isn't one). I hadn't posted since I had gone to work. This means this "misconception" I hadn't have addressed had to have occurred when I wasn't posting as it sure as hell wasn't brought up when I was.

the "misconception" i was referring to was fitz's "guilty" on you due to the roleblock. that wasn't anything new, that was something you had a chance to respond to. what i'm saying is that you didn't take your chance when you had it. if you think that i'm accusing you for not responding when you didn't have the chance to, you're misinterpreting what i'm saying - that's just a fact.

If scum don't shoot the serial killer they are guaranteed the win. Like this is obvious. I already explained it. I'm not going around in circles with you on this when you're absolutely stuck in your ways.

you're just flat out wrong here - let's say scum shoot town and the serial killer shoots scum. how are scum "guaranteed the win" in that situation? i bet your response to this will be along the lines of "the serial killer wouldn't shoot scum". you can't make conclusive statements like this while disregarding the scenarios that disprove you.

Trying to fit the night kills with one scum dead works IF Porkens is a liar which scum wouldn't CC as that is stupid.

I'm telling you both mafia and the SK shot Porkens. When I flip town because of the "guilty" this will become clear.

why would porkens lie? like i said, believing that only one scum is alive requires believing nonsensical realities. it doesn't make sense.

[MathBlade]

I'm all in for a Math lynch. I see him as Scum.

VOTE: Math L -1, Fitz, this is your hammer.

Them please.

It's the least you can do if you're gonna blatantly scumside.

[MathBlade]

SK won't shoot scum.

Not in their interest.

Again you're proposing scum are dumb and then asking me to assume it and I won't.

[havingfitz]

Math...why aren't you scum?

[Assemblerotws]

assembler is scum

Is this seriously all you can say?

[MathBlade]

Math...why aren't you scum?

1) VT role PM
2) Not self hammering
3) My arguments have always been protown

Sorry will do more later I gotta go to work.

[CommKnight]

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