Mini 1972 - Friendship is Magic - Game over

[Toranaga]

I mean masons don't have a vig

and I wouldn't vig jodax lol

[Srceenplay]

Toranaga your post yesterday to Tchill13 was awesome. Hats off to you for it.

[Srceenplay]

Tchill13 has went loopy.
Yesterday as I was reading I kept wondering to myself “ why hasn’t he been lynched yet”.
But
When I think why all I come up with is policy.
He is giving off the wall ideas. Going against the grain, hard.
I don’t see scum doing that.

Someone made a point about scum talking a lot and loud to steer town to mislynches. I agree. I have seen that done before.
But
What he is doing is not the same. It works when town believes and has your trust. Be is is fighting against everyone to make sure he is heard.

Hey where I’m coming from. ?

[Dunnstral]

Yeah I see where you're coming from and am reanalyzing

[Srceenplay]

On to th masons,
Mason sound ok to me with a doc, slightly. With two confirmed town and a hidden proctective it seems it can be op.
Definitely don’t think town would have another strong pr.
If so I would 100% question the mason claim.

[Dunnstral]

I don't think it's a good idea for other roles to out with a doctor dead

[davesaz]

Keep the fishing gear in the tackle box plz.

[davesaz]

I'm getting to the point where I think tchill could indeed be scum trying to act too scummy.

[Tchill13]

Yeah. Tchill is definitely scum but let's not read into the masons being alive.

[Tchill13]

From a clear headed perspective.... Random Mason claim day 1 under no pressure. Questionable. One Mason flips twice on every read on every play in the game. The other Mason doesn't contribute at all.... No masons die night 1. Raises an eye brow.

[Tchill13]

Both masons make shitty arguments for the UC wagon and both are also on it. It is then hammered by the only guy in the game I can see a clear cut association to.

[Tchill13]

If one of those players ever flipped town and I was scum I'm hitching my wagon to literally 3 flips I have to avoid the whole game. You imbeciles would rather Lynch a low info UC than get me out of the game day 1 if yall truly believe I'm scum or a harm to town. It's pathetic.

[Beefster]

In all seriousness, let's pick up where I left off

VOTE: Tchill

Seriously? None of the 3 died and you're rushing to Lynch me? Lmao. You're not scum just an... Well I'll leave it at that. Screen should be lynched today. At work. Will post tonight.

Could be a gambit. If they last another night, maybe it's worth reconsidering.

Also, they could have been protected (which yes, I realize that Jodaxq was indeed a doctor, but there could be others. I'm also not sure how it would resolve, but whatever). There are loads of reasons why legit mason claims would last though night 1.

Aside from that, I really see no reason why the events of the night should change my reads.

[Tchill13]

I didn't expect you to of all ppl.

[Beefster]

In all seriousness, let's pick up where I left off

VOTE: Tchill

Do you have a real reason for this vote?

Beefster is all about some beef. In all seriousness other than set up spec,which is helpful in catching scum and understanding what could be going on compared to the probability of role interactions.... So it's a good thing, I've not seen beef give a real reason.

What exactly do you mean by "a real reason"? The RVS L-1 was really only the beginning. Other than that, most of my beef against you has been your erratic and unexplained reads (notably, the players that were mysteriously added or removed), mixed with setup speculation and obsession over the possibility of a fake mason claim.

On the other hand, you've been thrashing a lot more today in response to my vote, which is a slight town tell. While that's only one count for you in a sea of counts against you, I will unvote for now to consider other possibilities.

UNVOTE:

[Tchill13]

I'm.... Not even going to explain why that's not a town tell. You think scum will act scummy and town will act towny? Is this your first game?...

[Tchill13]

Scum will go as long as they can without resolving the Mason situation. That at least we can all agree upon. It's causing the most turmoil and confusion rn.

[Beefster]

wavemode

Beefster

Toranga (oddmusic)

Maki Harukawa

Havo

Srceenplay

davesaz

Tchill13
Dunnstral

I Am Innocent

HeWhoSwims

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

Care to explain your reads?

[Tchill13]

The only difference between me and the rest of the player list is I believe that they're not above fake claiming masons day 1. I will happily self vote if one of those 3 flip town.

[Beefster]

In all seriousness, let's pick up where I left off

VOTE: Tchill

How many scum on the UC wagon, and who are they?

I'm not really sure. Half the guys on that wagon I read as null or town. Maybe 1 or 2? wave, Havo, and you seem like the most likely of the bunch, but it's hard to say.

It probably wouldn't have mattered how or if I answered this question because you would probably turn it against me either way.

[Beefster]

In all seriousness, let's pick up where I left off

VOTE: Tchill

How many scum on the UC wagon, and who are they?

I'm not really sure.

all

the guys on that wagon I read as null or town. Maybe 1 or 2? wave, Havo, and you seem like the most likely of the bunch, but it's hard to say.

It probably wouldn't have mattered how or if I answered this question because you would probably turn it against me either way.

FTFY

[Beefster]

That was my surest non-mason townread as well :/

Before the vote there was talk of a UCV/Dune/Havo scumteam. UCV is obviously not scum, Havo has had some good early posts since the daybreak and I was never quite on the scum!Dunn train. At the same time, the pitcher of that scumteam itself is giving off scumlike vibes but we are really early into D2 so I'm not putting my vote anywhere for now.

Beef's early vote is eh but he was already (sort of) tunneling towards Tchill and the other way around. If either or both is/are town it isn't really helping.

Re:Srceen that hammer was definitely weird. I'm not sure what to say of just the hammer without context, because is it scum or is it way to obvious to be scum? That would be a WIFOM loop. However combined with the rest of his posts... still scumleaning.

This post pings my scumdar, particularly the first line.

[Beefster]

The only difference between me and the rest of the player list is I believe that they're not above fake claiming masons day 1. I will happily self vote if one of those 3 flip town.

It's way too risky to fakeclaim mason, especially on day 1. Combined with the fact that odd and Maki had solid town reads on each other from the beginning of the game (scum would most likely scum/null read at least one partner read early on), I just don't see any reason to doubt the claim. Like I said, I might reconsider that if they last another night, but even still, it could be a gambit.

Yes, I was plenty reluctant to accept the claim originally, but simply looking through the history and seeing the early signs and breadcrumbs leads me to believe the claim is legit.

Your theory might have some credence if srceen flips scum, but I just don't see that happening.

[Tchill13]

Yeah you just prove you think town act towny and scum act scummy.

[Tchill13]

Imo It should be either me or screen that get lynched today.