Open 701: Pick Yer Power X/Y Game Over!

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Vote Count 2.10

CommKnight (5) - Aster, Viomi, Chip Butty, CheekyTeeky, City Electric,
Creature (1) - northsidegal
northsidegal -
Aster (1) - CommKnight
texcat -
Viomi (2) - Lalendra, texcat,
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty (2) - mutantdevle, Creature
Lalendra -
CheekyTeeky -
CityElectric -
KidAmn -

Not Voting:
With 12 Alive. Takes 7 To Lynch. 6 To No Lynch.
Deadline Timer (expired on 2017-12-25 07:00:00)

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[Viomi]

mutantdevle, why are you so opposed to a CK lynch? I'm genuinely curious. You seem to be doing everything in your power to build counter wagons.

Damn, I wish my scumbuddies were this dedicated to saving me in my scum games...

[Viomi]

Also I love that mutantdevle jumps off me to a new counterwagon the moment I mention the nice-looking scumtrio on my wagon over here

Lalendra, texcat, mutantdevle

Oh hey look at that scumteam sitting on me. What's up, scummers?

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Chip

CHIP OR BUST!

My question Viomi: I could've kept pushing for your lynch and didn't. There's more than enough people willing to vote you to put you to L1 today, why are you opposed to hunting for scum outside of lynching me? There's 3 people who REALLY want me dead today because I'm a claimed PR and they don't even get to find out WHICH PR I am until my flip. That means I could be dangerous, I might not be. But they are essentially forced to either kill me tonight and I'll die anyway or leave me around, hope town mislynches me at some point but also risk me outing any one of them with a hard claim.

This is a game of chess and scum and I have each other two moves from check-mate. So do you think all those on me currently are all town Viomi?

[Viomi]

VOTE: Chip

CHIP OR BUST!

My question Viomi: I could've kept pushing for your lynch and didn't. There's more than enough people willing to vote you to put you to L1 today, why are you opposed to hunting for scum outside of lynching me? There's 3 people who REALLY want me dead today because I'm a claimed PR and they don't even get to find out WHICH PR I am until my flip. That means I could be dangerous, I might not be. But they are essentially forced to either kill me tonight and I'll die anyway or leave me around, hope town mislynches me at some point but also risk me outing any one of them with a hard claim.

This is a game of chess and scum and I have each other two moves from check-mate. So do you think all those on me currently are all town Viomi?

Lmfao. You did keep pushing me until the votes dribbled off and you didn't have the support. So you switched to Aster, and now you're even going after Chip. Anything to save your ass.

I find it fucking hilarious that you claim to think your soft claim has you in a standoff with scum. You're so high and mighty and shit, but like.. you just got done tunneling me all day without giving a single reason to voting the most useful player in the game to sheeping onto whatever wagon pops up. How the fuck do you have scum two moves from check mate? You know who else is a definite PR but unclaimed? What do you think is intimidating about your claim?

You have wasted all the time you could have spent scumhunting. Congrats. I bet scum is really scared of the guy who's about to get lynched for being scummy as fuck the whole game

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: NSG still waiting on your catch up.

[northsidegal]

still typing it right now.

[northsidegal]

Comm what you've done is very anti-town. I don't even see how what you did was provoked? Chip didn't ask you to show how you're getting your reads, he asked if people have the same activity meta read if you this game.

are you talking about 837? if so, what was anti-town about that?

Tl;dr: CommKnight is trying to deceive town for his own agenda. Deceiving town is both antitown and scummy. My vote stays where it is.

what makes you think that comm's percentage table was an intentional effort to mislead people? you obviously understand probabilities pretty well – why come to the conclusion that he's lying rather than just mistaken?

958 is pretty damning. i thought comm's plan made sense but the inconsistencies reveal a faked thought process.

Hey CT, what's with your numbers thing? It sounds as flaky as CK's numbers thing...

i'm definitely agreeing with this. like, some people have said that high numbers are towntells, others low numbers – i think there's plausible motivation for both town and scum to pick any numbers. the only solid tell i would go on would be that scum won't choose the same number.

1. I backed off because you took the time to refute Aster's case, which looked genuine. Also you've been softing since you got here and you're obviously a PR based on the draft so the point you're actually making is how stupid you must think I am.
2. I want to test my theory. I do believe there is higher scum density in the top 5 like Aster said. Im happy lynching assemble because I find what he has posted scummy and he isn't a big loss if he flips town. Just because somebody is a PR doesn't make them town bro.

if you think there's higher scum density in the top 5 and you also recognize that somebody being a pr doesn't make them town, why would you back off of comm just because he's softing?

[northsidegal]

I crazy dislike how Creature has been dancing around the Comm wagon all day. First he's calling for a Comm wagon for days, then he only hops on the wagon when someone else has already voted for Comm and then the moment the wagon starts to get somewhere, he hops back off with 'I don't feel like it anymore'. There's overall a lot of saying 'I want to lynch/pressure this player' and fairly little action towards actually doing so in Creature's posts. @Creature: is the reason you hopped off because you thought he was softing a PR, or because there legitimately was something town about the way he reacted to being pressured?

these are my thoughts exactly.

Let's be honest here, CommKnight's actions have been scummy as heck. But anyone who has acknowledged her softclaiming a PR and then now hardclaiming one but is still prepared to lynch them then they are either scum trying to get this lynch over with just to claim "oooh whoops, t'was an accident" afterwards or is completely fucking stupid.

what?? obviously you realize that scum can be power roles as well, right?

NorthSide's vote has been parked on Creature. Northside, can you give us a reads list? I'm not sure where you stand on the wagons of the day.

Yeah, we kind of forgot northside.

i've been having internet issues.

Congratulations, northsidegal. You won your scum game. I hope you enjoyed playing scum even though it wasn't much of a challenge.

where did this even come from?

[northsidegal]

oh, and
VOTE: commknight

[Creature]

It's funny how you, with some others, aren't afraid of lynching a town PR.

[northsidegal]

how do you know he's a town pr and not a scum pr?

[CheekyTeeky]

are you talking about 837? if so, what was anti-town about that?

I thought that was pretty obvious. Why is he going to the trouble of working out percentages of different slots being a PR and listing it in public? If he is town he's doing the legwork for scum. Scum know which PRs they have so they now have a far narrower pool if they believe Comm's pool works out. The only intent I could see for town comm doing it was to say "see I am trying to solve the game" but that leaves me like "Bruh you're solving the game for scum" also comm's softing (along with Mutant claiming for him) is extremely anti-town as it narrows targets even further.

[northsidegal]

I thought that was pretty obvious. Why is he going to the trouble of working out percentages of different slots being a PR and listing it in public? If he is town he's doing the legwork for scum. Scum know which PRs they have so they now have a far narrower pool if they believe Comm's pool works out. The only intent I could see for town comm doing it was to say "see I am trying to solve the game" but that leaves me like "Bruh you're solving the game for scum" also comm's softing (along with Mutant claiming for him) is extremely anti-town as it narrows targets even further.

what? isn't it just common sense that the people higher up on the draft order are more likely to be scum? like, it doesn't seem like there's any reveal of information there. what would scum gain out of that that they didn't already know? also, aster did the same thing in 894 – in fact, aster apparently

corrected

comm's incorrect analysis. i think neither actons are scummy in and of themselves, but if you see comm's list as scummy, do you think the same thing about aster's?

[northsidegal]

more likely to be a power role, that is.

[CheekyTeeky]

if you think there's higher scum density in the top 5 and you also recognize that somebody being a pr doesn't make them town, why would you back off of comm just because he's softing?

I think you've misread me. I said I backed off after he took the time to refute Aster's case - as all game I've only seen him set-up spec and ignore content. When he refuted the case I found that his responses could be given the benefit of the doubt hence I said he could stick around another day. But straight after my push he votes me and is 100% convinced I'm scum because I don't agree with leaving the top 5. Or so I assume because he doesn't have a case on me that has not been refuted.

[northsidegal]

I think you've misread me. I said I backed off after he took the time to refute Aster's case - as all game I've only seen him set-up spec and ignore content. When he refuted the case I found that his responses could be given the benefit of the doubt hence I said he could stick around another day. But straight after my push he votes me and is 100% convinced I'm scum because I don't agree with leaving the top 5. Or so I assume because he doesn't have a case on me that has not been refuted.

ah, so not because of the pr softing?

what's your read on creature, cheeky?

[CheekyTeeky]

at? isn't it just common sense that the people higher up on the draft order are more likely to be scum? like, it doesn't seem like there's any reveal of information there. what would scum gain out of that that they didn't already know? also, aster did the same thing in 894 – in fact, aster apparently corrected comm's incorrect analysis. i think neither actons are scummy in and of themselves, but if you see comm's list as scummy, do you think the same thing about aster's?

What we assume to be obvious isn't necessarily obvious to everyone. Like I said I can see no pro-town reason or intent for it. Aster correcting Comm is slightly indicative of town imo. I consider it a push on Comm which clearly has town sorting intent. I've shared my reservations on the Aster slot but I'm feeling much scummier slots atm and considering them town through PoE until further info is available from the next set of flips.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think you've misread me. I said I backed off after he took the time to refute Aster's case - as all game I've only seen him set-up spec and ignore content. When he refuted the case I found that his responses could be given the benefit of the doubt hence I said he could stick around another day. But straight after my push he votes me and is 100% convinced I'm scum because I don't agree with leaving the top 5. Or so I assume because he doesn't have a case on me that has not been refuted.

ah, so not because of the pr softing?

what's your read on creature, cheeky?

I honestly don't know how to read Creature. His ISO screams scum but apparently it's a playstyle thing.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: CommKnight

[CheekyTeeky]

L-1!!! BTW

[Creature]

how do you know he's a town pr and not a scum pr?

It doesn't matter mostly. Town is usually hesitant to lynching a PR claim no matter their read. The lack of hesitation usually comes from scum because they don't want to preserve PRs other than themselves.

[Creature]

Hopefully I can wake up tomorrow without having to see a dead town PR.

[northsidegal]

how do you know he's a town pr and not a scum pr?

It doesn't matter mostly. Town is usually hesitant to lynching a PR claim no matter their read. The lack of hesitation usually comes from scum because they don't want to preserve PRs other than themselves.

i mean, certainly you realized that comm had a pretty good chance of being a pr when you first voted him and pushed for his wagon, right? town is usually hesitant to lynch a pr claim because in most games prs connect directly with alignment. that's not the case in this game. what's with the shift?

[CheekyTeeky]

I think Creature just took the spot for Scum King. Do we wagon him instead?