Mini 1953: XP Mafia (Game Over)

[gerryoat]

yes im stealing your game

[Maki Harukawa]

Spoiler:

um...I feel like fitz has tried to solve the game much more then vax has although my 1 worry was why does last scum vax try to bus if you're town it'd be hard to show you a scum vax story it's just what I believe we can take this to deadline and I die if you wish but dw if this game is lost I mostly take all the blame so

Spoiler:

...whatever

[mastina]

fitz could be fooling me and they put in a lot of effort if so and good on them if that's the case

I mean.
Strictly speaking.
If scum lack the XP to kill tonight for whatever reason, and/or lack the ability to redirect tonight for whatever reason.

Then scumteams ruled out from not hammering aren't actually ruled out since they have knowledge the town does not. (I.e., hammering wouldn't guarantee a win.)

But that's strictly speaking. As a technicality.

Realistically. It's just Vaxkiller and gerryoat.

[mastina]

(For instance, a rather realistic way for them to be unable to win the game: upon a mislynch, if they have to choose between a redirect and a kill, then if they choose the wrong one, they don't get the desired outcome. In short, Maki vigging scum with scum killing produces a gamestate where scum die and thus don't instawin. Maki holstering with scum redirecting and NOT killing produces a gamestate where tomorrow dawns with five alive and no bodies. Since scum don't know what Maki will do--and Maki, you absolutely shouldn't say what you'll do--they would have no way of knowing. The only way a mislynch is a surefire win is if they can BOTH redirect AND kill. But it ultimately doesn't matter. My reasons for thinking Vaxkiller and gerryoat are scum are independent of their votes today. That vice-versa isn't so should be a clue tho.)

[gerryoat]

uggghhh. I'll think on it. I'l be back in like 3 hours.

[gerryoat]

The more Mastina talks, the more I don't wanna vote Vax tho lol

[havingfitz]

I guess me & Vax on a team could technically be on the table still.

No shit.

[mastina]

Btw. I don't want to too terribly rush you, but:

(expired on 2017-12-04 03:00:00)

We have just a little over two days until deadline.

That does give us

some

time.
Some.

But it doesn't give enough.

I can write a contingency plan for what happens if we no-lynch (basically it involves Maki holstering the vig shot as a precaution and training, with us doing the best efforts to coordinate actions between Screenplay and I with Vaxkiller/havingfitz/gerryoat all being held accountable for actions), but I'm not optimistic I can make a lock-tight plan. My fear is that EITHER:
-Scum kill bringing us to lylo with us having less-than-ideal results...
OR:
-Scum don't kill, but shut the strategy down without any loss and even potentially gain.

A no-lynch PROBABLY won't be the end of the world.
But a no-lynch certainly isn't what we want. I can only make so much lemonade from the smallest of a singular lemon.

A scum lynch would just be better in every way.
And we are running out of time.

We do have SOME time left.
Some.

But we don't have much. It's the zone where we're not panicking, but where some caution is needed. Where we need to be aware of it, where we need to have it in our minds, if not in the forefront then at least in the back of our heads. There isn't much time left to talk. There's just enough for Screenplay to come in and stop being a moron, essentially.

[Srceenplay]

UNVOTE:
Later I’ll think. Who’s the hold out?

[mastina]

Who’s the hold out?

You. You're not voting Vaxkiller. That's what we need to end the day.

[Srceenplay]

It'd have to be exactly vax gerry....hmmmm

Why not Mastina and fitz?

[mastina]

It'd have to be exactly vax gerry....hmmmm

Why not Mastina and fitz?

For a start?

havingfitz began the day in mylo bussing me, and vice-versa too.

I am many things.

A cross-busser in mylo is not one of them.

[Maki Harukawa]

It'd have to be exactly vax gerry....hmmmm

Why not Mastina and fitz?

Do you think that's the case?

[mastina]

(So I had a "cross the streams" where I mixed two different trains of thoughts--"That would require havingfitz beginning the day bussing me" with "havingfitz 'bussed' me'". As in, I took half from one and half from the other. Mostly the latter, but a bit from the former in that I didn't put the quotation marks I meant to around bussing, but you should get the idea.
Why not mastina-havingfitz?
havingfitz began the day in mylo "bussing" me, and vice-versa.
For us to be scum, havingfitz would need to have began the day in mylo bussing me, and vice-versa.
Regardless of which wording you use, same end result. I am many things, but a cross-busser is not among them. And yes. As scum I am going to be the mastermind who plans out what scum do. Meaning that I absolutely would be the one who would plan things out in a havingfitz-mastina scumteam and bussing in mylo is something I would never abide by.)

[Srceenplay]

It'd have to be exactly vax gerry....hmmmm

Why not Mastina and fitz?

Do you think that's the case?

I don’t know. I think it’s highly possible.
I also think it’s probable for scum to have a block of town has a vig cop and block and tracker.

I do agree that Mastina and fitz are both playing better than the rest as of now. I kinda feel like voting with them just because that.
But
All that town power against scum.

[Srceenplay]

Second thought, I suppose a redirect is a counter as well.

[Maki Harukawa]

It'd have to be exactly vax gerry....hmmmm

Why not Mastina and fitz?

Do you think that's the case?

I don’t know. I think it’s highly possible.
I also think it’s probable for scum to have a block of town has a vig cop and block and tracker.

I do agree that Mastina and fitz are both playing better than the rest as of now. I kinda feel like voting with them just because that.
But
All that town power against scum.

That's a big thought for me too gerry was vanilla to start also so I'm like...hm

[mastina]

I do agree that Mastina and fitz are both playing better than the rest as of now.

Play > role. 100% of the time.
It's my guiding philosophy as a player as both alignments frankly. (Like I said, I don't tell flagrantly false lies as scum. That'd be emphasizing role.)

[mastina]

That's a big thought for me too gerry was vanilla to start also so I'm like...hm

This is why it's better to lynch Vaxkiller.
gerryoat COULD have upgraded into a redirector in spite of starting vanilla.
Could.

More likely is that Vaxkiller the player we haven't fucking confirmed is the redirector.
So.

[gerryoat]

I couldn't have upgraded until now. Based on the blocks on me. Are you forgetting that, Mastina?

[gerryoat]

I'm confirmed not a redirector if there is one.

[Vaxkiller]

Maki.

Mastina is using you.

[Vaxkiller]

Vax's upgrade is a pretty good excuse for mastina's rbing the kill compared to a "bp" because a vax kill makes no sense ever

I think I stomped all over her "guilty" a day early, and she has bee ready wit this redirector nonsense.

[Vaxkiller]

Vax's upgrade is a pretty good excuse for mastina's rbing the kill compared to a "bp" because a vax kill makes no sense ever

Yes THis is so true, so why didnt mastina PRESS THE ISSUE?

[gerryoat]

Eh, I thought about it. At this point I don't think Maki is changing her mind and she's confirmed town to me so. idk. Vax what makes you town over fitz?