Open 703: Masons and Mafia Town Win!

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Junko

I believe I've actually been able to narrow the scum pool down to 6 players already. Pending on Junko's flip I'll push one at a time.

[MawhrinSkel]

here now catching up posting soon sorry for the delay

[TwoInAMillion]

I could go with a Junko wagon, but I don't want to wagon hop so I'll wait and see what happens.

[mozamis]

I'd rather do 2iam than A50

can't see Almost as scum, the guy is sticking out like a sore thumb.
2IAM maybe, he is a bit vague and wishy washy.

[mozamis]

Wow, a context-free read list defended by circular truisms.

What a sterling game contribution!

played with Wave once, he was town, and he was similarly unhelpful then. So my gut response is town.

[Alisaes French Maid]

jzhenson93 died he was a

Mafia Goon

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[Alisaes French Maid]

Day 1, VC 9

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch!

Not Voting (12) -

CommKnight, wavemode, Almost50, havingfitz, Hongzi, mozamis, TwoInAMillion, JunkoChan, Gamma Emerald, humaneatingmonkey, MawhrinSkel, rb

Mod Notes

- wavemode is VLA until the 17th
- Gamma Emerald will be VLA from the 21st to the 25th
- havingfitz is VLA until Monday

Deadline:

(expired on 2017-12-22 18:00:00)

[mozamis]

Sweet!
So we got that right - i'm still up for Gamma, but Wave was defending Jzenhson?

[mozamis]

here now catching up posting soon sorry for the delay

[MawhrinSkel]

I just now caught up with the thread and I want to think about it and sleep on it since it was about 10 pages of content I am digesting.

Some initial thoughts, while we can't let the game stall I don't think we necessarily need to rush to a lynch, since there is no night phase and no plurality lynch we can just wait for the day to end and then just revote and it will be like nothing happened. At some point we do have to lynch someone or else the game stalls but I don't think we need to rush or let some arbitrary time limit dictated when we need to lynch someone(sorry mod)

@mod I will be v/la from 23 dec to 1 jan, visiting family, should still be able to get on and post(may even have more time than I do now, hate the pre holiday stress)

PEDIT was just about to hit submit when the thread was locked and I for sure need to think about this. Though will be around for about another 30 min if anyone wants to ask me anything.

[CommKnight]

So the votes that matter from jz's ISO. rb and Gamma. Most likely town for those two. But TIAM and Junko could be possible busses since the first was in joke stage and Junko was final vote before sending in a kill, probably hoping to get people off of Junko somehow?

Either way, 1 down, 3 to go.

[mozamis]

anyone kno wmuch about Jenzshen's meta? Like, would he bus Junko here?

[mozamis]

Sweet!
So we got that right - i'm still up for Gamma, but Wave was defending Jzenhson?

Sorry, scratch that - Wave was defending Gamma.

[mozamis]

I just now caught up with the thread and I want to think about it and sleep on it since it was about 10 pages of content I am digesting.

Some initial thoughts, while we can't let the game stall I don't think we necessarily need to rush to a lynch, since there is no night phase and no plurality lynch we can just wait for the day to end and then just revote and it will be like nothing happened. At some point we do have to lynch someone or else the game stalls but I don't think we need to rush or let some arbitrary time limit dictated when we need to lynch someone(sorry mod)

@mod I will be v/la from 23 dec to 1 jan, visiting family, should still be able to get on and post(may even have more time than I do now, hate the pre holiday stress)

PEDIT was just about to hit submit when the thread was locked and I for sure need to think about this. Though will be around for about another 30 min if anyone wants to ask me anything.

THIS is your catch up post?! Lol - no reads, opinions, analysis. Just "no rush to a lynch".
Happy to lynch this if people dont want Gamma.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Junko

I believe I've actually been able to narrow the scum pool down to 6 players already. Pending on Junko's flip I'll push one at a time.

@Comm: You said to work together, so why don't you vote with me for now? We need to compare our readlists (We seem to agree on Gamma, but that's about the only slot I know we agree on).

@Everyone else:

I guess I do owe you an explanation. Comm IS indeed very good with the Vig role, and we do work together very well too. We have never been Scum in games we played together. (Those are facts. I could even try to ink you with a Dayless game we played where he was he Vig and I had virtually no powers, yet we somehow managed to peg and shoot down the whole Scum team. If you have easy access to that game, Comm, please link)

What I got from Comm's tone was that he got disappointed I SR'd him as he was looking forward to playing with me (and I mean

with

, not just in the same game). You think that could be WIFOM and he is actually trying some reverse psychology on me? Fine.

P-edit: Woohoo! I see we lynch a Scumster already! Or did they just try to shoot a VT? I'll go read.
The thing is I feel his last plea could not have come from Scum him. Why? Because he is a combative player, and is not going H2H with someone. He is also competitive enough to know it will get him even more SR'd by those who don't know him, and Scum!Comm naturally would not want to be SR'd by a majority, so while you may think he was trying to buddy me I'd say he is better than this and he could've stayed in my null zone for now and worked on the Scum win-con still.

BUT, the fact Comm is competitive, and knows that I know that he can be quite an asset to Town, he wanted to be sure we worked together to ensure maximum revenue from our collective play.

Feel free to take my explanation or leave it, but I really really would have expected Comm to be more confrontational and a bit more aggressive towards me if he was Scum here. After all, he knows well I'm not quite the town leader type of player, meaning I cannot force-lynch a player on my own (something the likes of Wisdom, RC, Mastina and Titus seem to know well how to do).

N.B. Sorry for being too talkative. I would have put in less words if I felt they could transmit my exact thoughts still.

[Almost50]

OH! SO Scum already know someone's a VT. They have 8 more to sort out. << Keep that in mind for later reference

[humaneatingmonkey]

Scum has no chat.

We need to lynch Gamma. I agree that day timers are irrelevant at this point and that we should take time for reads. But we need to lynch Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Almost50]

*Sigh*

I could go against my meta-read on Gamma now, as jz did flip Scum. I pointed out his hop off the Gamma train as soon as he had a chance to do it, and Gamma was still the leading wagon (counter wagon to jz's own) at the time. He could have voted either Comm or Monkey, but he opted to start a new wagon on Junko. Hmmmm... I will sleep on this for a while.

[MawhrinSkel]

I just now caught up with the thread and I want to think about it and sleep on it since it was about 10 pages of content I am digesting.

Some initial thoughts, while we can't let the game stall I don't think we necessarily need to rush to a lynch, since there is no night phase and no plurality lynch we can just wait for the day to end and then just revote and it will be like nothing happened. At some point we do have to lynch someone or else the game stalls but I don't think we need to rush or let some arbitrary time limit dictated when we need to lynch someone(sorry mod)

@mod I will be v/la from 23 dec to 1 jan, visiting family, should still be able to get on and post(may even have more time than I do now, hate the pre holiday stress)

PEDIT was just about to hit submit when the thread was locked and I for sure need to think about this. Though will be around for about another 30 min if anyone wants to ask me anything.

THIS is your catch up post?! Lol - no reads, opinions, analysis. Just "no rush to a lynch".
Happy to lynch this if people dont want Gamma.

Read the first sentence again, I think I quite clearly stated there why this post isn't full of content, I like to sleep on it especially if we don't have any time limits hence the "no rush to lynch comment". I have been gone for about 10 pages worth of content which is like a /23 of the game content and for me it is a lot to take in.

[humaneatingmonkey]

He could have voted either Comm or Monkey, but he opted to start a new wagon on Junko.

Why are you trying to make it seem like I'm a hot lynch option when I never was? I'm not stupid. I've been obvtown the whole game. Your insistence is suspicious.

[Almost50]

Actually, I don't think it makes much sense to do an obvious bus at that point. Junko remains in he null-Town zone. Both Monkey & Hongzi also upgraded to null-Town zone for being on jz at the time.

Updated read list:

Town: havingfitz-CommKnight-rb-TwoInAMillion-mozamis-
Null-Town: JunkoChan-humaneatingmonkey-Hongzi-
Mixed zone: MawhrinSkel-Gamma Emerald-
Need more or you're expendable: wavemode

But now I'm paranoid I'm TRing a Scumster

P-edit: You had MawhrinSkel already voting you and Comm had rb on him. Those were the only two viable (read: existing) wagon aside from jz's own and Gamma's (the one he was hopping off).

[wavemode]

Wow that was boneheaded

My thought going into this was that we'd have to get really lucky for scum to actually randomly try to kill people in a setup like this lmao

[MawhrinSkel]

my vote was an RVS one not sure how valid of a wagon that really was.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm thinking Gamma will flip red.

If it's not Junko-Chan, which it doesn't look like it is if Gamma flips red, we need to take a closer look at wavemode and rb. Possibly A50 with a dash of WIFOM.

[wavemode]

Hm nobody has daychat so no gambiterino

hong goes from red to green on my list for pushing jzhen