Mini Normal 1969 - Blessed Mafia (Werewolf Win)

[Something_Smart]

But like Tchill, you could make me change my mind with content.

[UnaBombaH]

Ok, Ari is full of shit.
He didn't get blessed.

So it's likely Ari+Chill+Boon - Boon believing that claim is sketchy af.

[Something_Smart]

How do you know?

[UnaBombaH]

The most inactive, last to claim, magically happens to be blessed.
People are too willing to accept that claim, especially since WhyMafia was killed.
LUV was targeted for a reason, probably because scum read him as a PR. (might be partially my fault, I hinted at knowing who might be an investigative)

I think WhyMafia is a good logical player. With a role like his, he would never not crumb.
If he had no chance to crumb, he would target a slot that could be deduced - basically his strongest townread/scumread, or the last player he mentions.
Not just randomly Ari.

[UnaBombaH]

THIS..

I never argue to argue with one person. I argue for others to clearly understand my position on a matter. If we don't Lynch the Miller claim on day 1 we start this game off on the wrong foot. My intention was never to convince those who have already made up there mind. It's to convince those who haven't posted or didn't partake. Whymafia you haven't scum hunted at all. When you point one finger there's four pointing back at you.

Tchill ...
I town read you? Your play compared to Quick has a sharp contrast.

..makes sense as a crumb, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS FOLLOWED UP WITH THIS..

Additionally, I will be confirmed town tomorrow and I've been busy

..WITHIN A MINUTE.

These were also his last posts, and he mentions being busy - he probably expected a chance for the day to end while he was away.
I know I'm repeating myself with this quote, but I refuse to let this go.
WhyMafia played his role right, but his read on Chill was flawed - let's make it right by lynching the scum.

VOTE: Chill
Voteparked - not gonna move today.

[UnaBombaH]

And EVEN further - WhyMafia knew the risk he might die.
Why would he ever check someone who is completely null/scumread to him without almost explicitly stating it?
Just to risk dying for nothing?

So I stick with my deduction that WhyMafia checked Chill and died for it.
Therefore Ari fakeclaimed, and has no reason to do so as town, so he is scum too.
I assume three scum makes sense as the size for their team(?), and on that slot I have nothing certain, however..

Boon just accepting this claim from Ari pings me very hard.
He played a very similar role in a recent large - he was a weak JK. (weak=dies if targets opposing alignment)
This turned a jailkeeper essentially into an investigative, and meant that when Boon died as a third death for a single night, we should look for crumbs on who he investigated.
(he had gone forward and made a neat little poem and all, but crumbed nonetheless)

If I remember correctly, he hadn't crumbed his whole "check list" before D2, but he definitely should've.

[Tchill13]

This is my issue. Unas whole case on me... It's 2 posts. That's all it is. It's 2 posts that point to a possibility that why maf could have used his night action on me. The thing is why would he TR me more so than the other two people he mentioned as TR'S in his iso? He blatantly said I was a scum lean at one point. He also stated he clearly disagreed with me on the Miller situation. Had he checked me I would have already claimed blessed by now. If I'm scum here why wouldn't I have claimed blessed in my first post? A time stamp is your argument as to why I'm scum when in actuality had whymafia wanted to be CERTAIN he checked town from his perspective because he wanted to live he could have either not committed his action at all which isn't likely or he could have checked the 2 TRs of his he never stated a scum lean on. I would think you'd TR players that you never scum leaned more than he would have TR'd me at the time. Una has dug into what could possibly be the easiest but flawed argument to make.

[UnaBombaH]

The thing is, he deemed it necessary to say that he townreads you before the days end.
Him checking you after that makes a ton of sense, especially since you were the driving force behind the lynch yesterday (no matter if your gametheory was good).
It would make sense to me for WhyMafia to want conf!town you and him at the same time.

[UnaBombaH]

Una has dug into what could possibly be the easiest but flawed argument to make.

This is something you have to say as either alignment I guess.
I have such a strong feeling of being right, that if I end up being wrong about his night-action, I'll become a votebot for my highest townread and stop trying to gamesolve.
That is how confident I feel.

[Tchill13]

If I truly believed whymafia blatantly left a crumb as noticeable as that scum would notice it and fake claim blessed right out of the gate. I don't believe that's a crumb. I believe it's an argument that could lead to easy momentum and a rushed lynched.

[Tchill13]

Anyways I'm going to bed. I will discuss this further soon though. You're point of conftowning himself and me at the same time is one I like. That does make sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

I was a town weak roleblocker, and I believe I’ve brought that game up in this thread at least thrice already. Nonetheless, I’ll be likely conf town tomorrow anyways like I said before.

[Flavor Leaf]

On the subject of believing Ari, Aristo doesn’t claim blessed as scum there. That’s absolutely not Aristo’s style.

[Flavor Leaf]

My crumbs will make sense tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, lynch happened abruptly. Your why would he not crumb argument is moot.

[Flavor Leaf]

Most redeeming quality for you there was you chose to vote Tchill, which I don’t have a complete opinion about besides I think his miller push was coming from a town orientated Tchill, but I guess he could fake it.

In what world does ScumAri, who’s already being pushed, bail out ScumTchill, who would have likely been the lynch, and claimed blessed there. That doesn’t make sense. I guess you could say Ari was trying to get both him and Tchill cleared, but I don’t understand why that would be a thing; it didn’t happen, and I don’t see Ari making a play like that.

Ari’s my top town read.

[Flavor Leaf]

“And therefore Ari fake claimed and has no reason to do so as town”
Uhm, he was town, not fake claiming, is he reason to do so as town.

Also, I don’t understand your point of bringing up my weak roleblocker role that i’ve Brought up multiple times this game.

I was town that game. In fact, I didn’t crumb Day 1, like you said, there, did my giant No Result gambit, and was able to catch scum post mordem.

Day 1 ended abruptly, he didn’t set things up, which is why I would also go Tchill, but again, people were arguing me about that.

Where were you earlier when I was stating Tchill was probably targeted and people were shutting me down?

[Flavor Leaf]

Because I don't think it's multiball and I DEFINITELY don't think either of those was a vig.

I hope you’re picking up what I’ve been putting down, but I have faith if you’re here, you’ll be able to see it tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

Jay, Dunker, and then whichever one of Unah/Tchill.

Scum team.

VOTE: Jay

You’re in the clear for me, SS. Again, I hope you’ll see why.

[UnaBombaH]

Jay, Dunker, and then whichever one of Unah/Tchill.

I shouldn't be on this list, my actions D1+my crumbs all support my claim.

Where were you earlier when I was stating Tchill was probably targeted and people were shutting me down?

I brought it up as early as 744.

If we can agree on a chill-lynch today, I can be way more open for other avenues D3.
As of now, this feels like a tunnel that has no exits midway - I need to see chill flip.

[UnaBombaH]

WAIT WAIT WAIT, what happens here:

Day 1 ended abruptly, he didn’t set things up, which is why I would also go Tchill, but again, people were arguing me about that.

Where were you earlier when I was stating Tchill was probably targeted and people were shutting me down?

How does this fit with:

On the subject of believing Ari, Aristo doesn’t claim blessed as scum there. That’s absolutely not Aristo’s style.

???

Or is your argument that "Ari fakeclaimed, yes, but he is still town"?

[UnaBombaH]

TWO THINGS I WILL NOT BUDGE ON - CHILL NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED, AND ARI WASN'T BLESSED LAST NIGHT.

[UnaBombaH]

Like, FFS Boon.
Let's assume WhyMafia DIDN'T get to crumb D1, fine.

HE WOULD STILL TARGET A PERSON THAT HE THINKS IS SURELY TOWN, OR WHO HE HAS HINTED AT THE VERY LEAST.

There should be no way around this, everyone should understand it.
If you were to get a role such as his, you would pick a target that you think is surely town - why would you risk it with Ari?
And since no one else has claimed blessed, he targeted scum.

[Archwing]

Like, FFS Boon.
Let's assume WhyMafia DIDN'T get to crumb D1, fine.

HE WOULD STILL TARGET A PERSON THAT HE THINKS IS SURELY TOWN, OR WHO HE HAS HINTED AT THE VERY LEAST.

There should be no way around this, everyone should understand it.
If you were to get a role such as his, you would pick a target that you think is surely town - why would you risk it with Ari?
And since no one else has claimed blessed, he targeted scum.

Yeah I'm really getting into this here. I'm not really sure why WM would target Ari with almost no content. Chill makes so much more sense as his target.
VOTE: Tchill

[Dunkerdoodles]

Alright, if there’s a vig who got a successful shot last night, claim, and I can game solve this.

ew no

The most inactive, last to claim, magically happens to be blessed.
People are too willing to accept that claim, especially since WhyMafia was killed.
LUV was targeted for a reason, probably because scum read him as a PR. (might be partially my fault, I hinted at knowing who might be an investigative)

I think WhyMafia is a good logical player. With a role like his, he would never not crumb.
If he had no chance to crumb, he would target a slot that could be deduced - basically his strongest townread/scumread, or the last player he mentions.
Not just randomly Ari.

yes good post

Jay, Dunker, and then whichever one of Unah/Tchill.

Scum team.

VOTE: Jay

You’re in the clear for me, SS. Again, I hope you’ll see why.

this isn't town!boon. no way

Like, FFS Boon.
Let's assume WhyMafia DIDN'T get to crumb D1, fine.

HE WOULD STILL TARGET A PERSON THAT HE THINKS IS SURELY TOWN, OR WHO HE HAS HINTED AT THE VERY LEAST.

There should be no way around this, everyone should understand it.
If you were to get a role such as his, you would pick a target that you think is surely town - why would you risk it with Ari?
And since no one else has claimed blessed, he targeted scum.

Yeah I'm really getting into this here. I'm not really sure why WM would target Ari with almost no content. Chill makes so much more sense as his target.
VOTE: Tchill

why would you vote tchill here instead of voting ari who you literally said fakeclaimed blessed in the same post

i think it's boon/ari/archwing/maybe SS