2017 NFL Football

[PJ.]

Also, Wilson should definitely be MVP and I think that him not being WIDELY discussed as the runaway leader for the award is insane

[shaft.ed]

agreed

their whole offense was basically Wilson runs around until Philly DB commits a penalty

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Sorry Panzer.

Brady got MVP locked.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Wilson does has the best narrative and momentum going into this final stretch though. If he keeps putting on a show as the Hawks streak into the playoffs then I really do think he takes it, even if Brady has better numbers on the year. With the MVP race, it’s usually about peaking at the right time and Wilson is getting really hot when it counts.

[Thestatusquo]

I'm sorry, but by literally any metric Brady hasn't just had a better season than Wilson, he's had a MUCH better season than Wilson.

[Thestatusquo]

And I fucking hate Tom Brady.

[PJ.]

Brady has better numbers on the year.

I was hoping someone would say something stupid like this, because it's 100% not true and I brought stats. Wilson is putting up historic numbers. He is currently breaking the NFL record for percentage of yards accrued by a single player in an offense with 85.7 percent. That means for every 10 yards the Seahawks have gained this year, Wilson is responsible for almost 8.6 of them. If you prorate his current stats to 16 games, he'll have over 4300 passing yards and over 500 rushing yards. Do you know how many players have broken those 2 threshholds in the same year? None. He'd literally be the only one. If he breaks just 4000 passing yards and 500 rushing yards, he'll be the 3rd player ever. And it's not like he only has counting statistics, he's well above average in every advanced passing statistic. And he's doing this without the help of his offensive line, which is 26th in pass blocking and 29th in run blocking. He's also the leading rusher on his team.

Brady, by comparison, is the best QB on the best team. His advanced metrics are higher but not overly so and if you prorate his passing yards(the only way he contributes) to 16 games, he won't even break the top 15 all time. He's also not going to be putting up historic TD numbers. He's simply a good QB on a good team.

Wentz basically the same but worse.

WILSON IS LITERALLY HAVING THE BEST INDIVIDUAL SEASON OF FOOTBALL EVER. He's basically having a friendly, football version of Russell Westbrook's 2016-2017 season. Wilson should be the MVP, and it's not close.

[Thestatusquo]

He is currently breaking the NFL record for percentage of yards accrued by a single player in an offense with 85.7 percent.

This is a meaningless stat. Who cares what % of the offense someone is if the offense is worse? If I'm 100% of an offense that puts up 200 yards per game thats worse than being 80% of an offense that puts up 500 yards per game.

he's well above average in every advanced passing statistic.

By rate plus, which takes into account all of the players advanced stats as well as the quality of the rest of their offense, and then normalizes it to 100 as average, Wilson has 108, which is 8% better than league average. Brady by contrast is 127. It's not even close, bruh. This stat takes into account the thing you're talking about. Saying hes not the best this year is tremendous ignorance. By AY/A Brady is almost 2 fucking full yards better than wilson. It's not even close. 6.5 is not "well above average" in AY/A.

He's also the leading rusher on his team.

Yes, because the hawks have gone through roughly 400 rbs this year. If you add up the output of all his RBs they've had over a 1000 yard season.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Bro I get all that. I really do. However for me and a lot of fans around the league, it’s simply just impossible to ignore Brady still sitting on God-tier efficiency while still putting up the volume numbers of his two peers here. Those two things simply aren't supposed to pair together, but when they rarely do it almost always results in that player walking away with the award at the end of the year.

[PJ.]

It's not a meaningless stat. It means he's the most valuable person on any team in the history of the nfl. He does it 100% alone.

[shaft.ed]

it's a shame "Most Valuable Player" doesn't really mean what the title means

[Thestatusquo]

Like I said, I fucking hate tom brady, But theres literally no way you can ignore the fact that he's been roughly 15-20% better than wilson at PRETTY MUCH EVERY METRIC.

It's not a meaningless stat. It means he's the most valuable person on any team in the history of the nfl. He does it 100% alone.

Again, being 100% of an offense that is overall worse is not as impressive as being 80% of an offense that is a lot better. Brady has been so much better that the fact that we're having this conversation is absurd.

[Thestatusquo]

Fun fact, did you know that Seahawks RBs actually have more yards on the year than Patriots RBs?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It really comes down to how you view the award:

A.) The MVP is the best QB or RB in the league according to statistics and/or winning percentage.

If this is the theory you subscribe to, then of course Tom Brady is the only answer.

B.) The MVP is the player who's team would see the sharpest decline if you removed them from the equation.

If this is how you would describe the award, it would be very difficult not to give it to Russell Wilson. An extremely efficient stat line coupled with the fact that without him, SEA would only have 4 or 5 wins.

[Thestatusquo]

Thing is, the MVP has almost never been given out using criteria B.

[PJ.]

did you know that Seahawk

And Wilson still provides a larger percentage of yards then brady, zzzz

[Thestatusquo]

did you know that Seahawk

And Wilson still provides a larger percentage of yards then brady, zzzz

Who cares? The Seahawks are a slightly above average offense. The patriots are the best offense in the league by a wide margin.

Your arguments are disingenuous.

You say that Wilson is a higher share of the offense. I say that is misleading because the patriots offense is much better.

You say that Wilson is his teams leading rusher. This shows not that Wilson has been remarkable, but rather that hawks RBs have been injured. Wilson has had a stronger running game than Brady by total yards.

You say that Wilson is "well above average in all advanced metrics." He's not. Hes been roughly 8% better than league average. Brady has been 27% better than league average. Wilson's A/YA has been pedestrian at best. He's actually been BELOW average at completion%+.

You don't have an argument dude. Just because you like Russell Wilson does not mean he's had a better season that Tom Brady. Just because the rest of the Hawks have been dogshit does not mean Wilson has had a better season than brady.

[shaft.ed]

i would like to see Brady play behind the Seattle O-line though
just for shits and giggles

either way youre going to get a butthurt fanbase, so its a win win

[PJ.]

My argument was never that he was playing better than Brady(or at least it never should of been). I don't think I said that, and if I did, I misspoke. My argument is Brady is having a season that isn't great for a passing only Quarterback. Russell Wilson is on pace to literally have the greatest dual threat season ever. Wilson's season is historic. Brady's isn't.

[PJ.]

Also, did I mention that Wilson's average play has looked like this and Brady's average play looks like the first play of this highlight

[Thestatusquo]

Literally the dumbest argument you have ever made is attempting to prove a general point about the course of play over an entire year by citing 2 plays.

[PJ.]

probably. But like..Watch the games bro. Every play Wilson is in looks like that. Brady's O-line at least plays football.

[PJ.]

Also that's a strawman on the actual point. Wilson's season is actually historic. Brady's is not. It's not even memorable. he's gonna finish like 17th all time in yards in a season and not break 40 TDS. That's like...an average Drew Brees season.

[Elias_the_thief]

Hi I'm just here to rejoice in the firing of Ben and Jerry.

[PJ.]

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