Open 701: Pick Yer Power X/Y Game Over!

[mutantdevle]

Comm and Viomi have both expressed interest in the Chip wagon, so technically we just need the support of 1 more person for that lynch to be possible.

If you're town, it's your stupid little ego that is driving this. Me not answering your dumbfuck questions really bothered you, didn't it?

Yes. You had no reason to not give a simple answer the first time I asked you a simple question. I'm not ego lynching you, I'm driving this wagon because I firmly believe you are scum. I honestly don't care if I'm wrong, that's part of the game.

[mutantdevle]

Can we not compromise Lynch? Lalendra's slot is scum

Many of us disagree. I'd also like to see more from LUV before we lynch that slot.

[Chip Butty]

If i was scum, I wouldn't draw attentuon to myself that way.

[Chip Butty]

Def an ego lynch by Mutant. He's got nothing, exceptvi didn't answer his fool questions. Get out of the way little man, if you're town, and let the rest of us solve the game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The self-meta isn’t doing you any favors Chip. If you don’t want to engage with mutant any further just ignore him and start scum hunting.

[mutantdevle]

Def an ego lynch by Mutant. He's got nothing, exceptvi didn't answer his fool questions. Get out of the way little man, if you're town, and let the rest of us solve the game.

Lack of scum hunting, sheeping, most of your posts are fluff.

If you want me to give examples and analyse your posts then I can, but I don't really see why I should waste the energy. But if you want me to, just say so, and I will tomorrow.


Also, how does my push against you have anything to do with my ego?

[Chip Butty]

The self-meta isn’t doing you any favors Chip. If you don’t want to engage with mutant any further just ignore him and start scum hunting.

Well, I've been scumhunting all along. I was after Viomi until changing my mind about her, and I've been pretty damn clear on my CK/Creature scumreads.

[Chip Butty]

But you're right. Engaging with Mutant is a waste of time. I want to look at Creatue / texcat interactions, as I mentioned pre-Xmas. Hopefully in the next few hours.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Due to the sheer amount of replacements over the holidays. I'm willing to grant one 48 hr extension. Due to the holidays.

[Viomi]

Can we not compromise Lynch? Lalendra's slot is scum

Many of us disagree. I'd also like to see more from LUV before we lynch that slot.

You just said you agreed with me. What changed about Lalendra's slot to make you disagree? momo coming in and being just as / even more scummy?

[Viomi]

Can we not compromise Lynch? Lalendra's slot is scum

Many of us disagree. I'd also like to see more from LUV before we lynch that slot.

You just said you agreed with me. What changed about Lalendra's slot to make you disagree? momo coming in and being just as / even more scummy?

Wait, sorry, I got confused about who replaced who since my vote is on momo at the moment for some reason.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[Viomi]

Must've just been a VC error.. @Elmo

as my last vote was, indeed, on Lalendra.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Must've just been a VC error.. @Elmo

as my last vote was, indeed, on Lalendra.

Yeah doing it with a migraine isnt ideal

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Vote Count 2.15

CommKnight (3) - Aster, Chip Butty, northsidegal,
Creature (1) - CityElectric
northsidegal -
Aster -
texcat -
Viomi (1) -
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty (5) - mutantdevle, CommKnight, Creature, texcat, Momo
Lil Uzi Vert (1) - Viomi
momo (1) - KidAmn
CityElectric -
KidAmn -

Not Voting:
With 12 Alive. Takes 7 To Lynch. 6 To No Lynch.
Deadline Timer (expired on 2017-12-30 07:00:00)

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[Elmo TeH AzN]

Mod Error on thread lock.

[KidAmn]

Elmo

Are you drunk

If not, I can fix that

[mutantdevle]

The self-meta isn’t doing you any favors Chip. If you don’t want to engage with mutant any further just ignore him and start scum hunting.

Well, I've been scumhunting all along. I was after Viomi until changing my mind about her, and I've been pretty damn clear on my CK/Creature scumreads.

Simply giving reads is not scum hunting. Literally everyone has given reads at some point during the game. The only person it could even be considered that you've scum hunted is Viomi. You never gave any reasons for why you were looking at Viomi as scum and even after I relentlessly questioned you over it you failed to give any reason other than OMGUS, even though there were PLENTY of reasons you could have scum read Viomi at the time.

So you were pushing Viomi in nothing but OMGUS and you gave a few opinions. Not exactly scum hunting by my standards.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Elmo

Are you drunk

If not, I can fix that

I had a migraine yesterday
So close?

[Aster]

Although I don't like Chip, who is mostly posting stupid comments which have an uncanny mix of being both evading and confrontational, I don't think that he's as scummy as CommKnight, scumbuddyish as Creature, or as active lurkish as Lalendra (now Uzi).

Comparing Lalendra to Chip, Lalendra had a far more clear pattern of actively lurking and granting absolutely no information whatsoever. Chip also has a pattern of avoiding giving information, but does so in a confrontational manner. I don't like his confrontational manner, but I don't see what mafia has to gain by insulting instead of answering questions when at L-2. On the other hand, this is not the kind of behaviour I feel like we should let Chip get away with.

It looks like we won't be getting CommKnight lynched today. As such, I may as well UNVOTE: CommKnight. On a side note, it's been four and a half days since CommKnight's last post.

@Mod:

prod please?

As for Uzi, the replacement for Lalendra, it looks like he may have started to contribute by now. That does not change the issue of whether Lalendra's blatant active lurking was motivated by scum, but it does make me no longer consider him a lurker. It does feel a bit mean to lynch him over the actions of his previous incarnation which he can't do anything about.

That said, mafia is about who is scum and not about what is mean. Between Chip and Lalendra, I think that Lalendra's lurking is more indicative of being scum than Chip is. Moreover, with scumking CommKnight having pushed hard for the Chip wagon, I'm kind of sceptical of it. Thus, for now, I'll compromise VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert.

[Creature]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[Chip Butty]

I disagree with Aster's assessment of Lalendra. In a minute I'll point to some posts to show why.

[Chip Butty]

Now Creature has jumped on this bw as well. Can't people see how scummy he is being? If we can't get CK today (why, oh why?), I can compromise with a Creature lynch.

[Chip Butty]

Well, it seems like this game is going to be progressing at a good clip. Hi all, back from Thanksgiving shenanigans and ready to dive in.

Curious is how quickly you backtrack on asking for a roleclaim. Northside

hadn't even said a word

and you already felt like you needed to defend yourself with "no, I totally wasn't asking for roleclaims!". It gives the impression that

you knew

that you just committed a scum action.

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There is one more curious thing about asking for roles: suppose Tex would claim her role. We, as townies, wouldn't have a clue whether her role was town or not. The mafia, however, would know—and if Tex is town (like you

somehow

silently assumed in post #35), then its all the more power to them. Roleclaiming seems kinda more beneficial to mafia than to town.

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I would vote you, but my vote is already on you from the RVS, so I shall do the following:

UNVOTE: mutantdevle
VOTE: mutantdevle4reals

I agree with Aster's reasoning here, I really really don't like the rolefishing Mutant is doing. It's wayyyy too early in the game for that and is not at all beneficial to town. Even less beneficial is the way in which Mutant pointed out who should be the first NK, like are you kidding me?

Luckily for me, my placement in the list allowed me to choose my role more comfortably. Whether or not I received said role or what role I was after I am unwilling to disclose at this time.

So you acknowledge that you are unwilling to disclose your role; why would you feel that Tex may have been willing to do so?

I hadn't previously considered the possibility of scum taking roles to prevent town having them. Possibly because I'm someone who prefers to boost one's own team rather than subtracting from the other.

Look at this. I mean REALLY LOOK AT IT. He draws a parallel between the two and basically says "As scum, I prefer to boost my own team rather than try to subtract from town by taking their PR's away."

wow, finally getting this started - it feels like it's been over a month since i signed up.

Leaving here that I detected so far one post that looks very forced and one post that looks very genuine.

Free towncred if you can find each.

12 & 16?

Also I get the feeling this question is to just test for people who want to appear townie.

why did you answer it, then?

I would like an answer to this as well.

Ugh, that rolefishing.

mutant, have you tried a newbie before?

I don't like this. His join date is a month ago but he already said earlier in the thread that he has plenty of experience playing mafia, and in case that wasn't clear, he even refutes your noob claim later:

What I'm worried about mutantdevle is that he has no idea of how mafia works here. So I'm thinking his rolefishing is town motivated even if it's pretty bad.

I’m familiarising myself with how things work on this site. I’m yet to complete a game here but I am currently in 3 of them. On the EE forums however I have played at least 6 games and even hosted one. The mafia culture there is a lot different though. So basically I’m not completely inexperienced and I wouldn’t want anyone to discard me as that.

I almost think that Creature is a scumbuddy who is trying to help out Mutant, and Mutant is just too prideful to take the bait.

I told you that scum participated in the draft... Surely that's better than saying look at the setup

Firstly, you played a "I don't know how this setup works" trick to look more town, then you took the conversation off topic and tried to keep it off topic, seems scummy to me.

VOTE: Chip butty

I don't like how Wilky is willfully ignoring the rolefishing issue which has generated so much discussion otherwise.

If i had to pick 3 right now:

Wilky for being squirmy and casting a defensive vote.
Mutant for blatant and ill-advised role fishing.
Aster for too much setup spec.

In no particular order yet...

I don't know how I feel about this, he acknowledges the issue with Mutant but it seems obligatory, like he just has to acknowledge what's going on.

VOTE: mutantdevie for bandwagoning.

(This is totally unrelated from my fear of mutant zombies.)

Seemed forced.

VOTE: Pisskop - One scum in the group of 1's for sure.

Also holy shit, look at that. I managed to pick the one number that wouldn't screw me and someone else over.

Seemed genuine.

Can you explain this a bit more? These are both RVS votes, surely your reads have to have developed a little more since then. Also, why are you just now answering this question, which was already pointed out by Mutant as seemingly obvious fishing for towncred?

On the whole, I like this entrance. L engages with the issues of the day, and takes some stances. On some issues she is wishy washy but hey, opening post. Misreads Mutant's 54 but this might just be an error. Otoh Mutant was looking like an easy bw to jump on. Without a Mutant flip it's hard to assess further.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Although I don't like Chip, who is mostly posting stupid comments which have an uncanny mix of being both evading and confrontational, I don't think that he's as scummy as CommKnight, scumbuddyish as Creature, or as active lurkish as Lalendra (now Uzi).

Comparing Lalendra to Chip, Lalendra had a far more clear pattern of actively lurking and granting absolutely no information whatsoever. Chip also has a pattern of avoiding giving information, but does so in a confrontational manner. I don't like his confrontational manner, but I don't see what mafia has to gain by insulting instead of answering questions when at L-2. On the other hand, this is not the kind of behaviour I feel like we should let Chip get away with.

It looks like we won't be getting CommKnight lynched today. As such, I may as well UNVOTE: CommKnight. On a side note, it's been four and a half days since CommKnight's last post.

@Mod:

prod please?

As for Uzi, the replacement for Lalendra, it looks like he may have started to contribute by now. That does not change the issue of whether Lalendra's blatant active lurking was motivated by scum, but it does make me no longer consider him a lurker. It does feel a bit mean to lynch him over the actions of his previous incarnation which he can't do anything about.

That said, mafia is about who is scum and not about what is mean. Between Chip and Lalendra, I think that Lalendra's lurking is more indicative of being scum than Chip is. Moreover, with scumking CommKnight having pushed hard for the Chip wagon, I'm kind of sceptical of it. Thus, for now, I'll compromise VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert.

Lurking isn’t alignment indicative but I’m going to partly put to that the side for a bit. Why is dealing with situations in an aggressive way more likely to come from town than scum? I think it would be more helpful if you explored why Chip’s behavior is argumentative or hostile and determine if said behavior is genuine and what motivation behind it if any.

[Chip Butty]

I do not accept I was role fishing I was simply asking a fish if they'd be willing to jump out of the water. I had no intention of throwing my hook into the water if she said no.

This just sounds like semantics.

Texcat had free choice of role. She had the freedom to choose absolutely any role on the list without worry that someone else may take the role. As a result, she could choose whichever role she thought was the strongest.

Hence she potentially has the strongest and most valuable role in the game.

Fake claiming as something either less useful or potentially damaging for the mafia if they were to target her could prevent them from doing so. Personally,

I would consider the act of fake claiming as a little selfish

since there are the dangers of someone CC and it would divert the kill to someone else but I put the option there for if she wanted to take it.

Either way, starting a conversation about her role is anti-town, to me. If she has the strongest and most valuable role in the game, why bring attention to it? You said it might benefit town to know what it was, but it also benefits scum. And then you say fake-claiming would be selfish, but by bringing up the topic of her claim (whether you think it was role-fishing or not is irrelevant), you are leading to one or the other of those eventualities. If she indicates she doesn't want to claim, you have still cast a spotlight on her, turning her into lynchbait if she is town, and thereby potentially losing one of our biggest assets.

This admittedly is a bit sus. It's as if L knows for sure texcat is town. But since i think there is plenty of room for doubt about that conclusion, it might have just been an unacknowledged assumption by L.