Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Elliberetta]

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^^^

reposting this work of art.

[Bulbazak]

ConManMick (8): Toto, Transcend, Assemblerotws, Ginngie, Elliberetta, InactionDan, Ramcius, checkersman7 [

Lynch!

]

Those on the B wagon at any point d2: Transcend, Ramicus, Desperado, Creature, Momo, Eddie Fenix, Toto

Those on both wagons: {Transcend, Ramicus, Toto}

I'm willing to give Transcend some leeway, because it really did look like he had no idea about the alternate scum wincon, and he got off the B wagon really quickly. Ramicus, however, does not get this. He held firm until it became uncomfortable for him to do so during his interaction with Checkers on the subject. This is especially egregious, given that Ramicus was in the first Surreptitious game, and the scum wincons were the exact same there.

So if we leave Transcend off, that leaves us with: {Ramicus, Toto}

Going to do that one bit of analysis for Majiffy next and then run comparisons.

[Elliberetta]

i don't think that's gonna be v reliable but sure try it out maybe it'll work.

[Bulbazak]

So because you don't understand or get why someone would find a particular mode of analysis useful means it's fake?

1) Wolfs are more likely to

show

how they are trying to solve the game. Because their objective is to

look

like they are scumhunting, rather than actually scumhunting.
2) Objective types of analysis (VCA, NKA, meta, game theory) are MUCH easier to fake effectively because they are.... objective. Doing this requires no lying or personal skills.
3) While these types of analysis are effective as town it is a HUGE red flag when this is the only thing someone is doing because they are avoiding doing the hard stuff to do by scum. Showing town emotions (paranoia, frustration, etc) in a way that looks natural is MUCH harder than spending three pages talking about game theory, or talking about wagon conspiracy theories.

[Bulbazak]

@Elli: I do think that there were some scum that voted Mick yesterday and then tried to push B today. I was interested in where the overlap was.

[Elliberetta]

yeah im not sure either of those assumptions are gonna be correct atm but yeah it's at least interesting

[Elliberetta]

i wasted so much time trying to find a tell for assemble lmao

[Toto]

You have not disproven what I said by showing me a game where you used meta analysis effectively as town. Just wanted to make sure you understood that. That is not how statistics work.

[Bulbazak]

I was surprised Desp wasn't on there, so I went back to look at the VC, and Desp was still sitting on LUV.

[Elliberetta]

You have not disproven what I said by showing me a game where you used meta analysis effectively as town. Just wanted to make sure you understood that. That is not how statistics work.

lol
I'm going to reply to you just this once

I only basically only do 2) from your previous list thing.

and I'm a ~drama queen~ while I do.

[Elliberetta]

bulb - strong townreads elsewhere in the group and past experience

link the past experience plz ty.
no descriptions necessary

[Bulbazak]

So comparing the Majiffy wagon at its height to the Mick wagon. Surprisingly, Majiffy's wagon really didn't get very big, although there was momentum and demand for it for a bit. And if you go back to the VC, you'll see that Momo and Majiffy were, in fact, counterwagons to each other. Whether TvT, TvS, or SvS remains to be seen.

Majiffy (3): Transcend, checkersman7, Creature [L-5]

ConManMick (8): Toto, Transcend, Assemblerotws, Ginngie, Elliberetta, InactionDan, Ramcius, checkersman7 [

Lynch!

]

Names in common: {Transcend, Checkersman7}

All things considered, I'm really not sure this is telling of anything in the long run, since the Majiffy wagon didn't get too big. However, I promised to do it, so here it is.

[Bulbazak]

@Elli: Our most recent games were the ones I listed: 17 Kilos and TBD2. If you want to look at our very first game together, where I was scum and he was town, look at my sig. I can go back and find the last game we played together prior to Desp's break.

[Toto]

I'm going to reply to you just this once

WOW you replied to me! Can I put this on my signature?

[Toto]

ENGAGE WITH ME SO I CAN SEE YOUR TRUE PM COLORS BITCH

[Transcend]

Your vca makes me physically ill

[Elliberetta]

Bulba did you hear something

[Toto]

I'M GOING TO POWER LYNCH YOUR SELF METAING ASS TOMORROW

[Elliberetta]

@Elli: Our most recent games were the ones I listed: 17 Kilos and TBD2. If you want to look at our very first game together, where I was scum and he was town, look at my sig. I can go back and find the last game we played together prior to Desp's break.

i mean im guessing he's discussing youscum vs. himtown yeah?

unless your town game's been different than the those two you just mentioned

you think its been?

[Toto]

In all seriousness Eli, why don't you want to discuss reads with me?

Are you trying to look like we are not talking for some reason?

[Elliberetta]

Your vca makes me physically ill

did we finally learn the cause of your sickness earlier this week

[Bulbazak]

@Elli: Our most recent games were the ones I listed: 17 Kilos and TBD2. If you want to look at our very first game together, where I was scum and he was town, look at my sig. I can go back and find the last game we played together prior to Desp's break.

i mean im guessing he's discussing youscum vs. himtown yeah?

unless your town game's been different than the those two you just mentioned

you think its been?

I just had to look back over my wiki and bookmarked (unposted) games. My last game with him prior to TBD was Playing Card Mafia, where I was scum and he was town. That was back in April 2014, so roughly 3 years ago. My game has gone through a bit of a shift since then, especially my town game. My posting habits are different. My approach to the game is different. And on and on. So when he's trying to justify a scumread based on games played over 3 years ago and nothing else, and especially when he's recently proved that he can't read me given my current playstyle, you can see why I'm calling BS.

[Toto]

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Your tone this game is way different than is this one lolmeta. You actually had... emotions.

[Toto]

Anyway, a lynch for another day.

[Elliberetta]

lmao