Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Toto]

What's funny?

[Bulbazak]

Okay, stepping back to the comparisons, because I said I'd do it. If we compare the lists from the 2 analyses, there are no names in common. Unless, that is, we consider the unfiltered versions. In that case, we are left with only Transcend. However, I'm not ready to go down that rabbit hole, as I think he's actually town here.

That being said, I'd like to lynch either Ramicus or Desperado. Ramicus, because of my scumread of the slot and that his actions have fallen in line with what I predicted scum might do in this situation. Desp, because I don't believe town Desp would actually push that bull crap angle, especially after having not played with me in over 3 years and then having failed to accurately read me in the 2 games we recently had together. Even from that, he would have seen that my approach is different, and that should have caused him to approach me differently in this game. That's not what's happening, and he's trying to soft push as scumread on me without really putting forth the effort in cobbling together any sort of reasoning.

[Bulbazak]

@Elli: I want your thoughts after you go through those games.

[Elliberetta]

I'm prolly not going through them for a while srry.

[Toto]

Ramcus is town

[Elliberetta]

Desp will prolly come back with blahblah why and then I might feel more motivated.

[Toto]

lol

[Bulbazak]

I'm going to watch videos, think, and then come back with my vote.

[Elliberetta]

wanna replace think with drink or do you have work tmrw

[Toto]

Eli, I'll ask nicely:

1) Do you have a reason to avoid engaging me? please be honest.
2) What is your read on my slot?

Thanks in advance,

[Smocaine]

Hi, don't drink and ms.

[Smocaine]

I am assembletrow.

[Elliberetta]

brave man replacing into that slot dude

[Elliberetta]

Eli, I'll ask nicely:

1) Do you have a reason to avoid engaging me? please be honest.
2) What is your read on my slot?

Thanks in advance,

It's funny and I enjoy your reactions.

I've been busy and I'm kinda research intensive so idk.

Like I do have some updates since the last readslist I posted but I don't really feel like making them public until I break the game lol. Or come close.

[Smocaine]

I have super scumhunter Eliberettas in my group though. This should be a cakewalk.

[Toto]

Ok, if you are town, can you please not ignore me on purpose, I don't think it helps solve town conflicts. Unless you think I'm scum, in which case I urge you again to interact with me and help us sort each other.

Also it is not a nice thing to do in general.

[Elliberetta]

I don't interact with scum except to meme either.

I'm going to do what i think is best for me to solve the game lol.

There's a 0% chance i get lynched so I have that ~luxury~.

[Smocaine]

I'll talk to you toto.

1) no
2) null

[Toto]

So, smocaine, we are lynching people in group C, it would be nice if you can try to catch up and tell us who you think is town and scum in that group.

[Toto]

I don't interact with scum except to meme either.

This implies you scum read me. And very strongly. I'd like to know the reasons because I feel I've been obviously town this game.

[Bulbazak]

wanna replace think with drink or do you have work tmrw

I work 3-11 tomorrow. I'm actually going to bed soon, so probably not going to post anything else until I get back to this game at some point during the shift.

VOTE: Ramicus

I've thought about it, and I want this more.

[Elliberetta]

Bulba noooo.
They're so town dude.

[Elliberetta]

Desp sorry for shitting up the thread.

Most relevant thing is bulba thinks you're bs'ing when you say you're scumreading him because of meta and he cited some games.

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

Spoiler: Mikan/Ramci Scumcase

Here's our first interaction. Which... they ignored.

This catchup is terrible

Go on

So I repeated myself.

This catchup is terrible

Go on

And they reply with a smokescreen non-answer.

This catchup is terrible

Go on

You do nothing that is anything remotely town in it. You just say a lot of stuff that's already been said, you're not adding anything new. it just reads scum to me alright? I'm sorry, run over me with your rocket league cars!

Then there's me calling out their reads - and lack of any explanations for any of them in their ISO

[reads list]

Seeing an awful lot of scum reads and an awful little reasoning in your post history.

Which... they ignored. Sensing a pattern? I am.

Oh yeah other fun fact about that post; they openly suggest to another player that they

contribute less

. While

simultaneously complaining that their contributions weren't enough

. You can't scream cogdis any louder.

Then Mikan goes from scumreading me to "trusting Rach Majiffy can be town" to "tring Majiffy" to "Majiffy is just really, really bad town" which is a read that progressed congruently with interest in my lynch.

And let me tell you all the times I've seen "this person scumreading me is just really bad town" from scumbos. Hint: it's a lot.

-~replacement~-

we can lynch Desperado, so he don't have to read this thread

?

i've read the thread

did you just misunderstand what i said or...?

how about making some efforts to find scums?

This is cute because Ramci has done nothing but argue theory and place empty votes since his replace-in.

In fact, I think as of this post, they haven't pushed a single read for town or scum.

i kindly ask you do not judge my slot by Ali action as i can't defend against what he did/said or whatever else you find AI, thx for understanding

And this is garbage but it's probably NAI garbage.

Previous slot owners are 100% game because

alignments don't change with replacements.

Then there's this series of events

Hey Ramcius, I haven't seen you doing much lately.

It's cuz he's scum

Gut says Desp town, probably go for Von tbh

Majiffy, i almost have more posts than you and i replaced in, so if that's your only "scumtell" on me, i pitty you, really

Which is great on just so many levels. His response to "You aren't doing much" - clearly an aim at content, not posts - is to strike at the second person calling him out by comparing how much they can hit the submit button?

So then I call him out for it. And he asks me for a case

Do you townread Desp?

Weakly. I could make a towncase when I get home if you want.

Gut says Desp town, probably go for Von tbh

Majiffy, i almost have more posts than you and i replaced in, so if that's your only "scumtell" on me, i pitty you, really

Quality over quantity, mate.

And that's not the only reason I'm scumreading you. Or the previous occupant of your slot. Not by a long shot.

If you have something against me, you should say it, cause i'm not getting lynched. Show your "quality"

What is it with all you terrible players insisting you can't be lynched?

reading isn't your thing, eh? I said i'm not getting lynched, i didn't said i can't be lynched, i will explain difference to you - it's possible to lynch me, but there quite few people who think i'm scum and quite a lot, who think someone else is scum in my group, so by simple logic we can deduce that it's more likely someone else will be lynched. Hope that's clear enough for you

And this word salad

Which brings us to

i still waiting your "quality" post about why i'm scum btw

Less than an hour

after asking me for a case he's showboating.

Self-conscious as fuck scumbo.

There you go Ramci.

is that all you got?

first, yes alignment don't change, but people sometimes are bad, or how else MLs happens? And that goes both ways - for my pred being bad and looking scummy (which reasonable, Ali got MLed recently in fortnight, a game, where town had only 1 lynch, so stakes were really high) or you are bad, maybe biased like Trans, or, you know, you just rolled scum.

Well, you had time to shitpost, so i pointed to yours "quality over quantity"

[Ramcius]

ConManMick (8): Toto, Transcend, Assemblerotws, Ginngie, Elliberetta, InactionDan, Ramcius, checkersman7 [

Lynch!

]

Those on the B wagon at any point d2: Transcend, Ramicus, Desperado, Creature, Momo, Eddie Fenix, Toto

Those on both wagons: {Transcend, Ramicus, Toto}

I'm willing to give Transcend some leeway, because it really did look like he had no idea about the alternate scum wincon, and he got off the B wagon really quickly. Ramicus, however, does not get this. He held firm until it became uncomfortable for him to do so during his interaction with Checkers on the subject. This is especially egregious, given that Ramicus was in the first Surreptitious game, and the scum wincons were the exact same there.

So if we leave Transcend off, that leaves us with: {Ramicus, Toto}

Going to do that one bit of analysis for Majiffy next and then run comparisons.

i suggest you to look at first game before make such conclusions - setup was different, but i like how hard you holding onto me, i admire your passion