Micro 759: Tarot uPick III - Game Over!

[nancy]

Yeah, that's probably a small difference in our interpretation of Yetichain's post about that. I just realized I still haven't even caught up in the few pages I missed on V/LA but my understanding of Yeti's point about you was that the way in which you were pressuring acid wasn't accomplishing much and you were using that as an exemption for generating activity in other areas/ways. I think Yeti could probably be more charitable there and the way they worded it was pretty stretchy since I think it's a reason to be slightly cautious of what someone's doing not a reason to outright scumread them, but that was how I read their qualms with that in particular.

[nancy]

Oh okay, I only missed one page.

I don't think there's any way I don't vote Yetichain today after 528. Which I should follow up by talking about why, but I am tired.

[nancy]

Vote: Yetichain

[nancy]

I'll do a Porkens readslist just for you Varsoon, since you seem to like them.

drealmerz7: he wouldn't be this disengaged if he were a wolf

Jabarkas Mayonnaise: false-positive scumread because of NPD-type playstyle, if narcissist then probably town pending review of scumgames, never a wolf with Yeti, w/w with northsidegal

Yetichain: strong scumread for reasons, w/w with NK15

TFPKAP: messy af, borderline policy lynch territory but going back over Maplewood they weren't too different there it was just concealed somewhat by their A+ flavorposting, kinda love-hate-y here

acidphoenix: easygoing tone + roleclaim stuff seems town enough for now I guess

dunkerdoodles: vi, wouldn't have randomly wanted to scumread me if he were mafia

Not Known 15: probably scum trying to fake vi

northsidegal: lurky and distant, backup scumread


Also I just realized why I felt so unnerved by your huge walls Varsoon; at the start of the game you seemed to lack any predisposition for them with the way you responded to my "novellas". Did I misinterpret?

[Jabarkas Mayonnaise]

I hate reading a ton when I'm not engaged in a game, but I will write a ton when I do get into a game. It's probably hypocritical of me.
Why wouldn't drealmerz7 be this disengaged if scum?
What makes you think Dunker is VI but NK15 is faking it?

I do like readslists with just a concise sentence that gets at the heart of each read, yeah. Helps.

There were a lot of accusations of who was engaging what players, which felt all kind of LAMIST to be given that the game hadn't really had much content before that point. I took umbrage to a lot of that.

-V

[nancy]

I'll let drealmer explain for me

Spoiler:

desp, you really need to get in the game

if we weren't teamed I'd be pushing you hard and demanding you be lynched because I'd be SRing you hard for this lurkness and I don't like not doing what I would be doing as town as scum

you're making it more difficult than it needs to be and I'm going to be out for your head tomorrow if you don't start playing

it's not like I'm upset about it at all, because it's not raising suspicion and not making it much harder at all is mostly negligible

I just hate lurkers and scum lurkers are the worst and when I'm on a team with them....grrrrrr

bad form! is all (:

MS needs to shapeup and not let lurkers live until endgame

well I'm on a mission to improve MS

and yeah, that is why I like the SLAUGHTER THE USELESS phrase

it covers all bases, yuo can be a useless spammer, a useless lurker, etc., it's the slots that aren't generating readable content that need to go

Dunker hasn't been calculated, NK15 has.

[nancy]

I do like readslists with just a concise sentence that gets at the heart of each read, yeah. Helps.

The issue with readslists for me is that my reads tend to be a pretty delicate web and if you think of a read as one strand of web then you can't summarize any read in a static way like "probtown" without leaving out a ton of information and having it just be ultimately really arbitrary. Part of this is because the main way I scumhunt is by worldbuilding and I often have dozens of worlds in my head at once, I can talk about one of those worlds like the one we're you're mafia with northsidegal but just talking about that doesn't really represent the whole of what my reads are on your slot or hers. Generally what I put forth into the thread are just the most likely worlds that I've built, or ones that I find more interesting to talk about for some reason.

[nancy]

Here's something amusing.

Spoiler:

I know that there's some contention over my slot and I'd like to speak towards that and what it means for me, Regfan.
Out the gates, I did have stronger posts. That's just the case. I immediately was met with more than one townread.
However, as I slouched, so did opinion of me. Only natural, right?
I don't really think so. I feel that the shift in perspective on my slot from a universal townread to being near the bottom of most lists was a scum-oriented effort.
That said, it does become difficult to parse out just exactly who is town duped by it and who is scum taking advantage of my play not being consistent to where it was the moment we began.

This does afford me some unique perspective. I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that NMS is town. That slot has a strong read on me informed by gut, but that gut is informed by having lots of shared games where I have been in a similar position. I have no doubts that Mastina would have me hanging from the rope if they were scum--especially with Jae continuing to inform the slot. Their early TR on me was something they've had lots of time to back away from and, at this point, would serve them nothing at all to continue to hold onto. Plenty of other players were outspoken about me being quite town and now say things like that townread is "effectively gone." It would be an easy way to back away and put me in very real territory to be lynched within the first three days.

I'm not just letting people's read progression on me paint my own reads--there's a lot else going on there, too. I also don't want you to think that I am not paying attention, following along, and critically engaging. The big thing is that I just don't have the time to make posts this long on a regular basis. I don't have time to respond several times or build a bunch right now. This game, frankly, doesn't need it. I've established myself and what I want firmly enough, imo. Could I do more to lead? Sure. But I don't think that is what would be best for town, given my limited capacity to contribute. Is more contribution of content from me going to better this game for town? Not really--I've put enough down as is and, moving forward, putting more down will only serve to clog this game up.

I will say that I was a bit frustrated when I began this game. I was told that the vetting process would be fairly strict, and that there was concern (given my shaky start on this site) that I just wasn't up to snuff.
I had to make a case for myself being a better player with worthwhile contributions to games, as both alignments.
My most recent games, luckily, fit that bill.
However, my frustration came from taking this game very seriously right out the gate and seeing several players being very off-the-cuff and playful and not really giving it their best foot forward, especially given the whole premise of this game being for stronger players to make stronger plays.
I still want to contribute that quality of play, but the way that everyone else hit this game, it made me lose a bit of that initial posture--it made me take this less seriously, especially since I had less time to invest, anyway.

I know this post is getting to be a bit of a wall, so I'll cut it here.
In the future, don't expect my posts to be this long--both because they don't need to be and because I don't have the time.
That doesn't mean I'm not here, or that I'm a weaker force to be reckoned with. I am still holding myself to the same standard.
It just means there's a different mode of engagement. Honestly, it's afforded interactions that are a lot better than everyone sucking me off and catching an NK for it.

If you hadn't made that one post, in a different game we were both in, I really don't think I would be townreading you at all right now.

[nancy]

And if you are mafia this game then, well, I give up ever trying to read narcissists again.

[Jabarkas Mayonnaise]

Your position on readslists makes sense; I can get seeing everything as related and dependent on tons of factors. I just tend to use reads as a snapshot of where someone is on their thoughts about various players and chances of those players being scum or not at that moment in the game, with the info available.

Oh, man, I hated that game and was really upset with how poorly town played.

-V

[nancy]

Samesies. Was even worse given that I had the game solved and was V/LA for the last day and a half of the dayphase so I didn't get to reassert my reads and no one really thought at all about why I was the N1 kill.

[nancy]

Like one of the first things I said when I entered dead thread was "well that's an LLD kill", even Nacho didn't point it out.

[nancy]

Very glad I did die night 1 though, game looked very excruciating to play from pretty much day 2 onwards.

[Jabarkas Mayonnaise]

I'm glad I was offed day 2 and didn't suffer through it.
Then again, I've gotta figure the reason both of us ended up dead were because we had the game figured out.
Well, you more than me, given I died because Mason Lover nonsense.
God, Lovers is an awful role. No mod should ever put such an awful role in their games. Like, that role gives me no enjoyment and only exists to rob people of getting to play the game.

Anyway
This is a micro, so even if we get screwed, at least the suffering will be short-lived.

-V

[nancy]

Loverizer is one of my favorite roles

[nancy]

I do agree that Lovers without the "-izer" is a generally awful role/modifier though.

[northsidegal]

so i'm having generating content for this game so here's all of the notes that i've taken on everything up until i replaced in.

[northsidegal]

sorry for no post numbers, i had just typed this up for myself. it seems like people are making posts like this anyways, so i want to join in on the trend.

Spoiler:

Micro 759 - Tarot uPick

29 - jabarkas opens up with some heavy mechanical talk on the reasons for why voice messages are bad. NAI.

57 - kind of strange thought from dreal, the idea that voicing your townreads gets them killed. i think it could come from either alignment, but might be some townpoints.

71 - porkens jokingly says that he wants jabarkas dead. something to take note of.

87 to 88 is an interaction to perhaps look at. porkens being sensitive to the question of vigs might indicate something, just like back in 1821 with cheeky.

95 - basically the same as 29 from jabarkas.

103 - this is weird, from dreal. why scumread someone for not realizing that the game has started? The justification in 107 doesn’t really make sense.

111 - beginning of porkens’ pink text.

[redacted]

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138 - i like keychain as usual, but i’m not sure if i can trust that.

141 - it’s pretty sharp, i actually like the rationale from Jabarkas.

157 and 160 - weird, cryptic comments from dreal and porkens. i doubt this really means anything.

161 - nk15 entirely misses the point of what porkens was saying.

162 - going to try to look at keychain’s posts harder than normal, i’ll probably need to. she questions dreal on the inconsistency between him saying that nancy sounded sad that she rolled scum but nancy also saying that she preferred scum. this seems like a non-sequitur from what she was saying before and also seems to rely on nancy telling the truth. either way, i’m not sure what’s gained from it.

hm, this is interesting – i don’t have a problem with keychain disagreeing about rqs but her saying that she doesn’t like “casting disagreements at this stage” sounds scummy.

166 - nk15 is incredibly abrasive. it’s weird, i don’t think i recall

[redacted]

.

179 - nancy’s a lot more verbose here than

[redacted]

. i also don’t really remember this compares to how she played back from that one game i read where she was in it, where aristo was scum and won.

i’m not sure why she would think dreal would fabricate a scumread on her as scum.

181 - agreeing with porkens here.

182 - really, really weird response here from nk15. i honestly have no idea how to interpret this. it’s probably safer to lean scum on it.

199 - okay, back to keychain. she doesn’t explain her scumread on porkens here, i should remember to ask her about that.

204 - i have trouble actually reading what nancy is saying here, but i’m pretty sure i agree.

217 - this’ll be ironic to come back to if it’s an admission.

226 - i’m not used to acid being this lurky in games except for

[redacted]

– not really sure how to interpret it.

252 seems like a really towny thing to notice. i’m not sure if i would have ever said something like that as scum. town points to dunk for it.

257 - keychain explains the scumread that i was looking at earlier. i’m not really agreeing with her scumread but i doubt that it’s faked or anything.

266 - jabarkas takes nancy’s 265 seriously? it seems obvious that she was joking. might be some self-consciousness / hyper-awareness.

271 - keychain’s posts always seem like reading a letter or something, to me. there’s the comment at the very top, the quotes and responses and then the signature at the end.

277 - i should probably go back to donner party and reread day one, see where i went wrong.

279 - agreeing pretty much exactly here.

297 - i see this opinion from newbies a whole lot (and a little bit in myself, really), where people who don’t explain everything are scum. inevitably they’ll always waste their time tunneling someone like transcend. nk15 seems to be going a bit more in every direction this game, though.

[drealmerz7]

me being disengaged is mostly not alignment indicative but if it were to be AI it would be more likely town because I roll town A LOT and don't like it so much but my lack of engagement is mainly because I haven't been able to focus for a bunch of days but I'm working on that please bear with me and try not to create 10 new pages in the meantime

I am often very much engaged in games you can figure if I'm not there's good reason

[acidphoenix]

jesus posting here feels hard and I don't know why

I don't want to vote dreal yeti porkens dunkers Nancy in roughly that order

I don't have strong feelings anywhere between nsg / nk / jabarkus

VOTE: not known 15

[nancy]

I think you'd be doing more to get back into the game if you were mafia whereas you're giving yourself a lot of space instead, which is good I'm not shaming you, just think it's +town.

Why on drealmer/Yeti/Porkens/Dunker Acidphoenix and why did you capitalize my name out of ALL of them???

[Porkens]

VOTE: not known 15

Please this first.

[Dunkerdoodles]

holy crap my wagon actually gained traction
too bad it's not cause of me though
VOTE: nk15/vote]

[Dunkerdoodles]

VOTE: nk15
oops

[fferyllt]

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