Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Creature]

like what do you think about Assemble's vote on Thor?

[Toto]

Doesn't look like busing, I think the slot is town anyway.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Thor

[Ramcius]

Actually we don't need to straight out lynch Thor, this day is just about to start.

That should make everyone rushing to the B group stop and use their brains.
Not that I expect it to happen, but if you all want to be strongarmed into a group selection that's on you.

A remains the better group for town to lynch in.

Because we might ML in A?

Anyway, there is very good rule for situations like this - don't trust caught scum

We might lynch correctly in A too - and we're obligated to lynch there eventually, so...?

eventually, yes, but at this point we have no clear reads in A, and we get free shot in B and C for 2 next day phases, so we in no rush getting A

[Ramcius]

Creature, why you think scum lynched Desp over Von?

Going to bookmark this for later. Given current events, I'll need to think if my feelings on this post still holds weight.

So, what you think now about Von, when Thor is caught scum?

[Thor665]

eventually, yes, but at this point we have no clear reads in A, and we get free shot in B and C for 2 next day phases, so we in no rush getting A

If your argument is you have no reads in a group then I would suggest you have issues in the concept of 'how to play' rather than 'how to play this setup correctly.

Also, you don't have a free shot in C at the moment unless your argument is that you're gunning for a mislynch there.

[Ramcius]

eventually, yes, but at this point we have no clear reads in A, and we get free shot in B and C for 2 next day phases, so we in no rush getting A

If your argument is you have no reads in a group then I would suggest you have issues in the concept of 'how to play' rather than 'how to play this setup correctly.

Also, you don't have a free shot in C at the moment unless your argument is that you're gunning for a mislynch there.

Oh, i have reads, but what i mean is that we don't have reads as a whole group, or people aren't telling their reads in A as they do with B and C

as for free shot, i mean we can lynch and not lose on spot, this will give us time to take better look at A too

[momo]

For me in group C, vonflare easily seems the least town. I could be getting played really hard, or we could get 4 ICs. I definitely want to vote Group C tomorrow. The Thor lynch has given us a chance. We need to capitalize on this advantage. (Assuming thor flips scum).

[Ramcius]

For me in group C, vonflare easily seems the least town. I could be getting played really hard, or we could get 4 ICs. I definitely want to vote Group C tomorrow. The Thor lynch has given us a chance. We need to capitalize on this advantage. (Assuming thor flips scum).

Who's goon then?

[Ramcius]

For me in group C, vonflare easily seems the least town. I could be getting played really hard, or we could get 4 ICs. I definitely want to vote Group C tomorrow. The Thor lynch has given us a chance. We need to capitalize on this advantage. (Assuming thor flips scum).

Who's goon then?

nvm, i read "looks town", i missed least town

[chesskid3]

I think we should just lynch momo

but Majiffy is also scum

and LUV is scum

[Creature]

For me in group C, vonflare easily seems the least town. I could be getting played really hard, or we could get 4 ICs. I definitely want to vote Group C tomorrow. The Thor lynch has given us a chance. We need to capitalize on this advantage. (Assuming thor flips scum).

Explain the Transcend townread and how he can't do that as scum.

[Weeby McWeebster]

merry christmas creature

[chesskid3]

merry christmas creature

OH MY FUCKING GOD WHY DO THEY LET ME HAVE ALTS

[Thor665]

eventually, yes, but at this point we have no clear reads in A, and we get free shot in B and C for 2 next day phases, so we in no rush getting A

If your argument is you have no reads in a group then I would suggest you have issues in the concept of 'how to play' rather than 'how to play this setup correctly.

Also, you don't have a free shot in C at the moment unless your argument is that you're gunning for a mislynch there.

Oh, i have reads, but what i mean is that we don't have reads as a whole group, or people aren't telling their reads in A as they do with B and C

as for free shot, i mean we can lynch and not lose on spot, this will give us time to take better look at A too

So your complaint about not wanting to lynch in A is that people haven't been obligated to offer some solid reads in A?

Want a hint on how to get them to offer reads?
Make the lynch in A.
Derpy dee.

[Ramcius]

eventually, yes, but at this point we have no clear reads in A, and we get free shot in B and C for 2 next day phases, so we in no rush getting A

If your argument is you have no reads in a group then I would suggest you have issues in the concept of 'how to play' rather than 'how to play this setup correctly.

Also, you don't have a free shot in C at the moment unless your argument is that you're gunning for a mislynch there.

Oh, i have reads, but what i mean is that we don't have reads as a whole group, or people aren't telling their reads in A as they do with B and C

as for free shot, i mean we can lynch and not lose on spot, this will give us time to take better look at A too

So your complaint about not wanting to lynch in A is that people haven't been obligated to offer some solid reads in A?

Want a hint on how to get them to offer reads?
Make the lynch in A.
Derpy dee.

how about you tell who is your buddy in A and we might consider lynch in there?

[Bulbazak]

Creature, why you think scum lynched Desp over Von?

Going to bookmark this for later. Given current events, I'll need to think if my feelings on this post still holds weight.

So, what you think now about Von, when Thor is caught scum?

I don't get how Thor-scum = Von-scum.

[Ramcius]

Creature, why you think scum lynched Desp over Von?

Going to bookmark this for later. Given current events, I'll need to think if my feelings on this post still holds weight.

So, what you think now about Von, when Thor is caught scum?

I don't get how Thor-scum = Von-scum.

Thor defended Desp, Thor pushed for my lynch, Thor ignored Von, do i make it clear enough? Or you are with Creature on Gingie!scum idea?

[Bulbazak]

Thor defended Desp

Thor's defense of Desp was pretty weak, but I can see where you get that. I don't see how that equals Von being scum with Thor.

Thor pushed for my lynch

And? That

might

make a case for you being town. It has nothing to do with Vonflare.

Thor ignored Von

Thor said he was okay with the Von lynch, but had no interest in pushing the wagon. Given that Von is a lurker, it'd make sense that scum Thor would show approval but want to stay far away from the wagon (Remember Mick?). Again, it doesn't establish a connection, as that was a pretty common sentiment.

Or you are with Creature on Gingie!scum idea?

Ginngie's town. Stop trying to create false dichotomies.

[Toto]

Bulba,

We either have a communication problem or you are scum. Which one do you think it is?

[Ramcius]

Thor defended Desp

Thor's defense of Desp was pretty weak, but I can see where you get that. I don't see how that equals Von being scum with Thor.

Thor pushed for my lynch

And? That

might

make a case for you being town. It has nothing to do with Vonflare.

Thor ignored Von

Thor said he was okay with the Von lynch, but had no interest in pushing the wagon. Given that Von is a lurker, it'd make sense that scum Thor would show approval but want to stay far away from the wagon (Remember Mick?). Again, it doesn't establish a connection, as that was a pretty common sentiment.

Or you are with Creature on Gingie!scum idea?

Ginngie's town. Stop trying to create false dichotomies.

i make it very simple - Thor flipping red mean i'm pretty much conf town; who is scum from Von/Trans/Chess in group C? And i expect serious reasoning to accuse Chess or Trans being goon

[Bulbazak]

Thor flipping red means no such thing. It means it's highly unlikely, but that's it. I need to go back over everything tonight, but I still think Von is unlikely to flip scum. That still feels like Mick 2.0.

[Bulbazak]

I really want to give a more indepth read of Transcend and Mikan, and all I feel I'll be able to do right now are half-hearted skims.

I have A down to {Toto, Paladin, Vax}, and I'm leaning Toto as goon and Paladin as traitor.

[Bulbazak]

And I still don't think the Mick wagon comp was good. There's scum there. Guaranteed.

[Ramcius]

i will lend a hand on Trans - Thor weak defense on Desp indicates scum team suspected Desp being scum PR, so why would goon trans (for same matter me too) pushed group C to lynch Desp in DPI? And he was pushing for Desp day coming to an end too, he didn't switched on me, when he had a chance

And calling Von Mick 2.0 is a stretch, we in D3, we asked him to cooperate plenty of times, and Thor "being ok" with Von lynch says nothing - would you defend him, if he was your scumbuddy or try distance from him without actually scumreading him?