Newbie 1839: Game over

[GuiltyLion]

Well looks like I might be wrong about Junko, that's a good post

VOTE: 3 Masons

If Junko is town, 36 looks worse. It feels awkward and the "you're drawing too much attention to yourself" comment only makes sense if 3 Masons thinks (or perhaps knows) that Junko is town

[3 Masons in a Trenchcoat]

3.What's your read on Redflavor?

He was fine until he went full R with this line:

And I think lionGuilty was bussing their friend so junko is other scum

which contradicts his previous post:

Yes I really think you are scum trying to find a reason to vote junko

VOTE: GuiltyLion

so which one is it? a scum looking for a reason to bw a townie? or a scum busing his partner?

he also brings the wifom possibility, I believe the odds of one of you being mafia is worth looking into.

@GuiltyLion I still don't know how I feel about you town reading the person who townread you but I'm also leaning towards townreading Hewhoswims.

I agree with Junko here. Redflavor seems like a strong scumread with his actions. Alongside that, there's the fact that he brought up the BP reveal out of nowhere. A BP reveal seems like a bad idea for the town in a game like this. The BP reveal would benefit the mafia, as Junko and HeWhoSwims explained earlier, so I think that he's scum.

Also, to use his own logic from Post 39, isn't it possible that Red is a scum trying to start a bandwagon against a townie? Or perhaps by Post 42 logic, Red is bussing GuiltyScumLion. Either way, I have my vote.

VOTE: RedFlavor

Well looks like I might be wrong about Junko, that's a good post

VOTE: 3 Masons

If Junko is town, 36 looks worse. It feels awkward and the "you're drawing too much attention to yourself" comment only makes sense if 3 Masons thinks (or perhaps knows) that Junko is town

Well, you're not wrong. I believe Junko is town. I believe you're town as well. Both of you are discussing the benefits of options from the town perspective in your arguments. Redflavor is focused only on who gets lynched, and not whether thay would be good for the town. He's scum and already knows who he is going to lynch. If this were D2 or beyond, then I would understand having someone you're targeting without discussion. The first night could give you information, especially if you're the cop. Unfortunately, Wavemode's Day Cops don't exist. Therefore, Redflavor is most likely a scum who is confident in his vote.

[RedFlavor]

3.What's your read on Redflavor?

He was fine until he went full R with this line:

And I think lionGuilty was bussing their friend so junko is other scum

which contradicts his previous post:

Yes I really think you are scum trying to find a reason to vote junko

VOTE: GuiltyLion

so which one is it? a scum looking for a reason to bw a townie? or a scum busing his partner?

he also brings the wifom possibility, I believe the odds of one of you being mafia is worth looking into.

@GuiltyLion I still don't know how I feel about you town reading the person who townread you but I'm also leaning towards townreading Hewhoswims.

I agree with Junko here. Redflavor seems like a strong scumread with his actions. Alongside that, there's the fact that he brought up the BP reveal out of nowhere. A BP reveal seems like a bad idea for the town in a game like this. The BP reveal would benefit the mafia, as Junko and HeWhoSwims explained earlier, so I think that he's scum.

Also, to use his own logic from Post 39, isn't it possible that Red is a scum trying to start a bandwagon against a townie? Or perhaps by Post 42 logic, Red is bussing GuiltyScumLion. Either way, I have my vote.

VOTE: RedFlavor

Well looks like I might be wrong about Junko, that's a good post

VOTE: 3 Masons

If Junko is town, 36 looks worse. It feels awkward and the "you're drawing too much attention to yourself" comment only makes sense if 3 Masons thinks (or perhaps knows) that Junko is town

Well, you're not wrong. I believe Junko is town. I believe you're town as well. Both of you are discussing the benefits of options from the town perspective in your arguments. Redflavor is focused only on who gets lynched, and not whether thay would be good for the town. He's scum and already knows who he is going to lynch. If this were D2 or beyond, then I would understand having someone you're targeting without discussion. The first night could give you information, especially if you're the cop. Unfortunately, Wavemode's Day Cops don't exist. Therefore, Redflavor is most likely a scum who is confident in his vote.

So I want to lynch scum and I'm thinking that a scum lynch will not be good for town?

[HeWhoSwims]

Well hello, I'm back.

As said before Junko is certainly posting but didn't contribute that much before GuiltyLion brought this up. I'm honestly not sure what to think of it. Could be an overenthusiastic noob townie, could be scum trying to make themselves seem useful. I do think she (?) has a point in bringing up the inactivity of some others however this too has two sides. If she's town it's good to call those people out, if she's scum then calling them out is an effective way to say "Look, I'm doing a townie action!"

However, it is a fact that this thread mostly consists of me, Junko, Guilty, Mason and RedF. That means we miss talon (1 post that was not relevant at all), acidphoenix (who's disappeared after posting IC shit), eth0s (lost cause it seems) and wavemode. I feel like giving Junko some sort of benefit of the doubt regarding her activity:contribution ratio since at least she's posting and allowing people to read her as opposed to the 4 I mentioned.

What bothers me way more is RedFlavor's OTTN reaction to GuiltyLion placing a vote on Junko. I mean that single vote probably enabled all of the discussion of the past (calendar) day. I am still townreading GuiltyLion for contributing. As I said before a scummie would never want to be that obvious. Yes you can bring up WIFOM but in this case we could just end up in a neverending string of "But he would predict that we would know that he would know..." and I honestly think GL is more likely to be town than scum. Oh and of course as pointed out he contradicted himself recently.

Not taking my vote off talon yet since I'd love to hear more from both RedF and talon (get active y'all! Less posts = less reads = less better!)

[3 Masons in a Trenchcoat]

3.What's your read on Redflavor?

He was fine until he went full R with this line:

And I think lionGuilty was bussing their friend so junko is other scum

which contradicts his previous post:

Yes I really think you are scum trying to find a reason to vote junko

VOTE: GuiltyLion

so which one is it? a scum looking for a reason to bw a townie? or a scum busing his partner?

he also brings the wifom possibility, I believe the odds of one of you being mafia is worth looking into.

@GuiltyLion I still don't know how I feel about you town reading the person who townread you but I'm also leaning towards townreading Hewhoswims.

I agree with Junko here. Redflavor seems like a strong scumread with his actions. Alongside that, there's the fact that he brought up the BP reveal out of nowhere. A BP reveal seems like a bad idea for the town in a game like this. The BP reveal would benefit the mafia, as Junko and HeWhoSwims explained earlier, so I think that he's scum.

Also, to use his own logic from Post 39, isn't it possible that Red is a scum trying to start a bandwagon against a townie? Or perhaps by Post 42 logic, Red is bussing GuiltyScumLion. Either way, I have my vote.

VOTE: RedFlavor

Well looks like I might be wrong about Junko, that's a good post

VOTE: 3 Masons

If Junko is town, 36 looks worse. It feels awkward and the "you're drawing too much attention to yourself" comment only makes sense if 3 Masons thinks (or perhaps knows) that Junko is town

Well, you're not wrong. I believe Junko is town. I believe you're town as well. Both of you are discussing the benefits of options from the town perspective in your arguments. Redflavor is focused only on who gets lynched, and not whether thay would be good for the town. He's scum and already knows who he is going to lynch. If this were D2 or beyond, then I would understand having someone you're targeting without discussion. The first night could give you information, especially if you're the cop. Unfortunately, Wavemode's Day Cops don't exist. Therefore, Redflavor is most likely a scum who is confident in his vote.

So I want to lynch scum and I'm thinking that a scum lynch will not be good for town?

Well, if you bothered to read the second half of that post you quoted, I believe Guilty isn't scum. Whether or not it's correct, and whether or not it is a smart choice, most of us five active players believe Guilty is town.

Guilty claims Junko is scum. You, Red, claim Guilty is scum who is bussing other scum. Why would Guilty bus Junko D1? I find your claim hard to believe.

Either 1) Provide further evidence that Guilty is scum
Or 2) Explain why scum would point out other scum D1
Or 3) Explain why the hell you brought up revealing BP
Or 4) All of the above.

[JunkoChan]

If she's town it's good to call those people out, if she's scum then calling them out is an effective way to say "Look, I'm doing a townie action!"

This has been brought up a couple times, the inactive list is kind of a reminder for myself and others that there's more people than just the ones posting, I also think that inactivity gives scum space to lurk and go under the radar.

@Talon152 What do you think about this player? RedFlavor, 3 masons and GuiltyLion

@GuiltyLion also, could you tell me what do you think about Wavemode? I think it's pretty obvious why I'm asking this.

[talon152]

I think Redflavor seems to be coming on a bit strong with trying to push a lynch. I am feeling town for 3 masons, guiltylion, and hewhoswims. Not sure about Junko.

[RedFlavor]

3.What's your read on Redflavor?

He was fine until he went full R with this line:

And I think lionGuilty was bussing their friend so junko is other scum

which contradicts his previous post:

Yes I really think you are scum trying to find a reason to vote junko

VOTE: GuiltyLion

so which one is it? a scum looking for a reason to bw a townie? or a scum busing his partner?

he also brings the wifom possibility, I believe the odds of one of you being mafia is worth looking into.

@GuiltyLion I still don't know how I feel about you town reading the person who townread you but I'm also leaning towards townreading Hewhoswims.

I agree with Junko here. Redflavor seems like a strong scumread with his actions. Alongside that, there's the fact that he brought up the BP reveal out of nowhere. A BP reveal seems like a bad idea for the town in a game like this. The BP reveal would benefit the mafia, as Junko and HeWhoSwims explained earlier, so I think that he's scum.

Also, to use his own logic from Post 39, isn't it possible that Red is a scum trying to start a bandwagon against a townie? Or perhaps by Post 42 logic, Red is bussing GuiltyScumLion. Either way, I have my vote.

VOTE: RedFlavor

Well looks like I might be wrong about Junko, that's a good post

VOTE: 3 Masons

If Junko is town, 36 looks worse. It feels awkward and the "you're drawing too much attention to yourself" comment only makes sense if 3 Masons thinks (or perhaps knows) that Junko is town

Well, you're not wrong. I believe Junko is town. I believe you're town as well. Both of you are discussing the benefits of options from the town perspective in your arguments. Redflavor is focused only on who gets lynched, and not whether thay would be good for the town. He's scum and already knows who he is going to lynch. If this were D2 or beyond, then I would understand having someone you're targeting without discussion. The first night could give you information, especially if you're the cop. Unfortunately, Wavemode's Day Cops don't exist. Therefore, Redflavor is most likely a scum who is confident in his vote.

So I want to lynch scum and I'm thinking that a scum lynch will not be good for town?

Plus bp claim thingy benefits to town

[RedFlavor]

VOTE: JunkoChan

this is not a random vote

mmkay?

Should we do BP claim thingy

I've heard that is optimal, but not good for a newbie environment at early stages of the game.

"You vote me? Mmmkay? We probably should have talk about this in mafia vhat but since you are my scum friend I trust you."

[JunkoChan]

I probably shouldn't be the one to tell you to elaborate more on your posts instead of just quoting half the day and writing a one liner, but here I am.

I hate repeating myself so much, I thought my "mmkay?" was explained by my posts after that but oh well, it's not an "mmmkay buddy" kind of mmkay, it was an "mmkay could you elaborate?" kind of mmkay

[JunkoChan]

at least give us a reason why you think the bp claim benefits town more than scum, I'm interested.

[HeWhoSwims]

Plus bp claim thingy benefits to town

Pretty sure that right now it doesn't. Read what Junko and I discussed on page 2 after you suggested it.

[RedFlavor]

at least give us a reason why you think the bp claim benefits town more than scum, I'm interested.

Because its proven and it has all reasons in a post, just check statistics

[HeWhoSwims]

Have you read what me and Junko said from post 30 to 33? And later Mason agreed in 51. That's 3 out of the 4 active members that aren't you. Curious to know what GuiltyLion thinks.

Me, Junko and Mason all seem to be scumreading you now. If you are town... you're digging yourself a grave. First contradicting yourself and now saying BP claim should help town which we seem to not agree on.

As for the other 4, get active! Have prods been sent out?

[HeWhoSwims]

Posting twice since editing is a no go:

I'm not taking my vote off of talon152 yet for inactivity reasons, but consider this a FoS I guess.

[RedFlavor]

Have you read what me and Junko said from post 30 to 33? And later Mason agreed in 51. That's 3 out of the 4 active members that aren't you. Curious to know what GuiltyLion thinks.

Me, Junko and Mason all seem to be scumreading you now. If you are town... you're digging yourself a grave. First contradicting yourself and now saying BP claim should help town which we seem to not agree on.

As for the other 4, get active! Have prods been sent out?

I never contradicted myself

[HeWhoSwims]

Junko already mentioned this in 48

Yes I really think you are scum trying to find a reason to vote junko

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Here you (seem to) imply that GuiltyLion is scum trying to get a quick and easy vote and possible bandwagon on a townie.

And I think lionGuilty was bussing their friend so junko is other scum

Here you imply that GuiltyLion is bussing their fellow scum Junko, meaning that Junko in the span of 4 posts has turned from town to scum and that both GuiltyLion and JunkoChan are bussing each other while neither have been subject of much suspicion (just Junko for a bit).

If that's no contradiction...

[JunkoChan]

Because its proven and it has all reasons in a post, just check statistics

So you can't come up with your own opinion about the topic YOU brought to the table?

I never contradicted myself

??? ???...??? ?


VOTE: RedFlavor

[wavemode]

Have prods been sent out?

lol nope

lithely slides back into the game

[wavemode]

Okay help me to understand this because I'm slow

[wavemode]

He was fine until he went full R with this line:

And I think lionGuilty was bussing their friend so junko is other scum

which contradicts his previous post:

Yes I really think you are scum trying to find a reason to vote junko

VOTE: GuiltyLion

so which one is it? a scum looking for a reason to bw a townie? or a scum busing his partner?

You're saying this is a contradiction, but I'm not seeing where Red said junko is a townie

[wavemode]

And I guess I'm also not seeing how bringing up a BP claim makes Red scum? I mean some of you may be new but fyi, this is a strategy that gets done in the majority of newbie games nowadays. Some people decide not to do it to keep the game simple or possibly to save it until later in the game, which is fine - but it's still a pro-town strategy, and in my experience bringing it up is NAI

[HeWhoSwims]

You're saying this is a contradiction, but I'm not seeing where Red said junko is a townie

RedFlavor in post 39 seems to imply that Junko is town and that Guilty (who he sees as scum I guess) is finding an easy reason to vote and potentially start a BW on Junko/town. At least that's how it seems to me.

Re: Bulletproof claiming, what do you think of what Junko and I discussed? If you all want to do it then we can, but I fail to see how it helps us right now.

Bringing it up is certainly NAI and what ticked me off about RedF is his reaction to a vote being thrown at Junko. And with that RedF seems too defensive sometimes such as with the "not contradicting myself" while it seems like a contradiction to me.

[wavemode]

RedFlavor in post 39 seems to imply that Junko is town and that Guilty (who he sees as scum I guess) is finding an easy reason to vote and potentially start a BW on Junko/town. At least that's how it seems to me.

Yeah maybe we're reading it differently

Like, there are times scum will bus their partner in the early game just to create distance

So sometimes a read on someone will be "this guy A's reason for voting B this early in the game is really shitty, but I think A is too experienced a player to be making this bad of a push on a townie and risking his neck... so maybe he is bussing his partner"

That's honestly how I read what Red was saying there, that Guilty didn't have a good reason to vote Junko so perhaps this is just scum theater

I'm admittedly surprised to see this sort of reasoning in a newbie game, but it's very common in normals... and is

usually

wrong lol

[HeWhoSwims]

Yeah alright. Everything is obviously based on speculation right now and different reads are guaranteed.

I think I said it though a few days ago but I feel like if GuiltyLion were scum he wouldn't have started discussion by the way he did in his first few posts; I feel like (but, as I'm inexperienced I could be very wrong) there are two possible outcomes for doing so. One is people being suspicious of you and your sudden questioning of people, the other being that discussion is starting which may lead to some accurate reads and may increase chances of a scum lynch.

And especially seeing GuiltyLion is one of the SEs I doubt he as scum would make that play. Hope I'm making sense lol. Of course there is WIFOM and he may be trying to appear as a townie by starting the discussion and shifting accusations to someone else. However, since I feel his posts directly or indirectly started a lot of discussion... I'm townreading him. If he's scum he's impressive.

So TL;DR Red might have a small point depending on your personal look on the situation. I'm rather on Junko and mostly Lion's side for now. RedF's reaction just screams scum to me but eh.